Lavar Arrinton.... Merged

[gay4pacman]

Lavar should be playing a lot more especially if hes healthy...There has to be something going on that we dont know about

[The Hogster]

Seems kind of hard to fathom that he hasn't earned his spot, considering Holdman has only averaged 1 tackle per game, and the fafc that GW is notorious for getting all of his players onto the field.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

redeemedskin, do you really feel that Holdman contibuted more to the last few wins then Levar could have? IMO there is no player on defense that has contributed less then Holdman. At the very least Arrington has the potential to be an impact player in every game, Holdman does not.

What about Ade Jimoh?

Ade had a big tackle in the game, and even got his picture in the paper!!!

See?

Caption: Washington Redskins cornerback Ade Jimoh reacts after a third quarter tackle against the Seattle Seahawks, Sunday, Oct. 2, 2005, in Landover, Md. The Redskins won in overtime 20-17. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

[Uaintready]

Holdman hasnt been tested yet, but you can be that other teams see that and are going to take advantage of him. Watch when we play KC and he gets matched up with Gonzalez, he is going to have a field day.

In three games Holdman has recorded 5(TCKL) 3(SOLO)in 3 starts.

Arrington in limited time has recorded 2(TCKL) 2(SOLO).

Just by looking at the numbers I think Arrington deserves a chance. How many times do you hear Holdman's name called on Sunday's for either a tackle or in on a tackle. Have you even seen Holdman blitz the quarterback? NO! If he is on the field to play sound defense then great, but were is the force in the front seven? Every team has a playmaker in the front seven. We have one; however he is warming the bench!!!! Holdman is smaller and slower than Arrington! Teams are going to start running at Holdman; just like Seahawks did in the second half!

[USAFSkinFan]

... If he is on the field to play sound defense then great, but were is the force in the front seven? Every team has a playmaker in the front seven. We have one; however he is warming the bench!!!! ...

I don't think that's fair, I'd definitely put Marcus Washington in the category of playmaker...

[Uaintready]

If you ever played football before or any sport you would understand that when the person in front of you is not even close to your level of play, you will be upset with the fact that your not playin. Especially when all coaches secream we put the best players on the field. Well one of them is not on the field, Lavar is like Ray Lewis he plays with alot emotion, now i would like to see Ray put on the bench for some bum, and ask him if he thinks he is a team player now. Thats almost $70 million being wasted.

They need to be truthfull, they dont think they need him and want to see if they can trade him next year, and also get about 7 million of the cap for it.

Remember last year when Lavar came on sportstalk 980 and said that he physically challenged the trainers and coaching staff to keep him off the practice field with the bad knee ? Then he goes out and makes his injury worst than it was at first. Then in the offseason he complained about not getting any LOVE and began to say that he was rushed back. At the same time he was still complaining about the contract situation. The TEAM does not revolve around Lavar. He has been talking like a spoiled brat (me, me, me, me) while at the same time trying to say that he is a team player. Well now they are not going to RUSH him back. Lavar's biggest problem has been one inch below his nose. If he would just keep his mouth shut all of this stuff will work itself out. You can't dog out the trainers and coaches and then think that everything will be forgotten. He swung first, now they are swinging back. They are teaching him a lesson about LIFE. Just shut up and play.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Lavar is like Ray Lewis he plays with alot emotion...

They play two different positions, and one plays his extremely well, unlike the other. Can you guess who???

[The Hogster]

Leave it up to some of us to find something to be fickle about. Everyone knows that Lavar can play, now he's not in there and we throw him under the bus.

He can contribute major things for this team as long as he buys into the philosophy. Its a difference between not being on the field and not being able to play.

[Uaintready]

Both players strike fear in opposing offenses,the guy who plays in front of Lavar doesnt,and yoi also have to game plan for Lavar, so what can you say to that

Lavar is like Ray Lewis he plays with alot emotion...

They play two different positions, and one plays his extremely well, unlike the other. Can you guess who???

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Lavar is like Ray Lewis he plays with alot emotion...

They play two different positions, and one plays his extremely well, unlike the other. Can you guess who???

Both players strike fear in opposing offenses,the guy who plays in front of Lavar doesnt,and yoi also have to game plan for Lavar, so what can you say to that

If only he'd be a little more malleable and willing to fit into our OWN team's defensive gameplans, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, as they say.

[crazyhorse1]

Why isn't it clear that Holdman is a wash? What's the point in saying he's playing within the system when he's had no virtually no production. He might as well have been sitting on the field, in place, just a body! At least he's been sitting in the right place! What kind of craziness is that! A guy who plays within a system and has no production is still a worthless guy. Stop with the BS already!

[JPFair]

Sooner or later, the coaches are going to have to address the reasons why LaVar isn't playing in more detail. Right now they're just saying that he doesn't fit into any of the packages. But, the more the fans and media start asking why, the more of a distraction it's going to become and the coaches will have to address it in detail.

There's a heck of a lot more to this story than the public are seeing.

