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riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:I'm looking forward to seeing Guice back, but realistically isn't it like two years before these RBs really come back from the ACL?

Some of them never make it back. ACL injuries are hard to predict in terms of recovery. I also find it odd how we're not hearing much about Guice from anyone at Redskins Park.

Yeah, true.

I've definitely seen some video posted of him recently working out at Ashburn. Doing drills, cutting and stuff. I'm probably not as worried about him never coming back. But I think it would be crazy to expect him to be the day 1 starter in 2019, and I hope they'll be conservative with bringing him along.

The other concern is a team without any passing game of which to speak is going to have defenses load the box against the run. I say this every year and every year it turns out to be true but the Redskins don't have enough draft picks to address every need. And since they quit "winning the off-season" in free agency I don't see them fixing the passing game.

Pretty much. That's true.

And even if Guice were 100% healthy,
you can't expect the guy will come in and magically transform the offense with 20-25 carries a game.
That's not Gruden's preference. The guy wants to pass.

I believe we will draft a QB still, even if we have more pressing needs. Maybe even two QBs.

Right now we are toothless on offense. No one will respect a Colt-Johson duo.
That must change.

does anyone really think that the Redskins are winning 7 or maybe 8 games this season?

they could have an injury free season and draft a QB that shows incredible promise and still not win 8 games ... at best

the reality is this franchise is not getting better until we get a new GM

SkinsJock wrote:does anyone really think that the Redskins are winning 7 or maybe 8 games this season?

I sure wouldn't bet on it. And not that I would blame you for saying it, but I'm pretty sure you said they wouldn't win 7 games in 2018!

Nothing surprises me with this team either way. I think how many games they might win this year isn't really the issue. Its football so anything can happen. The issue is that they're a badly managed mess, and its hard for even the most optimistic fan to believe they have any kind of plan.

SkinsJock wrote:the reality is this franchise is not getting better until we get a new GM

The reality is we're not getting a new GM, so you can stop adding it to every post.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:does anyone really think that the Redskins are winning 7 or maybe 8 games this season?

I sure wouldn't bet on it. And not that I would blame you for saying it, but I'm pretty sure you said they wouldn't win 7 games in 2018!
Nothing surprises me with this team either way. I think how many games they might win this year isn't really the issue. Its football so anything can happen. The issue is that they're a badly managed mess, and its hard for even the most optimistic fan to believe they have any kind of plan.

I do remember thinking that they would win between 6-8 games but who knew they would get off to such a great start - maybe this team will get lucky and win 8 or 9 games as well
Any franchise that makes a trade with the Redskins knows that any future draft picks are likely to be fairly high

SkinsJock wrote:maybe this team will get lucky and win 8 or 9 games as well

Yeah man its the NFL so anything is possible. Jim Zorn won eight games that one year. lol. I wonder when was the last anyone was really confident about this team? Anybody have a thought on that? It feels like its been a long time that I've been turning on Redskins games and thinking "well this one could go either way".

I hope that the Redskins take the cap hit for Alex Smith this year, as suggested above. Smith will not be strong enough to play in 2019, so why hold his contract/rights through 2020? Without Smith, the 2019 season will be another 6 - 8 win season, no matter who the team signs at QB.

Sign a veteran and inexpensive backup. Let 2019 be a season to fill in the holes and to evaluate players under contract.

Maybe trade Josh Norman for draft choices.

welch wrote:I hope that the Redskins take the cap hit for Alex Smith this year, as suggested above. Smith will not be strong enough to play in 2019, so why hold his contract/rights through 2020? Without Smith, the 2019 season will be another 6 - 8 win season, no matter who the team signs at QB.

Sign a veteran and inexpensive backup. Let 2019 be a season to fill in the holes and to evaluate players under contract.

Maybe trade Josh Norman for draft choices.

makes sense
unfortunately, until we get someone that knows what they're doing, these bozos will continue to make stupid decisions and hope they work out ...

welch wrote:I hope that the Redskins take the cap hit for Alex Smith this year, as suggested above. Smith will not be strong enough to play in 2019, so why hold his contract/rights through 2020? Without Smith, the 2019 season will be another 6 - 8 win season, no matter who the team signs at QB.

Sign a veteran and inexpensive backup. Let 2019 be a season to fill in the holes and to evaluate players under contract.

Maybe trade Josh Norman for draft choices.

I thought that was the original plan last year? Didn't go so well, unfortunately.

