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Steve Spurrier III wrote:On a completley unrelated and irrelevant topic, did anyone see Kerry throw out the first pitch for the Yankees-Red Sox game Sunday night? He looked like 4-year old girl out there...

Steve Spurrier III wrote:Somehow I doubt Bush was calling the shots for the Rangers...

Steve Spurrier III wrote:Somehow I doubt Bush was calling the shots for the Rangers...

Redskins Rule wrote:typical conservatives.....they bash you the first chance they get on anything and everything even if they know its bullcrud.

Brandon777 wrote:

Steve Spurrier III wrote:On a completley unrelated and irrelevant topic, did anyone see Kerry throw out the first pitch for the Yankees-Red Sox game Sunday night? He looked like 4-year old girl out there...

Yeah, I saw it. There was a funny picture posted in a smack thread here of him trying to catch a football. He looked like a four year old girl there also. Someone deleted the pic though.

On another topic, I heard a funny story about Kerry. I wasn't sure if I should post it because it is a rumor, but what the hell. A good friend of mine who I went to college with was born and raised in Nantucket, MA. He lives there now. He told me, and he swears it's true, that Kerry got into a little mishap with the coast guard there. Last summer, Kerry was wind surfing in a restricted channel on Nantucket island. There was a ferry loaded with cars coming through the channel. The ferry contacted the coast guard to take care of the matter. The coast guard arrived and brought Kerry aboard the boat. The coast guard officer in charge was a woman. My friend said she is well known on the island for being strict. Well, when Kerry was brought on board the boat, he proceeded to yell and cuss at everybody. He was saying things to the woman officer like " you f*** ing b****, do you know who the f*** I am!!" "I'll have your F***** JOB!!!!!!!!." "How dare you treat me this way!!!!!" My friend also was telling me that Kerry always would park in handicap spaces and walked around Nantucket like he owned the island.

Nantucket is a small island. My friend swears this really happened. My friend is a smart, level-headed guy who isn't full of crap, but like I stated at first, it is a rumor and I can't provide a link or nothing like that. I think it's funny though.

joebagadonuts wrote:hey, i've got a good one too. this one time, in band camp, bush called a reporter an....well, a certain bodily orifice while the mike was still on. ooops! then, another time, our vice president told a senator (on the senate floor) to perform an impossible sexual act on himself. funny stuff.

joebagadonuts wrote: then, another time, our vice president told a senator (on the senate floor) to perform an impossible sexual act on himself. funny stuff.

joebagadonuts wrote:

Brandon777 wrote:

Steve Spurrier III wrote:On a completley unrelated and irrelevant topic, did anyone see Kerry throw out the first pitch for the Yankees-Red Sox game Sunday night? He looked like 4-year old girl out there...

Yeah, I saw it. There was a funny picture posted in a smack thread here of him trying to catch a football. He looked like a four year old girl there also. Someone deleted the pic though.

On another topic, I heard a funny story about Kerry. I wasn't sure if I should post it because it is a rumor, but what the hell. A good friend of mine who I went to college with was born and raised in Nantucket, MA. He lives there now. He told me, and he swears it's true, that Kerry got into a little mishap with the coast guard there. Last summer, Kerry was wind surfing in a restricted channel on Nantucket island. There was a ferry loaded with cars coming through the channel. The ferry contacted the coast guard to take care of the matter. The coast guard arrived and brought Kerry aboard the boat. The coast guard officer in charge was a woman. My friend said she is well known on the island for being strict. Well, when Kerry was brought on board the boat, he proceeded to yell and cuss at everybody. He was saying things to the woman officer like " you f*** ing b****, do you know who the f*** I am!!" "I'll have your F***** JOB!!!!!!!!." "How dare you treat me this way!!!!!" My friend also was telling me that Kerry always would park in handicap spaces and walked around Nantucket like he owned the island.

Nantucket is a small island. My friend swears this really happened. My friend is a smart, level-headed guy who isn't full of crap, but like I stated at first, it is a rumor and I can't provide a link or nothing like that. I think it's funny though.

hey, i've got a good one too. this one time, in band camp, bush called a reporter an....well, a certain bodily orifice while the mike was still on. ooops! then, another time, our vice president told a senator (on the senate floor) to perform an impossible sexual act on himself. funny stuff.