[frankcal20]

I personally don't want it to be a distraction and I don't care. If he wants to play he'll get into the office and ask. Jansen just said he hasn't gone in there and asked and he said if he wasn't playing he'd have been in Gibbs' office to find out why. He also said that it is a 100% open door policy.

Everyone just needs to relax. Williams will put him in there when he's needed.

[1niksder]

In three games Holdman has recorded 5(TCKL) 3(SOLO)in 3 starts.

Arrington in limited time has recorded 2(TCKL) 2(SOLO).

Just by looking at the numbers I think Arrington deserves a chance. How many times do you hear Holdman's name called on Sunday's for either a tackle or in on a tackle. Have you even seen Holdman blitz the quarterback? NO! If he is on the field to play sound defense then great, but were is the force in the front seven? Every team has a playmaker in the front seven. We have one; however he is warming the bench!!!! Holdman is smaller and slower than Arrington! Teams are going to start running at Holdman; just like Seahawks did in the second half!

Welcome to the board BW3
Gregg Williams plays a scheme that employs packages of players depending on the situation. This could lower Holdmans numbers but I don't know because I don't see him much. Gibbs and Williams both are saying it's the packages. But everyone in this thread wants to compare what Warrick has done versus what Lavar might...could...would...should do, but no one is asking why Clemons and Killings are in MORE PACKAGES than Lavar.
He's getting less playing time than these guys but some of you want him to replace the starter without knowing what he can do

[Steve Spurrier III]

But everyone in this thread wants to compare what Warrick has done versus what Lavar might...could...would...should do, but no one is asking why Clemons and Killings are in MORE PACKAGES than Lavar.

Are you sure? Because that's what a lot of people have been asking, and as of yet I haven't heard an explanation that makes a lot of sense.

The Post is speculating Arrington won't be a Redskin in 2006:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01283.html

[ICEMAN]

Listen folks, I suffered through the Larry Centers diss, I even disagreed with the Michael Westbrook release, I hated the Stephen Davis fiasco and I even through a monsterous fit with the Champ Bailey trade...But loosing Lavar Arrington will be the most devasting and the hardest pill to swallow as a Redskin fan! I might have to cancel my Redskin Fan membership!!! Enough is enough!!! LET LAVAR PLAY! And for the record...He is our best DEFENSIVE PLAYER!!!!

[1niksder]

But everyone in this thread wants to compare what Warrick has done versus what Lavar might...could...would...should do, but no one is asking why Clemons and Killings are in MORE PACKAGES than Lavar.

Are you sure? Because that's what a lot of people have been asking, and as of yet I haven't heard an explanation that makes a lot of sense.

The Post is speculating Arrington won't be a Redskin in 2006:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01283.html

No telling whats going on with Lavar that's my hold point it's not about Holdman vs Arrington when he is getting less playing time than any LB on the roster.

He might be gone after this year. Some say he isn't tradeable. I say they are wrong. He'll cost someother team less then $1 million in cap space next year plus whatever we get for him. The rest is on the Skins in the $13 mil in cap money that will be due. But if Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams wants him gone... then we will really find out who is running the organization.

IMNSHO if Gibbs wants him gone he's gone

[Fanforever]

These players play because they know their assignments, play the way they're instructed, and don't embarass the organization. LaVar's mouth, and attitude has gotten him in more trouble than his loss of effectiveness on the field. Since he bad-mouthed the team last year maintaining they rushed him back from injury too soon, well looks like he won't be able to cry that tune this time.

When we think back over the last 18 months this guy has created quite a stir. He's accused the team of several unfounded claims in an obvious attempt to make the organization look bad; and to prompt himself as the victum as opposed to the culprit. I don't know that I would want a guy working for me that has accused me of both lying, and cheating him. While he may be charachterized by many as being so great, well, great players making great salries don't have a problem finding their way on the field. "Maybe" if this guy quit's crying the blues, bitching and moaning about everything, he can gear that energy towards something constructive, like learning his assignments, and playing the game the way the coaches want it played, and not the way LaVar wants to play.

[1niksder]

Listen folks, I suffered through the Larry Centers diss, I even disagreed with the Michael Westbrook release, I hated the Stephen Davis fiasco and I even through a monsterous fit with the Champ Bailey trade...But loosing Lavar Arrington will be the most devasting and the hardest pill to swallow as a Redskin fan! I might have to cancel my Redskin Fan membership!!! Enough is enough!!! LET LAVAR PLAY! And for the record...He is our best DEFENSIVE PLAYER!!!!

Welcome to the site ICEMAN.
where'd you sign up to be a fan
Westbrook and Centers I can't really say I had a problem with but Davis and Champ were hard to take, Champ being traded for Steven's replacement didn't help.
But Lavar has watched as much football as I have over the last 14-15 months and I ain't being paid. We can't get around the cap hit but his base is about to blow up in a few years.

[1niksder]

These players play because they know their assignments, play the way they're instructed, and don't embarass the organization. LaVar's mouth, and attitude has gotten him in more trouble than his loss of effectiveness on the field. Since he bad-mouthed the team last year maintaining they rushed him back from injury too soon, well looks like he won't be able to cry that tune this time.