Ultimately, that mindset gets you nowhere because it's a stopgap solution.
The irrevocable truth is that a team is built around a QB.
Yeah yeah, sometimes you get really lucky with a Brady or team that's so
good at Defense that it only needs a competent QB to win the big one (Bears, Baltimore, Tampa).

But let's not kid ourselves. Most successful teams are built around high-level QB play
that you only find in the first round of the draft. Heck, this year even Cleveland showed that's the way to go.

El Mexican wrote:

welch wrote:I hope that the Redskins take the cap hit for Alex Smith this year, as suggested above. Smith will not be strong enough to play in 2019, so why hold his contract/rights through 2020? Without Smith, the 2019 season will be another 6 - 8 win season, no matter who the team signs at QB.
Sign a veteran and inexpensive backup. Let 2019 be a season to fill in the holes and to evaluate players under contract.
Maybe trade Josh Norman for draft choices.

I thought that was the original plan last year? Didn't go so well, unfortunately.

Ultimately, that mindset gets you nowhere because it's a stopgap solution. The irrevocable truth is that a team is built around a QB.
sometimes you get really lucky with a Brady or team that's so good at Defense that it only needs a competent QB to win the big one (Bears, Baltimore, Tampa). But let's not kid ourselves. Most successful teams are built around high-level QB play that you only find in the first round of the draft.
Heck, this year even Cleveland showed that's the way to go.

we just need to keep adding good players and hope for a change in the way the team is managed - these guys don't know what they're doing and trading up will only result in our getting a QB that eventually will be let go and most likely become a really good QB somewhere else ...

Andy Dalton might be a good fit as he had his best years under Jay Gruden.

Sadly, yes. Dalton could actually be an "upgrade".

Jason La Canfora ...

Sign Teddy Bridgewater. Alex Smith might never play again, and expecting him to contribute at all in 2019 would be unwise. They need to find a younger guy with upside for the future. In this year's market, this is it. I would expect them to perhaps sniff around on Colts back-up Jacoby Brissett as well, though that price could be steep in terms of draft picks. They need to save picks, they need a starting QB, and unless they are willing to move up the options are limited in this draft. Perhaps they fall in love with Duke's Daniel Jones, but with so many jobs on the line in Washington this season, nabbing a 26-year old who already has a playoff win to his resume makes too much sense to ignore.

SkinsJock wrote:Jason La Canfora ...

Sign Teddy Bridgewater. Alex Smith might never play again, and expecting him to contribute at all in 2019 would be unwise. They need to find a younger guy with upside for the future. In this year's market, this is it. I would expect them to perhaps sniff around on Colts back-up Jacoby Brissett as well, though that price could be steep in terms of draft picks. They need to save picks, they need a starting QB, and unless they are willing to move up the options are limited in this draft. Perhaps they fall in love with Duke's Daniel Jones, but with so many jobs on the line in Washington this season, nabbing a 26-year old who already has a playoff win to his resume makes too much sense to ignore.

It will be a cold day on the sun before the Redskins ever do anything at the behest of Jason LaCanfora. I'm pretty sure he's still banned from Redskins Park.

Teddy B? He won a single playoff game with a stacked Minnesota team. That's it.

I'd rather roll the dice in the draft.

what makes you think that these 2 bozos are going to finally make a good decision ... especially about the QB

SkinsJock wrote:what makes you think that these 2 bozos are going to finally make a good decision ... especially about the QB

I'm not here to discuss whether "these 2 bozos" will make a good decision or not. I'm interested to hear what other fans think the team SHOULD do.

There are at least a dozen realistic possible scenarios regarding the QB this offseason. One of those choices can be a "good decision" regardless of who is making it.

I'll be honest I'd really like to see the team take a swing at drafting a QB at #15 this year and do it without any crazy trades to move up. Maybe the kid from Duke? Get rid of Lauvao. Draft a guard in the second or third round. Spencer Long is back on the street, maybe bring him back in. Its all a crap shoot I know, but at least I'd be interested to see that kid play. Another year of the next journeyman QB... meh.

riggofan wrote:I'm not here to discuss whether "these 2 bozos" will make a good decision or not. I'm interested to hear what other fans think the team SHOULD do.

There are at least a dozen realistic possible scenarios regarding the QB this offseason. One of those choices can be a "good decision" regardless of who is making it.

I'll be honest I'd really like to see the team take a swing at drafting a QB at #15 this year and do it without any crazy trades to move up. Maybe the kid from Duke? Get rid of Lauvao. Draft a guard in the second or third round. Spencer Long is back on the street, maybe bring him back in. Its all a crap shoot I know, but at least I'd be interested to see that kid play. Another year of the next journeyman QB... meh.