HANNITY'S LIES ABOUT KERRY, DEBUNKED
About a week ago on Hannity & Colmes, Sean Hannity spewed a litany of lies about John Kerry being a flip-flopper and tax raiser, lies that came directly from the Bush campaign. Oddly, Alan Colmes did not respond. So we will. Hannity said:
Here’s a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it. Here’s a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq. Here’s a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it. Here’s a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it. No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it. Here’s a guy that supported -- was against the death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans. Now he’s for it. The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times. What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?
Let’s take these one at a time.
Here’s a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it.
This is a lie. Kerry’s position has always been consistent on this. I disagree with him, but Kerry has always been against gay marriage. He is for civil unions. What Hannity is doing here is taking Kerry’s vote against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act and deliberately misrepresenting it as a declaration in favor of gay marriage. But let me read you what Kerry said on the floor of the Senate about that vote.
“I will vote against this bill, though I am not for same-sex marriage, because I believe that this debate is fundamentally ugly, and it is fundamentally political, and it is fundamentally flawed….the results of this bill will not be to preserve anything, but will serve to attack a group of people out of various motives and rationales, and certainly out of a lack of understanding and a lack of tolerance, and will only serve the purposes of the political season.”
And on that, I totally agree with him. So, for the record: Kerry has been totally consistent on this. He has never flip-flopped. Sean Hannity is lying, and he knows it.

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Here’s a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq.
Okay. This is just stupid. Kerry’s position on Iraq has been totally consistent. Yes, he voted to authorize the president to use force against Iraq. But voted for that in order for Bush to go to the UN and get the inspectors back into Iraq, which was a genuine triumph. But, the president acted in bad faith. Here is what Kerry said about it on Face the Nation on September 14, 2003:
“The president promised he would go to war as a matter of last resort. He didn’t. The president promised he would build a coalition and work through the United Nations. He didn’t. We’re paying the price for the reckless way in which this president approached this. It’s a failure of diplomacy, and today it’s a failure of leadership.”
Kerry was entirely consistent, and not only that, he was right.

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Here’s a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it.
This is correct, but it’s not a flip-flop. Kerry voted for an amendment to the Iraqi appropriations bill that would have paid for the $87 billion by taking it out of the tax cut for the extremely rich. That amendment lost, 57-42, because Bush insisted that the $87 billion be added to the deficit. As we discussed with Paul Krugman last week, never in the history of this country have we had tax cuts while we were at war. Not only that, but Paul Krugman told me that he has yet to find any civilization in the history of this planet that ever had a tax cut during a war.

After the amendment went down, Kerry did vote against the final $87 billion supplemental appropriation, as a protest against the way Bush got us into the war and is conducting it. But he knew that the troops would have the support, because the bill passed 87 to 12.

You can support our troops, and still protest the president. If you can’t hold those two ideas in your head, you won’t enjoy my show, and I suggest you switch over to Rush right now.

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Here’s a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it.
Well, here’s what Kerry said:
“I voted for the Patriot Act right after September 11th – convinced that – with a sunset clause – it was the right decision to make. It clearly wasn’t a perfect bill – and it had a number of flaws – but this wasn’t the time to haggle. It was the time to act.

"But George Bush and John Ashcroft abused the spirit of national action after the terrorist attacks. They have used the Patriot Act in ways that were never intended and for reasons that have nothing to do with terrorism. That’s why, as President, I will propose new anti-terrorism laws that advance the War on Terror while ending the assault on our basic rights.”
In other words, he voted for the Patriot Act after 9/11, although he objected to parts of it. Bush has abused it in ways that were never intended by Congress when it was passed. If you can’t hold that in your head, you will love Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it.
This is an easy one. On this one, like all the others, Kerry’s position is consistent, and principled, and Hannity’s is dishonest. Kerry voted for the bill, which the president promised to fund. The president didn’t fund it, which created unfunded mandates on states and school districts across this country. As a result, classroom sizes are getting bigger, after-school programs are being dropped, teachers are being fired, and education is getting worse. Everyone in education across this country will tell you that. No Child Left Behind is the most ironically named piece of legislation since the 1942 Japanese Family Leave Act.

