Chris Luva Luva wrote:If the Redskins were good enough to NOT beat themselves, they wouldn't be in position to get screwed by the refs.
Stop giving those lame ducks excuses, they blew the game, not the refs. The offense didn't deserve to win the game and sadly they lost it for the entire team.
I didn't blame the loss on the refs. In fact, I said that bad calls went both ways. I even mentioned the TD pass Favre threw, but mistakenly attributed the force out to CR instead of Smoot. The point I was making is that the NFL needs to do something about the poor level of officiating overall. Read my entire post and you will see that I said this was the Skins game to lose.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
This team makes the same mistakes year after year. Until they learn to 1) catch 2) hold on to the ball 3) go past the marker on third down and 4) run a two-minute drill we will continue to lose these games and be nothing better than an also ran. Meanwhile, the Giants, Eagles and Cowpukes learn from their mistakes and get better.
the simple fact that a rainy day can affect us this much on offense is sad.. I dont blame the lose to weather but it definetly seemed to have an affect.. why in the world wouldnt we be practicing with wet balls this week.. regardless of if the weather report predicted sunny weather.. you have to know going into Green Bay in mid october that its not gonna be 80 degrees and sunny.. our team had been spoiled with near perfect weather all season long and when we finally were put in a game that the elements were anything but perfect we were not able to perform
SKINFAN wrote:JC "almost prefers it"... I wish his recievers felt the same way.
Lesson learned the hard way: We need to rest the hurting and play the guys we brought in to play.
agreed.. next week we need to sit Moss( not cause of poor play but injury) sit Portis .. sit Randle El.. sit Rabach .. and sit anyone else that is hurt... we are at home and up against a team that is beatable.. not saying its a gimme because thats never true in any game in the NFL but its winnable and we need to get these guys healthy if we stand any kind of a chance against NE
SKINFAN wrote:But they could also get worse and worse....
I guess the glass could be half empty, its just all in how you look at it.
SKINFAN wrote: We get a great game one week, then a meltdown the next...
Different teams, complete different D. Just look at the Lion D vs Packs D.
We played like crap. To sit here and say that, and the fact we were still in it and had a chance to win in the 4th, is just to say how good our team is.
Most teams play like crap and the game is over in 1st but we were still in it while playing like crap against on of the best teams in the NFC right now.
This was the worst we looked the entire season(except for the second half against the Giants) and we only lost by field goal. It could be a lot worse.
while we are at it... do we know if the team owns i believe there called Jugg machines( could be wrong) because if we do they arent used ..but either way we need to invest in a few of those and put all of our recievers and defensive backs in front of them each day in practice this week catching something like 100 balls a day
for what its worth, warner is out for sunday. tim rattay will most likely start, as he was just signed this past week. considering what we have done to the top two passing offenses in detroit and green bay, and what we did to mcnabb... i just cant see zona scoring a point with rattay at the helm who doesnt even know the playbook yet
joedondero1919 wrote:for what its worth, warner is out for sunday. tim rattay will most likely start, as he was just signed this past week. considering what we have done to the top two passing offenses in detroit and green bay, and what we did to mcnabb... i just cant see zona scoring a point with rattay at the helm who doesnt even know the playbook yet
This could be just what our WRs need to get kick started. Moss needs a confidence boost before we play the pats
everydayAskinsday wrote:while we are at it... do we know if the team owns i believe there called Jugg machines( could be wrong) because if we do they arent used ..but either way we need to invest in a few of those and put all of our recievers and defensive backs in front of them each day in practice this week catching something like 100 balls a day
i have played a bit of lower level football (high school and competitive flag)... and the one thing that i know how to do is catch. and there marked one moment when my catching improved dramatically... it was after watching an interview with jerry rice. he said his dad used to throw him bricks to catch. he said, when someone throws a brick at you, you catch it with your hands and fingers (not the body) and you have 100% concentration (nobody wants to get hit with a brick). you go out an get it, clutch it like your life is at stake. it really seems like our players do not have this mentality. forget the jugs machine, i think gibbs should take them to home depot and launch bricks their way. after that, footballs will seem easy. hey, if it worked for jerry rice!
It is Monday, I made it! There is a new day after all.
This is not a Superbowl contender team guys. Too many flaws yet to fix. Too many injuries. Too many cooks. Not enough offensive linemen.
