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hopefully, Cousins shows us all something special this week

SkinsJock wrote:hopefully, Cousins shows us all something special this week

He's been showing us something special all year on the way to breaking the franchise passing for the second year in a row, you've just decided not to notice.

Your boy held up for all of 7 quarters in Cleveland. The coaches, owner, teammates, hotdog vendors and fans let down him down again.

Cousins passing records are not what is important - he's still not proven that he's an elite QB that wins games
there are a bunch of QBs that are showing they are very special - Cousins just has a bunch of records

what about all the games we could have won if we'd had a really good QB - Cousins is just a good QB that sets records

be nice if he could be a difference maker - he's not there yet

Kirk Cousins is NOT The Best Redskin In Decades


I'll be here till the end of time

OldSchool wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:hopefully, Cousins shows us all something special this week

He's been showing us something special all year on the way to breaking the franchise passing for the second year in a row

HOORAY

if Cousins decides to take the money I really hopes he picks Cleveland - be a great fit

OldSchool wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:hopefully, Cousins shows us all something special this week

He's been showing us something special all year on the way to breaking the franchise passing for the second year in a row, you've just decided not to notice.

Your boy held up for all of 7 quarters in Cleveland. The coaches, owner, teammates, hotdog vendors and fans let down him down again.

We are hanging on for dear life. Living on a prayer...
Magical?
We have 8 wins on the season? Are you serious?

Drew Brees actually passed for more yards so far but is out of the playoffs. If that's magic you can keep it.

HEROHAMO wrote:Drew Brees actually passed for more yards so far but is out of the playoffs. If that's magic you can keep it.

I'd take Drew Brees over Cousins. Brees has shown he can lead his team to the promised land, not just set records.

Deadskins wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Drew Brees actually passed for more yards so far but is out of the playoffs. If that's magic you can keep it.

I'd take Drew Brees over Cousins. Brees has shown he can lead his team to the promised land, not just set records.

Drew Brees is about to turn 38 years old. Seems like that would be a really good plan to build a team around him.

Awesome that he won a super bowl. He's also shown he can lead his team to .500 or worse seasons in six of the last ten. Magic!

Not knocking Brees (or Cousins). But there's nothing inherently magic about him. He "lead his team to the promised land" because he's a great QB who was surrounded by enough talent to get there. No reason Kirk Cousins can't do the same.

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Drew Brees actually passed for more yards so far but is out of the playoffs. If that's magic you can keep it.

I'd take Drew Brees over Cousins. Brees has shown he can lead his team to the promised land, not just set records.

Drew Brees is about to turn 38 years old. Seems like that would be a really good plan to build a team around him.

Awesome that he won a super bowl. He's also shown he can lead his team to .500 or worse seasons in six of the last ten. Magic!

Not knocking Brees (or Cousins). But there's nothing inherently magic about him. He "lead his team to the promised land" because he's a great QB who was surrounded by enough talent to get there. No reason Kirk Cousins can't do the same.

I didn't mean I'd trade them straight up right now. What I meant was for this one game and the playoffs. I agree that Kirk might one day lead us to the promised land, if we ever get a defense that matches our offense, but so far he hasn't really performed well in big games, or on a national stage. I'm hoping he shows us some of that this year, but he hasn't so far.

Deadskins wrote:I didn't mean I'd trade them straight up right now. What I meant was for this one game and the playoffs. I agree that Kirk might one day lead us to the promised land, if we ever get a defense that matches our offense, but so far he hasn't really performed well in big games, or on a national stage. I'm hoping he shows us some of that this year, but he hasn't so far.

All true! But these things are just true until they aren't. Think about this nugget from Peyton Manning's bio:

"For the first decade of his career, Manning was dogged by suggestions that he couldn't win a big game."

Kirk has done some good things, improved steadily over the past two years IMO. I'm with you hoping that he can take the next step.

Just in the past 20 years the Redskins have had some players better at their position than Kirk Cousins. Trent Williams, Champ Bailey, Jordan Reed (assuming he keeps it up), and I think the argument can be made for Sean Taylor (he took a huge step his final season), Ken Harvey, and maybe London Fletcher. I'm not going to get in the "Would you trade Cousins for..." argument unless it's another QB.

If the Redskins win Sunday, Kirk Cousins will have been the first QB to take the Skins to back to back playoffs since Rypien. I'm like everyone on this board in the "It feels like he should be doing more" feeling but fact is he is knocking on the door of 5,000 yards on a playoff contender.

Smithian wrote:Just in the past 20 years the Redskins have had some players better at their position than Kirk Cousins. Trent Williams, Champ Bailey, Jordan Reed (assuming he keeps it up), and I think the argument can be made for Sean Taylor (he took a huge step his final season), Ken Harvey, and maybe London Fletcher. I'm not going to get in the "Would you trade Cousins for..." argument unless it's another QB.

If the Redskins win Sunday, Kirk Cousins will have been the first QB to take the Skins to back to back playoffs since Rypien. I'm like everyone on this board in the "It feels like he should be doing more" feeling but fact is he is knocking on the door of 5,000 yards on a playoff contender.

Cousins is the best Redskins in decades because he's easily the best QB in 30-40 years and quarterbacks are without question the most impactful and important players on a teammate, like a queen on a chess board.

The Skins are going affirm Kirk's dominance in 100+M ways after the season is over.

Smithian wrote: I'm like everyone on this board in the "It feels like he should be doing more" feeling but fact is he is knocking on the door of 5,000 yards on a playoff contender.

