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Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:01 pm**

CanesSkins26 wrote:

If GW gets the nod then Saunders will go. GW certainly has more merit than him. That Snyder has not interviewed Saunders speaks for itself. You talk to the guys you trust BEFORE seeking someone from the outside. It´s called protocol and it seems to me Snyder is doing it on purpose to send the message to Saunders that he definetly is not happy with the offense.

Again, this came from JLC and his notorious "several league sources". Rolling Eyes Whatever.

I think most here believe it was Gibbs holding Saunders back and the way Al wants to run his offense. To justify that, all you have to do is review about 5 years worth of film from Al's tenure with the Chiefs.

Some here seem to have forgotten that both Williams and Saunders were hand selected by Gibbs himself, not Snyder. Even though Snyder is conducting the interviews, for the purposes of due diligence and the Rooney Rule, you can be assured that Gibbs is still leading this organization at this point. Since Joe's return, all he's preached for this organization is stability and continuity. Snyder isn't going to do spit without Joe's approval right now.

And believing as fact, the conjecture and speculation the media spits out right now is just stupid. Chris Mortensen is the only member of the media that garners any credibility in my opinion. The rest of em' are just drama queens trying to stir up a story and continuing to directly and indirectly take more shots at Snyder.

Having some issues with the quote function? The above quote that you attributed to me was actually written by El Mexican, not me or JLC.

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:26 am**

CanesSkins26 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:

If GW gets the nod then Saunders will go. GW certainly has more merit than him. That Snyder has not interviewed Saunders speaks for itself. You talk to the guys you trust BEFORE seeking someone from the outside. It´s called protocol and it seems to me Snyder is doing it on purpose to send the message to Saunders that he definetly is not happy with the offense.

Again, this came from JLC and his notorious "several league sources". Rolling Eyes Whatever.

I think most here believe it was Gibbs holding Saunders back and the way Al wants to run his offense. To justify that, all you have to do is review about 5 years worth of film from Al's tenure with the Chiefs.

Some here seem to have forgotten that both Williams and Saunders were hand selected by Gibbs himself, not Snyder. Even though Snyder is conducting the interviews, for the purposes of due diligence and the Rooney Rule, you can be assured that Gibbs is still leading this organization at this point. Since Joe's return, all he's preached for this organization is stability and continuity. Snyder isn't going to do spit without Joe's approval right now.

And believing as fact, the conjecture and speculation the media spits out right now is just stupid. Chris Mortensen is the only member of the media that garners any credibility in my opinion. The rest of em' are just drama queens trying to stir up a story and continuing to directly and indirectly take more shots at Snyder.

Having some issues with the quote function? The above quote that you attributed to me was actually written by El Mexican, not me or JLC.

Yes, yes, my quote button always seems to want to jump all over your posts, not sure why.

I stand corrected, but the point remains the same.

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:15 am**

Yes, actually. Snyder has to respect the Washington Post in the same way one has to respect a brawling mob -- because the Washington Post is the first to try to incite the mob when things are not going well for the Redskins. If that angry mob is your customer base, and if as the owner you are a fan too, then you have to pay attention.

I hate the Post because, to use Kornheiser's words, they "beat the drum" for all of the major decisions Snyder made since he got here -- and then they turned on him like a pack of wolves when the Redskins did not win.

Snyder DOES NOT have a need to "respect" the Post... in fact, the reason the Post hates him is precisely because he figuratively flips them off on a regular basis... If YOU figured out what you have about the Post, don't you think most of the rest of the fan base has come to similar conclusions? Jenkins is a petulant know nothing. The Post is loaded with bitter self-important pseudointellectuals... Snyder has their number. Let the Post try to stir us up... most of us will just find it pretty amusing...

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:24 am**

Countertrey wrote:
Yes, actually. Snyder has to respect the Washington Post in the same way one has to respect a brawling mob -- because the Washington Post is the first to try to incite the mob when things are not going well for the Redskins. If that angry mob is your customer base, and if as the owner you are a fan too, then you have to pay attention.

I hate the Post because, to use Kornheiser's words, they "beat the drum" for all of the major decisions Snyder made since he got here -- and then they turned on him like a pack of wolves when the Redskins did not win.

Snyder DOES NOT have a need to "respect" the Post... in fact, the reason the Post hates him is precisely because he figuratively flips them off on a regular basis... If YOU figured out what you have about the Post, don't you think most of the rest of the fan base has come to similar conclusions? Jenkins is a petulant know nothing. The Post is loaded with bitter self-important pseudointellectuals... Snyder has their number. Let the Post try to stir us up... most of us will just find it pretty amusing...