When we think back over the last 18 months this guy has created quite a stir. He's accused the team of several unfounded claims in an obvious attempt to make the organization look bad; and to prompt himself as the victum as opposed to the culprit. I don't know that I would want a guy working for me that has accused me of both lying, and cheating him. While he may be charachterized by many as being so great, well, great players making great salries don't have a problem finding their way on the field. "Maybe" if this guy quit's crying the blues, bitching and moaning about everything, he can gear that energy towards something constructive, like learning his assignments, and playing the game the way the coaches want it played, and not the way LaVar wants to play.

Looks like the same thing all over again



He's grabing the headlines but hasn't done anything but open his mouth

[Deadskins]

LaVar Arrington already is envisioning himself as an ex-Redskin.
The 27-year-old Washington Redskins linebacker, once a Pro Bowl perennial, largely has been an afterthought for the defense this season. Arrington has played only seven snaps in the Redskins' past two games -- close wins over the Dallas Cowboys and Seattle Seahawks.
"I know I can still play at a very high level," Arrington said. "It's just a matter if I get to do it here or if I do it somewhere else. If the direction is going away from me and going towards other things, then, as a man, I have to accept that. I have to move on and figure out what's next for me."
Arrington made three consecutive Pro Bowls from the 2001 to 2003 seasons but missed most of last season following knee surgery.
Linebackers coach Dale Lindsey declined yesterday to talk about Arrington's lack of playing time. Assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams speaks to reporters only on Thursdays.
Coach Joe Gibbs, however, said he can understand why fans are surprised that Arrington is playing so little.
"I know he's disappointed about not making more of an impact, not playing more," said Gibbs, who met with Arrington yesterday. "It's something we just have to work our way through. We've got a lot of talented guys on our defense who can do a lot of things for us. Lots of times our blitzing comes from the secondary. Our defensive schemes try to use all of our people.
"Last year LaVar went through a tough injury thing. This year he's not a starter. It revolves then around the packages and how much [his] packages are called."
Gibbs said he no longer is concerned about Arrington's knee, which kept him off the field during the first two weeks of training camp.
"People say maybe [I'm] not really healthy," said Arrington, who before that injury was the focal point of the defense. "I'm 100-percent healthy. I think I know my body well enough."
Arrington said he doesn't really know why he doesn't fit Williams' system as well as new starter Warrick Holdman or pass-rushing specialist Chris Clemons.
"Yeah, I'm surprised," Arrington said. "Do I hate being off the field? Of course -- I hate not playing. But I don't make those decisions. We're 3-0, so obviously we're doing something right. I don't want my situation to become a distraction, a problem. I love my teammates too much for that.
"By no means am I going to sit here and whine and complain and throw tirades. I have a challenge in front of me, and I'll continue to try to be a professional. I understand that it needs to be reported for what I stand for within this organization and this community. But I don't need this to be an ongoing soap opera: 'Why isn't LaVar playing? What's wrong with LaVar?' "
Arrington said he would simply do what the team asks.
"I'm here every day. I'm here on time," he said. "I don't get in trouble off the field. I don't get in trouble on the field. I do what I'm asked to do. That's how I've always been. People want to [say] 'I'm a freelancer and all this other stuff.' ... I know people have to justify why a three-time Pro Bowler isn't playing, but this is my job.
"You do what you're asked to do. Sometimes you like it, sometimes you don't. Right now I'm asked to sit and watch, and that's what I'm doing."
The eight-year, $68 million contract Arrington signed in December 2003 would make unloading it this offseason very difficult. His signing bonus of more than $11 million would accelerate and count against the 2006 salary cap. Trading or cutting Arrington after June 1 would put about $2 million of those costs on next season's cap, with the remaining $9 million deferred until 2007.
Arrington is a Pittsburgh native and the kind of no-holds-barred linebacker Steelers coach Bill Cowher likes. However, the Steelers have always been loathe to spend mega-millions on particular players.
San Diego's Marty Schottenheimer was a big Arrington fan when he coached the Redskins in 2001. Although the Chargers drafted Maryland end/linebacker Shawne Merriman in the first round this year, they could still be a possibility for Arrington.

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/2005100 ... -2603r.htm

[ICEMAN]

Thanks for the welcome...I am really amazed at the "What have you done for me lately" syndrome that our true Redskins fans has adopted lately. It used to be a time we loved and rooted for our players infinetly. Lavar has been a beast for the Washington Redskins and this is the respect he is due?

[Hoss]

Thanks for the welcome...I am really amazed at the "What have you done for me lately" syndrome that our true Redskins fans has adopted lately. It used to be a time we loved and rooted for our players infinetly. Lavar has been a beast for the Washington Redskins and this is the respect he is due?

[Fanforever]

Respect is not a given, it's earned. One must give respect to get respect.

[HEROHAMO]

Hey im not against playing Holdman but I am definately against benching Arrington. We really need a guy who can pressure the Qb all day Arrington should be a LT type rusher and just blitz all day everyday. KIll the Qb hes perfect for it.