I think the team should stop signing castoff quarterbacks from other teams. It's been a failed strategy for a long time now. Where we might disagree is in that I think if you find a kid who has an NFL arm and can pass from the pocket you might consider moving up to get him. This draft is pretty bad and this team won't tank for a top pick in the 2020 draft. Lavao should have been cut three years ago. To me that's a "no-brainer." There are dozens of guards looking for work every year. Lauvao is about the worst option of all of them. The two or three games where he's healthy don't balance the twelve where he's playing injured or unable to play.

But I'm with you on the journeyman QB thing. I'd rather watch flies *f$ck* than go through another year of 7-9 B.S. that is just good enough to get a lousy draft pick and nowhere close to being good enough to be competitive.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I think the team should stop signing castoff quarterbacks from other teams. It's been a failed strategy for a long time now. Where we might disagree is in that I think if you find a kid who has an NFL arm and can pass from the pocket you might consider moving up to get him.

Yeah I'm not completely opposed to trading up if its the trade is reasonable. Drafting at #15 isn't a huge jump to move up and there are some teams ahead who don't need QBs that could afford to move down a few spots and pick up an extra pick.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Lauvao is about the worst option of all of them. The two or three games where he's healthy don't balance the twelve where he's playing injured or unable to play.

You'd think he would be REALLY good or REALLY reliable to have stuck around here this long, especially as a starter. But he's been neither!

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:But I'm with you on the journeyman QB thing. I'd rather watch flies *f$ck* than go through another year of 7-9 B.S. that is just good enough to get a lousy draft pick and nowhere close to being good enough to be competitive.

I feel like it would give me a legit reason to be interested next year. A first round QB plus Guice returning, I'd be curious to see that. Drafting the top corner this year at the 15 pick might be the prudent move but I don't see it moving the needle much.

I think the team should stop signing castoff quarterbacks from other teams. It's been a failed strategy for a long time now

This is absolutely key in understanding why this team has taken a nose dive.
Besides, bringing in QBs from other teams alienates the fan base.

We've seen this time and time again since the Jeff George days.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:what makes you think that these 2 bozos are going to finally make a good decision ... especially about the QB

I'm not here to discuss whether "these 2 bozos" will make a good decision or not. I'm interested to hear what other fans think the team SHOULD do. There are at least a dozen realistic possible scenarios regarding the QB this offseason. One of those choices can be a "good decision" regardless of who is making it.

I'm not interested in much discussion about the decisions that these 2 bozos make either - even when they make good decisions the franchise is still not getting any better with them in charge PLUS the ideas from some here make a lot more sense than what will actually be done the next few months

I hope that we don't trade up or just draft a QB because we badly need one - we just need to keep adding good young players and PRAY that Snyder will eventually put the franchise in someone else's hands

Maybe admins can start a FRONT OFFICE forum where those of us interested in complaining about Dan and Bruce can hang out.

riggofan wrote:Maybe admins can start a FRONT OFFICE forum where those of us interested in complaining about Dan and Bruce can hang out.

That would be one of us. The rest of us hav long since grown tired of bitching about things that aren't going to change.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I think the team should stop signing castoff quarterbacks from other teams. It's been a failed strategy for a long time now. Where we might disagree is in that I think if you find a kid who has an NFL arm and can pass from the pocket you might consider moving up to get him.

Yeah I'm not completely opposed to trading up if its the trade is reasonable. Drafting at #15 isn't a huge jump to move up and there are some teams ahead who don't need QBs that could afford to move down a few spots and pick up an extra pick.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:But I'm with you on the journeyman QB thing. I'd rather watch flies *f$ck* than go through another year of 7-9 B.S. that is just good enough to get a lousy draft pick and nowhere close to being good enough to be competitive.

I feel like it would give me a legit reason to be interested next year. A first round QB plus Guice returning, I'd be curious to see that. Drafting the top corner this year at the 15 pick might be the prudent move but I don't see it moving the needle much.

sounds like someone thinks that Bruce maybe right ...

hopefully we don't trade any picks - we just need to add the best player available and if we do make any trades it should involve trying to get as many picks as possible - we're looking at maybe 7 wins this coming season no matter who is our QB

this franchise needs a MAJOR culture change - our only hope is that we have a bunch of good players available when Snyder sees that doing things the way that we've been doing them is going to result in 7 - 9 wins no matter who is on the roster or coaching here