Thank you, Countertrey. What he said. The Post is full of disgruntled sports writers and I give no credence, whatsoever, to anything the Post writes about the Skins.

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:51 am**

^^^^ thank you also - I doubt that Snyder reads the post and I would be even more surprised if anyone who works for or is associated with The Washington Redskins would even use the words "Washington Post" in reference to the team in the vicinity of Snyder.

most here at THN know the "official" position that this paper has with our team and I am surprised that there are posters here, who should know better, even referring to this rag's articles.

There are 2 "sources" that carry no weight with regards to our team - SI and the Washington Post - IMO we should not allow links to these sites, please understand, that is just my opinion - I try to never go to either site, and, when someone quotes an opinion from that site I know that person is really ignorant and needs help sourcing real information about our team. :wink:

I think it is very clear that the Washington Post has no person, that it pays, that has any real idea of what is going on at Redskins Park and with our team AND it is really stupid if anyone thinks that Snyder would even consider any opinions expressed by this rag.

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:26 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:^^^^ thank you also - I doubt that Snyder reads the post and I would be even more surprised if anyone who works for or is associated with The Washington Redskins would even use the words "Washington Post" in reference to the team in the vicinity of Snyder.

Animosity is a two-way avenue. There is hardly an innocent party. There is hardly a victim. A fight, like a tango, takes two to dance to.

Both parties have done their best to either harm or keep putting down the other. Not an example of decent public relations on BOTH sides if anybody asks me. It is a lose-lose proposition for both parties.

Nobody I know of has ever come with clean hands or clean of bruises in a fight like this one. VERY STUPID and very BAD BUSINESS on both sides of the fight. ](*,)

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:44 pm**

Oh yes Nanook! I totally agree - I used to enjoy living in Annapolis (1971-1982) and getting my Redskins' news from the Post - Snyder is probably more to blame for this BUT that being said I do not think that the current situation is being looked at objectively if even intelligently by this paper.

Snyder would do himself a huge favor if he were to show that he has benefited from his association with Gibbs BUT even if he does everything "right" here this rift is going to be very difficult to repair.

I still think that Snyder most likely does not read or listen to anything that comes from this rag or it's so called "writers". :lol:

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:10 pm**

Posted at 4:03 PM ET, 01/14/2008
Caldwell, Meeks Will Interview

Jason Reid just phoned in a little coaching news:

The Washington Redskins will interview Indianapolis Colts assistant coaches Jim Caldwell and Ron Meeks for their head coaching vacancy, possibly as early as Tuesday. Colts president Bill Polian confirmed today that the Redskins have asked for and were granted permission to interview both of Coach Tony Dungy's top assistants.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:03 pm**

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Posted at 4:03 PM ET, 01/14/2008
Caldwell, Meeks Will Interview

The Washington Redskins will interview Indianapolis Colts assistant coaches Jim Caldwell and Ron Meeks for their head coaching vacancy, possibly as early as Tuesday.

This news is being reported out of Indianapolis as well. This bodes well for us. The process is in high gear.

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:20 pm**

There is no way Greg Williams doesn't get the job. I would bet my life on it.

I will also bet my life that he is fired after one flop of a year.

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:32 pm**

Riggmonkman wrote:There is no way Greg Williams doesn't get the job. I would bet my life on it.

I will also bet my life that he is fired after one flop of a year.

You know what they say, never bet more than you can afford to lose. :-#

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:36 pm**

Riggmonkman wrote:There is no way Greg Williams doesn't get the job. I would bet my life on it.

I will also bet my life that he is fired after one flop of a year.

The value -- and longevity -- of an NFL coach is often predicated on the outcome of his last game.

Has not Tom Coughlin's stock climbed exponentially in New York in the last 24 hours ... and Wade Phillips' plummeted in Dallas? So it will go with just about anyone who coaches the Skins. I say "just about" because Joe Gibbs was in a distinct class, called the Hall of Fame.

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:57 pm**

Countertrey wrote:Snyder DOES NOT have a need to "respect" the Post... in fact, the reason the Post hates him is precisely because he figuratively flips them off on a regular basis... If YOU figured out what you have about the Post, don't you think most of the rest of the fan base has come to similar conclusions? Jenkins is a petulant know nothing. The Post is loaded with bitter self-important pseudointellectuals... Snyder has their number. Let the Post try to stir us up... most of us will just find it pretty amusing...

