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BnGhog wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Says who? There is no guarantee that Saunders stays here if GW gets the HC job. You have no idea what the relationship is between Saunders and GW. You also have no idea how Saunders will react to not getting the HC job.

I think this is why Gibbs is sticking around, to kind of smooth things over. He is the voice of reason.

But Gibbs did also say in the press conference that Snyder has to decide and pick a HC that he feels good about leading this team.

my opinion is this... sign up GW as head coach. Give Saunders a raise and extension. I mean, Snyder will spend the money if it means making his team better. i know that AS already makes a boatload of cash, but pile some more on just to keep the peace for not giving him the HC position. now, the coaches are happy, the players are happy, and we do not have all of this turnaround for our young QB. i like what i saw of saunders offense when ran properly. i want to see campbell running that for the next 5 years.

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Belichick did nothing with the Browns. In the 5 years he coached the Browns they had 4 losing seasons

Um he did go 11-5 in in 1994 with the Browns. When was the last time that the Skins finished 11-5? I believe 1991 was the last time that we had a record that was that good.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

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Belichick did nothing with the Browns. In the 5 years he coached the Browns they had 4 losing seasons

Um he did go 11-5 in in 1994 with the Browns. When was the last time that the Skins finished 11-5? I believe 1991 was the last time that we had a record that was that good.

What does 11-5 do for you when you have 4 losing seasons in 5 years?

If you listened to Gibbs today, you'll know that he will still be steering the ship in Washington. I'm sure he has already spoken to GW, AS and the rest of the staff and they all know what's going to happen.

If Cowher came in, he'd want full control, as he's said before. Both GW and AS would most likely leave. Gibbs would never allow that after what he has accomplished here and with the direction he's given this organization. The players would be pissed (see JLC's blog from today) and that's all Campbell needs, to learn another system... again. I guarantee that won't happen under Gibbs watch, and Gibbs said today he plan to stick around for a long time. That doesn't happen if Dan were planning to bring in Cowher.

jeremyroyce wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

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Belichick did nothing with the Browns. In the 5 years he coached the Browns they had 4 losing seasons

Um he did go 11-5 in in 1994 with the Browns. When was the last time that the Skins finished 11-5? I believe 1991 was the last time that we had a record that was that good.

What does 11-5 do for you when you have 4 losing seasons in 5 years?

It gets Belichick a big pay raise!

SkinsFreak wrote:If you listened to Gibbs today, you'll know that he will still be steering the ship in Washington. I'm sure he has already spoken to GW, AS and the rest of the staff and they all know what's going to happen.

If Cowher came in, he'd want full control, as he's said before. Both GW and AS would most likely leave. Gibbs would never allow that after what he has accomplished here and with the direction he's given this organization. The players would be pissed (see JLC's blog from today) and that's all Campbell needs, to learn another system... again. I guarantee that won't happen under Gibbs watch, and Gibbs said today he plan to stick around for a long time. That doesn't happen if Dan were planning to bring in Cowher.

Gibbs would never allow Dan Snyder to have a coach that he did not want to coach this team. Dan Snyder needs to make the decision of what is best for the Redskins and whatever Dan Snyder decideds Joe Gibbs will back him up

BnGhog wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

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Belichick did nothing with the Browns. In the 5 years he coached the Browns they had 4 losing seasons

Um he did go 11-5 in in 1994 with the Browns. When was the last time that the Skins finished 11-5? I believe 1991 was the last time that we had a record that was that good.

What does 11-5 do for you when you have 4 losing seasons in 5 years?

It gets Belichick a big pay raise!

Sure thats all dandy but how about an asterick next to his name? It also did nothing for the Browns team.

Hey CanesSkins26... do you really think that a whole new coaching staff and a whole new system, on both sides of the ball, is really what this team needs right now?

For someone that can't let the past go, that would make 5 coaches and 5 schemes in a decade for this organization, which is what this team has been so heavily criticized for during those years. Do you not understand or comprehend the importance of continuity? Do you really think that is what the players would want right now?

jeremyroyce wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:If you listened to Gibbs today, you'll know that he will still be steering the ship in Washington. I'm sure he has already spoken to GW, AS and the rest of the staff and they all know what's going to happen.

If Cowher came in, he'd want full control, as he's said before. Both GW and AS would most likely leave. Gibbs would never allow that after what he has accomplished here and with the direction he's given this organization. The players would be pissed (see JLC's blog from today) and that's all Campbell needs, to learn another system... again. I guarantee that won't happen under Gibbs watch, and Gibbs said today he plan to stick around for a long time. That doesn't happen if Dan were planning to bring in Cowher.

Gibbs would never allow Dan Snyder to have a coach that he did not want to coach this team. Dan Snyder needs to make the decision of what is best for the Redskins and whatever Dan Snyder decideds Joe Gibbs will back him up

No offense, but I think you've got that backwards. Since Joe's return, Snyder has done whatever Joe has wanted. Did you even listen to the press conference today? Gibbs will be sticking around for quite a while and will be an adviser to Snyder. That pretty much means Dan will do whatever Joe wants him to do. Bet on it. And that includes the decision for the next head coach.