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Here’s a guy that supported -- was against the death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans. Now he’s for it.
Actually, Sean’s right on this one. Kerry was against the death penalty before 9/11. And after 9/11, he now supports the death penalty for terrorists. Now, Bush—before 9/11, wanted to invade Iraq. And after it, wanted to invade Iraq. So maybe he was more consistent. Kerry was affected viscerally by 9/11. I’m not sure I’d call that a flip-flop.

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The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times.
This is a disgraceful lie. It is a distortion of a phony statistic put out by the Bush campaign. The Bush campaign lists 350 of Kerry’s votes for, quote, “higher taxes.” Almost all of these are votes Kerry cast to leave taxes unchanged, such as a 1987 vote against a repeal of the “windfall profit” tax on oil. Taxes would have remained the same if his side had prevailed. In other words, this was a vote against an irresponsible tax cut for the rich.

Let me make a side note. We need to pay for the government. Someone’s got to pay for it. And if you cut taxes for the rich, the burden gets shifted to everyone else, or their children.

Bush’s list even includes votes that Kerry cast in favor of alternative Democratic tax cuts. On Bush’s list, there’s only one actual tax increase that Kerry voted for, which incidentally is counted twice. It’s his vote for Clinton’s 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, which raised taxes on the top 1% and cut taxes on people at the bottom, and was followed by eight years of unprecedented growth.
What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?
The man who has no core values or principles here is a man named Sean Hannity. And you know who came up with all these lies? The campaign of a man named George W. Bush.

Look. The reason I took the time to go over all of this is you’re going to hear this garbage repeated over, and over, and over again from now until November. And we are not going to let them do it. We are not going to let them do to John Kerry what they did to Al Gore.

Kerry is not a flip-flopper. But Bush is a liar. And his shills in the media, like Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh—they’re liars too.

Brandon777 wrote:I actually find Cheney's comment justified. The senator he cussed at would go around calling Cheney a liar and take cheap shots behind his back. Then when he was around Cheney, he would act like they were best buds.

joebagadonuts wrote:justified, perhaps, but in no way appropriate, most especially for the vice president of the united states. if you want to tell the guy to go f himself, you don't do it on the senate floor.

joebagadonuts wrote:

Brandon777 wrote:I actually find Cheney's comment justified. The senator he cussed at would go around calling Cheney a liar and take cheap shots behind his back. Then when he was around Cheney, he would act like they were best buds.

justified, perhaps, but in no way appropriate, most especially for the vice president of the united states. if you want to tell the guy to go f himself, you don't do it on the senate floor.

Redskins Rule wrote:That was a nice post JSPB22. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Those Ruthless Republicans have slammed Democrats on anything and everything for so long that it just goes in one ear and out the other. I know what they say is all Bullcrud I don't need to read your post as proof, but thanks for posting it anyway.

Brandon777 wrote:

joebagadonuts wrote:

Brandon777 wrote:I actually find Cheney's comment justified. The senator he cussed at would go around calling Cheney a liar and take cheap shots behind his back. Then when he was around Cheney, he would act like they were best buds.

justified, perhaps, but in no way appropriate, most especially for the vice president of the united states. if you want to tell the guy to go f himself, you don't do it on the senate floor.

The senate floor was basically empty. It's not like it happened while senators were on the floor voting. I guess it was more appropriate in the eyes of democrats when Bill Clinton was shoving cigars up his intern while inside the Oval Office.

Kerry was cussing at the "common folk". Cheney was cussing at a two-faced politician.

Brandon777 wrote:

Redskins Rule wrote:That was a nice post JSPB22. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Those Ruthless Republicans have slammed Democrats on anything and everything for so long that it just goes in one ear and out the other. I know what they say is all Bullcrud I don't need to read your post as proof, but thanks for posting it anyway.

I guess it doesn't matter if JSPB22's post comes from left-wing sources. It tells you what you want to hear so it must be right. That's all that matters in your eyes.

Brandon777 wrote:

Redskins Rule wrote:
That was a nice post JSPB22. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Those Ruthless Republicans have slammed Democrats on anything and everything for so long that it just goes in one ear and out the other. I know what they say is all Bullcrud I don't need to read your post as proof, but thanks for posting it anyway.

I guess it doesn't matter if JSPB22's post comes from left-wing sources. It tells you what you want to hear so it must be right. That's all that matters in your eyes.