Snyder needs to respect the power of the press, which in this case includes the Washington Post. Diehard fans might discount what the WP publishes, but how many fans are that well informed? How many are influenced by what they read in the WP? Is it pure coincidence that every time the WP has beat the drum for a coaching change, the change has come to pass -- and with the overwhelming support of the fan base? Was the WP telling people what they already wanted to hear? Or was it shaping opinion? If everyone discount what they read in the WP, why are there so many comments on this message board that are critical of Snyder, that suggest that he is impatient, that claim that he is too stubborn to hire a GM, and that buy into the idea that he has not forsaken his meddlesome ways? Where do those impressions come from if not from the WP and the national media outlets that regurgitate what the WP reports?

This goes beyond the Redskins fan base. Every time Snyder wants to hire someone, the pool of candidates is going to have an impression of the Redskins organization. That impression is created, in part, by the local and national media. A false impression can easily become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

The Snyder spat with the WP hurts the organization. Period. And I do not see how he can repair the damage. The WP seems prone to attack him no matter what he does, and I am not sure why.

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:04 pm**

Snyder needs to respect the power of the press, which in this case includes the Washington Post.

Wrong on two counts... Snyder doesn't NEED to do anything, and The WP wonks are hardly real press...

:wink:

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:16 pm**

Right on Countertrey - although Snout was correct about Snyder and the press the fact that the Washington Post sports section has lost so much credibility with the national sports media means that Snyder can treat them anyway he wants to and not lose anything - the sports section at the post needs to re-establish it's long lost credibility for sports reporting before it attempts to try and persuade anybody that it has any idea about what is happening in DC sports :lol:

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:31 pm**

Riggmonkman wrote:There is no way Greg Williams doesn't get the job. I would bet my life on it.

I will also bet my life that he is fired after one flop of a year.

Dead man walking

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:18 pm**

The good money is on Williams, but I wouldn't bet my life on anything related to Redskins front office decisions :wink:

If he hires Williams, and Saunders stays and is given unfettered responsibility for the offense, the Redskins are likely to have a good year coming.

However, if Williams gets rid of Saunders, brings in a new offensive system and hands the ball back to Campbell, it's liable to be a repeat of 2007 minus the 4 game winning streak that got us to the playoffs....i.e. 6-10 or 5-11

If Synder hires a HC from outside, Williams will leave, Saunders may be axed, and we may be starting over from scratch, and who knows what might happen.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:16 pm**

RayNAustin wrote:The good money is on Williams, but I wouldn't bet my life on anything related to Redskins front office decisions

If he hires Williams, and Saunders stays and is given unfettered responsibility for the offense, the Redskins are likely to have a good year coming.

However, if Williams gets rid of Saunders, brings in a new offensive system and hands the ball back to Campbell, it's liable to be a repeat of 2007 minus the 4 game winning streak that got us to the playoffs....i.e. 6-10 or 5-11

If Synder hires a HC from outside, Williams will leave, Saunders may be axed, and we may be starting over from scratch, and who knows what might happen.

great assessment... i completely agree

I also think Williams might get a one or 2 yr try while Snyder tries to find someone he really likes

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:24 pm**

I also think Williams might get a one or 2 yr try while Snyder tries to find someone he really likes

I was talking to a buddy of mine about the next HC and he is pretty much convinced that GW is going to get the job and be on a 1 year trial. He thinks that if GW doesn't do the type of job that Snyder expects that he will be gone and the Skins will then make a hard push for Cowher next season when he has said he will consider coaching again. I'm not sure if I agree, but with the Skins front office it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:48 pm**

Most of us have been thinking that Williams will be the next HC and that Saunders will most likely be the OC - given that, we also would expect that everyone is on a very short leash - if this team does not look like it is getting better then all the talk of continuity will cease and change (both players and coaches) will be here, big time.

We all have been somewhat assured and encouraged by both Gibbs (as he was leaving) and Snyder that continuity would be important for the players and coaches alike - but no matter who the coach is and who the OC and DC are, IF this team does not do well this season, the HC will be gone and quickly.

Lets assume Williams wants to be the HC BUT he is not happy about Saunders - if he keeps Saunders, to get the job and the offense is not as good as expected, Williams will and should lose his job - it happened on his watch.

The HC of the Washington Redskins will be and should be held to a higher standard - this is not the stupid Eagles or the NY Giants - this is the Washington Redskins where Lombardi and Gibbs were coaches - we deserve the best and anyone that gets to be our HC better do everything he can to be the best.

We are a playoff team, next year we should be in the playoffs again.