It -might- be a team that gets us excited to -try- to get to the Playoffs and that's it. They will keep us entertained in a few winning games and cursing in about the remaining losses. 50% / 50% Not too bad if you ask me.
Let us get a life.
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
Redskin in Canada wrote:It is Monday, I made it! There is a new day after all.
This is not a Superbowl contender team guys. Too many flaws yet to fix. Too many injuries. Too many cooks. Not enough offensive linemen.
It -might- be a team that gets us excited to -try- to get to the Playoffs and that's it. They will keep us entertained in a few winning games and cursing in about the remaining losses. 50% / 50% Not too bad if you ask me.
Let us get a life.
I didn't expect them to get to the SB this year. Nobody expected the injuries... Next year is where we'll shine. We just need to build a base this year and perfect some things.
Its so funny all the games of the redskins i have watched....cuz the cowboys usually play on national tv or late...so i get redskins game here....so funny...next week im gonna watch the cardinals game after watching the horrible greenbay game.
Redskin in Canada wrote:It is Monday, I made it! There is a new day after all.
This is not a Superbowl contender team guys. Too many flaws yet to fix. Too many injuries. Too many cooks. Not enough offensive linemen.
It -might- be a team that gets us excited to -try- to get to the Playoffs and that's it. They will keep us entertained in a few winning games and cursing in about the remaining losses. 50% / 50% Not too bad if you ask me.
Let us get a life.
There isn't a team in the NFC that's really standing out, so who knows who's going to the Super Bowl for the NFC right now. Every NFC team has shown a fatal flaw or two.
The "objective analysis" of the Redskins difficulties can no longer avoid the criticism of Joe Gibbs. And as much of a fan as I have always been of coach Gibbs, the buck stops there.
Well into the 4th season under Gibbs, the Redskin offense suffers the same problems. Self destruction and failure to make effective half time adjustments is clearly evident, as is the continued errors in clock management and game planning/play calling, and the poor utilization of the talent on this team, offensively.
At the beginning of the season the biggest question mark was JC's maturity and if he would be able to make the next step up. The good news is that he has, and continues to improve in each game. The bad news is that the offense still struggles with fundamentals, allowing opponents to hang around with opportunities to win late.
Much of this difficulty continues to be in poor second half performances as was illustrated in the NY and GB games. After dominating in the first half of both of these losses, the offense in the second half was completely absent.....or to sum it up.....the offense was completely out coached by opposing defenses when the reverse should have been expected. We are currently averaging less than 7 points per game in the second half, with two shutouts (NY and GB) both losses.
Although the numbers suggest a balanced offensive attack between run and pass, it seems that the Redskin offense is predictable, and they play to "not lose" as opposed to playing to win. And this has been the attitude and the mindset of this offense for the past 4 years.
Each week we hear from Gibbs about how he expects the game to go right down to the wire, and sure enough, they find a way to meet these less than positive expectations. On the other side of the ball, Williams defense has met higher standards, and has performed to meet higher "demands".
Yesterday's loss to GB was an inexcusable loss that should have seen the Redskins winning by three scores. And much of that blame can be placed on S. Moss performance which easily resulted in a 14 point swing, however, to call for getting rid of Moss is an absurd overreaction. Yes, he had a horrible game, but he still remains one of the Redskins best offensive weapons.
And though the offensive line is in a sad state due to injuries, the OL did not lose this ballgame. The game was lost in predictable play calling in the second half, and this "prevent offense" that has become the new Gibbs trademark that refuses to take chances, and is content with playing to avoid mistakes rather than scoring points.
The guessing game that goes on between opposing coaches has as much to do with the outcome of games as does player talent. And predictability is the kiss of death. The Redskin offense is very predictable in the second half.....and opponents are out coaching this Gibbs/Saunders anemic lack of attack resulting in too many 3 and outs, forcing the defense to win each game.
After 4 years of "fighting their guts out", Gibbs still hasn't found the formula for correcting these continuing offensive failures. That's the bottom line here. And until there is a change in attitude and philosophy, the Redskins are going to continue to meet Gibbs "down to the wire" weekly expectations.
And we should expect nothing more from them than missed opportunities and mediocre results.
good post good read... I'm sad to say but I too am starting to see it. I'm just not sure if it's JG himself or ALsaunders, it looked to me like they were both waiting on one another on the last drive. Info flow is Fubar... We need it fixed.