SkinsFreak wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:If you listened to Gibbs today, you'll know that he will still be steering the ship in Washington. I'm sure he has already spoken to GW, AS and the rest of the staff and they all know what's going to happen.

If Cowher came in, he'd want full control, as he's said before. Both GW and AS would most likely leave. Gibbs would never allow that after what he has accomplished here and with the direction he's given this organization. The players would be pissed (see JLC's blog from today) and that's all Campbell needs, to learn another system... again. I guarantee that won't happen under Gibbs watch, and Gibbs said today he plan to stick around for a long time. That doesn't happen if Dan were planning to bring in Cowher.

Gibbs would never allow Dan Snyder to have a coach that he did not want to coach this team. Dan Snyder needs to make the decision of what is best for the Redskins and whatever Dan Snyder decideds Joe Gibbs will back him up

No offense, but I think you've got that backwards. Since Joe's return, Snyder has done whatever Joe has wanted. Did you even listen to the press conference today? Gibbs will be sticking around for quite a while and will be an adviser to Snyder. That pretty much means Dan will do whatever Joe wants him to do. Bet on it.

Yes I did listen to the press conference. And I know Joe Gibbs is not going to have Dan Snyder hire someone that he doesn't want coaching the team. If you owned a team and you did not want someone coaching your team because you felt in you heart and mind that it was not the right decision, would you do it? I know I wouldn't

I guarantee they (Gibbs & Dan) already have their plan in place, and you can bet that Gibbs orchestrated that plan.

SkinsFreak wrote:I guarantee they (Gibbs & Dan) already have their plan in place, and you can bet that Gibbs orchestrated that plan.

They may have a plan is place, and it may not include GW or AL

SkinsFreak wrote:Hey CanesSkins26... do you really think that a whole new coaching staff and a whole new system, on both sides of the ball, is really what this team needs right now?

For someone that can't let the past go, that would make 5 coaches and 5 schemes in a decade for this organization, which is what this team has been so heavily criticized for during those years. Do you not understand or comprehend the importance of continuity? Do you really think that is what the players would want right now?

Yes continuity is important. But so is hiring a good head coach. And I don't think that GW is going to be a successful head coach for the Skins. I think that the team will get worse, not better under his control. I'm sorry but I don't want a guy as head coach who lobbies to sign a player (Archuletta) and then doesn't talk to him the rest of the season.

I would prefer to get a guy like Russ Grimm, an up and coming talented head coach who wouldn't blow things up and start from scratch. This would allow us to keep some stability and also bring in a talented head coach.

Also everyone is talking about continuity but now that Gibbs is gone there are question marks about a lot of coaches staying (Breaux, Bugel) even if GW gets the job. There are coaches that I can't imagine staying here now that Gibbs is gone so speaking of continuity is a somewhat misleading since it is likely that not all of the coaches will be back even if GW gets the job.

CanesSkins26 wrote:...go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.

this is simply completely wrong, and MUST be corrected:

2001:
buffalo ranked 7th in the league in passing attempts, and 12th in passing yardage (compared to 26th in rushing attempts and 22nd in rushing yardage).

but apparently that wasn't imbalanced in favor of the pass enough, because he replaced the offensive coordinator with kevin gilbride, known for coordinating the pass-wacky "Run and Shoot" offense of the early 90's Oilers.

so in 2002:
buffalo ranked 3rd in passing attempts, 5th in passing yards (compared to 29th in rushing attempts and 24th in rushing yards).

during that season,

Giants.com's Gilbride bio wrote:the Bills set seven offensive team records, including most net passing yards (3,995). Quarterback Drew Bledsoe set 10 team records. That year, Buffalo had the fifth-best passing offense in the NFL and was 11th overall while averaging 23.7 points, 22.2 first downs, and 349.4 yards per game. That offense featured the franchise’s first 4,000-yard passer in Bledsoe, two 1,200-yard receivers (Eric Moulds and Peerless Price) and a 1,400-yard rusher (Travis Henry).

http://www.giants.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=5

2003:
the bills 2nd ranked defense (which snagged a ridiculous 30 interceptions) was wasted, as the offense fell victim to the lethal combination of a horrid o-line and the irreconcilable immobility of drew bledsoe, who was sacked a staggering 49 times. yet they still attempted 502 passes to 427 runs.

It's hard to say much about the resignation. It is a sad loss for Redskin fans, but we don't own Joe Gibbs. He gave us a lot of enjoyable games, great teams, a human example that you don't see often in sports, and he gave at least 18 hours a day of his energy.

I wish Gibbs could have coached the Redskins forever, but that's selfish. A few weeks ago, he said something like: when you come to the end of your life, will you wish that you had coached a few more football games?

That says it.