HAIL

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:07 pm**

Players seem fine with Williams, I wonder what's gonna happen.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:03 am**

Who Should Coach the Redskins? LB Marcus Washington Weighs In
Last Edited: Tuesday, 15 Jan 2008, 4:21 PM MST
By JOSINA ANDERSON, FOX 31 Sports

DENVER - The Washington Redskins have yet to announce a replacement for former Head Coach Joe Gibbs ever since he announced his resignation last week.

It is being reported that assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams was interviewed for the vacancy, and that Williams has strong support from players and many within the organization.

Today, in a phone conversation I caught up with linebacker Marcus Washington for an inside opinion on who should fill the seat.

Josina: So what is the latest at Redskins Park?

Marcus: We are kind of head coach-less right now. Most of the guys kind of want Gregg Williams to be the guy just because we are used to Gregg, and he is used to us. We are really close to where we want to be as a football team. I think the less change we can have the better.

Josina: So would you not be receptive to a hot-shot candidate like Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett who is interviewing with your beltway buddies-the Ravens?

Marcus: I just think we need to keep things the same. I don’t think Jason [Campbell] and those guys would be too excited about having to learn about a whole new offense….I think some things are starting to click…and I think the less change the better.

Josina: How much is the organization seeking the input of its players on this hiring decision?

Marcus: I actually went and talk to [Daniel] Snyder and expressed my opinion. I am sure some of the guys went and did the same thing. I think it is important that you know how guys feel…hopefully take our opinions into account.

Josina: Was Snyder receptive to your feedback?

Marcus: Yeah, I definitely think so. He definitely expressed to me it’s a process. I understand that there are a lot of coaches that they have to interview. It would just be nice to have coach Williams get in there so we can go ahead with our off season, and get ready to make a run again.

Josina: So when you talk to Snyder how does that work? Do you call him on his cell? Does he call you on your cell, or do you just walk into his office and demand his attention-just kidding?

Marcus: I would say that Snyder is good about having an open door policy. If you need to say anything to him you know his door is open to you. He should be commended for that. I think it’s cool that a player can come by and talk anytime you need to.

Josina: When you talk to Snyder about your feelings about the Head Coach vacancy at this time, how did you communicate?

Marcus: I was just in the building and I stopped by to kind of talk with him about it.

Link

I'd also like to add... I strongly believe Williams will get the job. He has been through 4 interviews with Snyder to date. Most speculate they are discussing possible staff changes or additions, which, IMO, does not include Saunders, as I believe Al will stay.

That said, I have no problem with all the interviews Dan is conducting right now. He will be asking these candidates a ton of questions and could really benefit from the answers and opinions these coaches will be providing. Dan will learn a lot from this process, which can't be considered a bad thing.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:05 pm**

WFAN in New York is reporting rumors about Dick Vermeil being considered for the head coach job. Saunders (KC) connection, but Williams would surely leave.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:28 pm**

A point of interest about IF Williams is the HC - no player at any position will be a "starter", every player will earn his way onto the team - Williams does not believe in the notion that a "starter" is better - they all have their roles to play and while at the start of the season there may be a QB getting more reps - that QB will have earned those reps and his name and draft position will mean nothing to Williams - Williams is a different type of leader and I hope he gets the job.

Gibbs was loyal to his players, Williams is loyal only to those who are playing and practicing well - he will instill leadership in his players by example and there will be no more players saying how they want to practice or play - there will be no more discussion about what players want to do during the off-season - this guy will take our team to the next level.

IF Williams is our HC I predict a much tougher team next season. Taylor was his favorite player and these guys had better get ready to play some very tough football.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:21 pm**

A point of interest about IF Williams is the HC - no player at any position will be a "starter", every player will earn his way onto the team - Williams does not believe in the notion that a "starter" is better - they all have their roles to play and while at the start of the season there may be a QB getting more reps - that QB will have earned those reps and his name and draft position will mean nothing to Williams - Williams is a different type of leader and I hope he gets the job.

Warrick Holdman might disagree with you.

It'll be interesting to see how GW handles being a head coach in his second tenure. It's a lot easier to be a tough as a coordinator than it is as a head coach. I'm not sure how guys like Portis, Moss, Cool

ey, JC, etc. would handle GW ripping into them on the sidelines the way he has his defensive players at time. I would hope that GW would also leave most of the offensive decisions to Al Saunders or whoever his OC is.

One of the things that led to him losing his team in Buffalo was him being overly tough and taking a my way or the highway approach. I remember reading that he had a horn (or bell...something along those lines) inside the practice facility that he used to get the players attention. That kind of stuff isn't going to fly in today's NFL. Hopefully what he has learned from Gibbs how to handle a team. The players do seem to like him so that's a good sign that he has learned from his past mistakes in Buffalo.

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