I feel that at times, too. Posting those kind of numbers, it does feel like "doing more" he should be completely dominating more games. I don't know if that's just a fact of the NFL that most games aren't like that or maybe because the defense has been so poor. Maybe not finishing more in the red zone too. Don't know, but I do get what you're saying and its a good observation.

I'm not accepting that Kirk Cousins is the best Redskin in decades at all - not even close - that is just a very biased statement

Kirk Cousins COULD become an elite QB but he's not even there yet - stupid claim and I'm sorry I kept responding ... done

SkinsJock wrote: I'm not accepting that Kirk Cousins is the best Redskin in decades at all - not even close - that is just a very biased statement

Kirk Cousins COULD become an elite QB but he's not even there yet - stupid claim and I'm sorry I kept responding ... done

Kirk Cousins is not that much different than Jay Schroeder, Joe Theisman, Mark Rypien, or Doug Williams. Good, not great, quarterbacks who ran up the score with dominant offenses. Difference between Kirk and those guys is they had significantly better defenses and Monk/Clark/Sanders is better DJax/Garcon/Crowder/Reed. Redskins were, as we all know, much better running the ball then.

If Kirk wants to resign and win a few playoff games then he's in the argument with Sonny Jurgensen for best Redskin QB not named Sammy Baugh.

OldSchool wrote:Cousins is the best Redskins in decades because he's easily the best QB in 30-40 years and quarterbacks are without question the most impactful and important players on a teammate, like a queen on a chess board.

I know no analogy is perfect so I don't want to harp on the queen thing - but all queens are created equal and all QBs are not.

By your logic a Cleveland fan in 1993 would say Bernie Kosar is the best Brown in decades and overlook Jim Brown.

Same goes for Detroit, Matt Stafford, and Barry Sanders.

Darrell Green made 7 Pro Bowls and was on the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team.

Art Monk was the NFL's all-time leading receiver and was on the NFL 1980s All-Decade Team.

Kirk may get there one day but he's not there yet.

Sorry, not buying.

DarthMonk wrote:

OldSchool wrote:Cousins is the best Redskins in decades because he's easily the best QB in 30-40 years and quarterbacks are without question the most impactful and important players on a teammate, like a queen on a chess board.

I know no analogy is perfect so I don't want to harp on the queen thing - but all queens are created equal and all QBs are not.

By your logic a Cleveland fan in 1993 would say Bernie Kosar is the best Brown in decades and overlook Jim Brown.

Same goes for Detroit, Matt Stafford, and Barry Sanders.

Darrell Green made 7 Pro Bowls and was on the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team.

Art Monk was the NFL's all-time leading receiver and was on the NFL 1980s All-Decade Team.

Kirk may get there one day but he's not there yet.

Sorry, not buying.

^^^ This.

I mean if he clarified and said best QB in decades, I'd agree...but there's no way he's better or more impactful than Darrell Green.

StorminMormon86 wrote:I mean if he clarified and said best QB in decades, I'd agree...but there's no way he's better or more impactful than Darrell Green.

I thought I was clear I said and believe Kirk is the best Redskin in decades at all positions. As of today Darryl Green is my view the best Redskin at his position since the 60's when I started watching but since a QB is far more valuable and impactful than a CB I believe Kirk is the best Redskin post Sonny. A number of past players with completed careers have accomplished more than Kirk with only 2 starting seasons under his belt but Kirk is the first true franchise QB since Thiesman and significantly better than Thiesman in my view. The Skins have had some 1-2 year contributors but no one since a Thiesman has seized the job and no one has been called on to carry the team like Kirk post Sonny.

Will Cousins end up in Canton like Green and some others? If he puts in another 8-10 years like the last 2 he will and if SM does his job like we hope they'll be a Super Bowl on his record.

OldSchool wrote:I thought I was clear I said and believe Kirk is the best Redskin in decades at all positions.

I think we've all been clear. I happen to think you've overstated your case but that's cool.

If he plays great this Sunday that will bolster your case marginally and if he craps the bed it will hurt your case fairly significantly.

I'd love to see him prove you right over the next several years but IMO, that's what it will take.

Kirk only just won a game against a team with a winning record this year. He was 0-4 plus years against winning teams. He melts in the big game constantly. He embarrassed himself in the playoffs last year and is 8-6 this year against meh competition. Sure he racks up garbage yards as hes been doing since he got here but it seldom translates into impact wins against meaningful teams on the big stage despite having a sick set of receivers.

Cousins isn't even close to the real talent on this team- Jordan Reed.

He is better than I thought he could be but he is hardly the best Redskins player because he really doesn't deliver meaningful wins. Mark Rypien with these passing rules would have killed it.

Kirk Cousins finally confirmed how stupid this thread has been

I've been saying it for years and haven't been wrong yet. Captain Pick and Fat Gruden aren't going to deliver crap. Captain Pick can't win real games against real competition and Fat Gruden is too stupid to be a real coach. He is an AFL coach and belongs back in the arena league. Hopefully Gruden is closer to being fired due to incompetence.

If we can get 2 first rounders for Captain Pick we should do it. What a waste of 20 million in salary cap.

Kirk has choked away too many big games to demand the payday he's seeking. I'm fine with him being the starter, but not at that price point.

So... our defense is consistently unable to get off the field against a mediocre team, and that is somehow Kirk's fault? Gruden didn't anticipate the aggressive play of the Giants defense in his gameplan, and that's Kirk's fault? SMH... Regardless, I trust Scot to do the right thing here.