It's not like Bellichick is the bottom of the statistical allowance, either. Why should we think that any coach who didn't do as well as Bellichik did with the browns is doomed to failure? Doesn't seem very sensible to me. Just because it can be argued that Bellichick had a more successful career with the Browns than Williams had with Buffalo tells us virtually nothing about whether Williams could make a successful coach in Washington.

It's enough to show that not all great head coaches are great right from the start. And Bellichick's first tenure with the Browns, 11-5 season or not, was not a success.

welch wrote:It's hard to say much about the resignation. It is a sad loss for Redskin fans, but we don't own Joe Gibbs. He gave us a lot of enjoyable games, great teams, a human example that you don't see often in sports, and he gave at least 18 hours a day of his energy.

I wish Gibbs could have coached the Redskins forever, but that's selfish. A few weeks ago, he said something like: when you come to the end of your life, will you wish that you had coached a few more football games?

That says it.

It is indeed a sad day , but is also a new beginning for GIbbs.
He is getting to the latter stages of his life. I feel Gibbs is doing whats best for him and his family.

I just wish he could stay on as GM. But, that too is selfish on my part. Whatever is best for him.

Thank You Joe Gibbs for the ups and downs, there is never a dull moment in Redskins land. Best wishes to Gibbs.

welch wrote:It's hard to say much about the resignation. It is a sad loss for Redskin fans, but we don't own Joe Gibbs. He gave us a lot of enjoyable games, great teams, a human example that you don't see often in sports, and he gave at least 18 hours a day of his energy.

I wish Gibbs could have coached the Redskins forever, but that's selfish. A few weeks ago, he said something like: when you come to the end of your life, will you wish that you had coached a few more football games?

That says it.

It is indeed a sad day , but is also a new beginning for GIbbs.
He is getting to the latter stages of his life. I feel Gibbs is doing whats best for him and his family.

I just wish he could stay on as GM. But, that too is selfish on my part. Whatever is best for him.

Thank You Joe Gibbs for the ups and downs, there is never a dull moment in Redskins land. Best wishes to Gibbs.

Wow, I was just checking to see if there was any player news only to find that Gibbs has resigned. I can't believe it...

Sorry to see Joe go, i think that one more year may have been all we needed but he has always done us proud, good luck with the Family, Nascar and anything else and thanks for all you have done here.

At least he beat the Cowboys one last time thats always good

HAIL JOE !!!

The Press Conference was a nice goodbye and thanks but nothing else really.

As usual, Joe kept all the cards next to his chest. Once Gibbs, always Gibbs.

The one note that stroke high in my head was the fact that LIKE MANY OF US, Joe really thought we would win against Seattle. We should have won. That series after the second TD when Mix got the ball after the punt was the key.

Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda ... It is all history now. It is going to take me a while to gain some composure. Sorry guys.

Not a bad time to open one of the bottles for a real sample of the "water of life". It brings up the philosopher in me.

ANT7088 wrote:

Joe Gibbs will resign as coach and team president of the Washington Redskins, the Associated Press has learned.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3186165

I was actually suprised by this news.
I thought for sure Gibbs would finish his last season this year then retire.
I LOVE Joe Gibbs and respect his decision.
I believe Gregg Williams will become the new head coach.
No matter what happens, Gibbs is watching over us.
And that can't be all bad.......

die cowboys die has some interesting and very valid statistics on Williams tenure in Buffalo. But numbers do not tell the entire story. Williams main problem in Buffalo was that he did not know how to interact with his players and they revolted and quit on him. His tenure in Washington seems to be better, the players are supportive of him. He has obvioulsy won ther respect enough for that. One can assume that he learned from Gibbs.

If Williams and Saunders could work together with one of them being the HC, I think it would be a really interesting situation. When Campbell got hurt and Collins took over, we saw Saunders offense as it should be run. I am not slamming Campbell or promoting Collins either. Campbell just did not have enough functional knowledge of the system to run it effectively yet. Knowing how something should be done by the book is not the same as actually doing it. Maybe with another off season, Campbell will. Williams defense went bad when Pierce left. It is dependent on having a defensive quarterback who understands it, just like Saunders offense. Fletcher now fills that gap and runs the defense very effectively.

I would truly like to see Saunders offense and Williams defense run effectively on the same team. It could be awesome.

SkinFan63 wrote:I was actually suprised by this news.
I thought for sure Gibbs would finish his last season this year then retire.

The news didn't make me sad nor did it surprise me, once he was offered the extention. He said he would stay the 5 years that he signed to be here, and then see what was what. Then they started talking about the effects a "lame duck" coach has on his team, he said five years and it was starting to look like seven. Now he won't be a "lame duck" coach and the team won't be worried about being coached by one.

SkinFan63 wrote:I LOVE Joe Gibbs and respect his decision.

Me too

SkinFan63 wrote:I believe Gregg Williams will become the new head coach.

The players all seem to want him to be. I wouldn't mind seeing Saunders at the helm

SkinFan63 wrote:No matter what happens, Gibbs is watching over us.
And that can't be all bad.......

He'll be a advisor to "the Danny" I'll take that, as long as he can continue to keep him locked away.