#21 (36) This IS and will always be the High watermark where all new DB's are measured.
SKINFAN wrote:good post good read... I'm sad to say but I too am starting to see it. I'm just not sure if it's JG himself or ALsaunders, it looked to me like they were both waiting on one another on the last drive. Info flow is Fubar... We need it fixed.
Maybe that is the "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem we are seeing on the field.
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." - Dean Wormer
RayNAustin wrote: The game was lost in predictable play calling in the second half, and this "prevent offense" that has become the new Gibbs trademark that refuses to take chances, and is content with playing to avoid mistakes rather than scoring points.
Hmm. This don't seem accurate to me. "Playing to avoid mistakes". The Moss fumble was a reverse, not a run up the gut by Portis.
If we were watching the same game, ya know the Green Bay n Washington game. The plays were working from what I saw. The WRs were getting open. They just droped the ball. This sounds a lot like the analists after the game. Talking about how great Green Bay's D was to hold the Redskins. Im going to say this one time (Its bad enough to here sports writers say it, its even worse comeing from a Skins fan)
GREEN BAY'S D DID NOT STOP US. THE PLAY CALLING DID NOT STOP US.
We stopped ourselves.
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See my "O-Line affects the complete offense" comment. How can so many people not realize that it's not like throwing in a nickle back when you replace at least one lineman in all but one week of your season? There is a gel that isn't there when you swap lineman like school girl crushes. Not only do you have to take into account of your own instincts, but your fellow lineman's as well. You know that your guard is gonna do if he needs help, and he knows what you would do as well. You'll have no idea about the guy who's been to your side for 3 practices. THis affects opening holes, help with pass protection, and it is in the back of JC's mind (I'm sure) that he's got back-ups and new guys out there protecting his backside. It's not even one lineman, it's the majority of the lineman. And it's continuing. Until we can stop getting our line hurt, we will continue to see our offense, ground and air, sputter. There's a reason that big Dockery got that huge contract, and it's not ALL becuase he's overpaid.....
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
SKINFAN wrote:good post good read... I'm sad to say but I too am starting to see it. I'm just not sure if it's JG himself or ALsaunders, it looked to me like they were both waiting on one another on the last drive. Info flow is Fubar... We need it fixed.
Maybe that is the "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem we are seeing on the field.
Nope. Gibbs couldn't manage the clock before Al was here...
SKINFAN wrote:good post good read... I'm sad to say but I too am starting to see it. I'm just not sure if it's JG himself or ALsaunders, it looked to me like they were both waiting on one another on the last drive. Info flow is Fubar... We need it fixed.
Maybe that is the "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem we are seeing on the field.
more like too many cooks in the field, LoL
#21 (36) This IS and will always be the High watermark where all new DB's are measured.
But JG is the head coach, and he is responsible for every element of the game.
I really do believe that were it not for Greg Williams, the Redskins would have one of the worst combined records in the NFL the past 4 years. Look what happened last year when the defense fell off due to injurries; poor play from Archuletta; and Lamar Marshal's inability to be dominant in the middle?
The Redskins would be 1-4 right now without the outstanding performance of the defense thusfar.
Looking forward.....we will be lucky to break 500 this year if the offense continues on the current course.
Somebody needs to get MAD....and I'm about done waiting for that person to be Joe Gibbs.
If 5-11 is the result of "fighting your guts out" each week, then this team is short on guts.
It looks to me like this organization is not capable of getting the two most important elements of the game clicking at the same time, Offense and Defense. The last five games last year had the offense rolling and the defense worn out and tired. Now you got a solid defense game after game and an offense still struggling, IMO, despite three wins.
I think that JG has a total lack of confidence in his offensive players and the offensive coordinator. If Al Saunders is allowed full and total control of the offense all the way down to who is in the game, I think that you would see a totally different offense or at least one that looked like the one last week. The man can call a game and coach offense. Look at his years in KC. They were scoring in bunches weekly but their defense failed them. So why doesn't JG see that and just turn everything completely over to Al? We have a defense now and turning the keys over to Al will not make our defense drop off.
I think that the players feel Gibbs' lack of confidence in them when the second half rolls around. Because he get's conservative with the play calling and mis-manages the clock and the game.
Sean Taylor - 1983-2007 R.I.P.... Forever A Skin.....
Lets not try this with Portis, Ok. 
