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Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:23 am
by hitmandm
DEHog wrote:hitmandm wrote:
I want Kirk resigned as a backup. Rg3 will be better than Kirk if even NFL Defenses fear his arm enough to let our run Game come back to life. RG3 is on this roster because he is very much in play next year. Gruden will be fired. Kirk may be throwing picks on another team. kirk may be here. But he will not be signed to a franchise QB contract barring an act of God these last games.
So you think Kirk is a pick machine but you want him signed?? No only that you want him signed to backup RG....
Yes, to a back up QB position. He is a damn good player and teammate who can come in and play from time to time. He just cant consistently carry a team.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:04 am
by StorminMormon86
hitmandm wrote:DEHog wrote:hitmandm wrote:
I want Kirk resigned as a backup. Rg3 will be better than Kirk if even NFL Defenses fear his arm enough to let our run Game come back to life. RG3 is on this roster because he is very much in play next year. Gruden will be fired. Kirk may be throwing picks on another team. kirk may be here. But he will not be signed to a franchise QB contract barring an act of God these last games.
So you think Kirk is a pick machine but you want him signed?? No only that you want him signed to backup RG....
Yes, to a back up QB position. He is a damn good player and teammate who can come in and play from time to time. He just cant consistently carry a team.
And what the hell in the past 2 years makes you think Robert could carry a team?
Gruden himself said that NONE of the QB's on this roster are there yet. Maybe Robert will get better and help the next team he goes to. Hopefully Kirk gets better as the season goes on and grows into it.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:27 am
by DEHog
hitmandm wrote:DEHog wrote:hitmandm wrote:
I want Kirk resigned as a backup. Rg3 will be better than Kirk if even NFL Defenses fear his arm enough to let our run Game come back to life. RG3 is on this roster because he is very much in play next year. Gruden will be fired. Kirk may be throwing picks on another team. kirk may be here. But he will not be signed to a franchise QB contract barring an act of God these last games.
So you think Kirk is a pick machine but you want him signed?? No only that you want him signed to backup RG....
Yes, to a back up QB position. He is a damn good player and teammate who can come in and play from time to time. He just cant consistently carry a team.
The reason I'm laughing is that you think Kirk would entertain signing here as a backup...don't you think 75 percent of NFL teams would love to have him as a back-up?? Why in the world would he sign here as a back-up!!!
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:32 am
by riggofan
StorminMormon86 wrote:And what the hell in the past 2 years makes you think Robert could carry a team?
That guy is ridiculous. Don't bother.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:27 pm
by SkinsJock
Kirk Cousins is a good NFL QB and he deserves a shot at starting - I hope that he's here until we can find a starting QB to replace him
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:41 pm
by riggofan
Or you could hope that he improves as a QB and helps the team win a bunch of games. That might be a nice option too.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:05 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
riggofan wrote:Or you could hope that he improves as a QB and helps the team win a bunch of games. That might be a nice option too.
Why take the path of least resistance?
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:29 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:Or you could hope that he improves as a QB and helps the team win a bunch of games. That might be a nice option too.
I agree - I really do hope that Kirk Cousins is here and we win every game until we find a good starting QB to replace him
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:48 pm
by Deadskins
PulpExposure wrote:The problem with the Redskins isn't exactly changing coaches every 2 years. That's the symptom of the disease. In a real world (i.e., non-Redskins world), if your coach sucks, it's evident why you fire him, and you'll still get people applying for the job. Coaches will still be interested in the job regardless as there just aren't that many job openings in the NFL.
I have to disagree. Changing coaches causes huge upheaval in the team. It is starting all over again while the new guy installs his system, and the other new coaching assistants install theirs. I know there would be people willing to do the job, but it certainly wouldn't be one of the top prospects, because they will have offers to go elsewhere, where the owner isn't known for impatience and petulance. If we can show a little stability as an organization, at the top, then the rest will take care of itself. Give Scot the time to assemble a good roster, chock with depth, and good coaches will start to pay attention.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:51 pm
by Deadskins
Irn-Bru wrote:PulpExposure wrote:riggofan wrote:
Yeah we've been saying that for a long time. I think if you have any hopes of this thing turning around its all about Scot McCloughan. You?
He's Obi Wan. He's our only hope.
Until he says f it from working with Dan and starts hitting the sauce again...
Yep. Kind of scary to have our eggs in one basket, but there it is.
That thing with his wife in the offseason was a heart-stopper. Luckily it doesn't appear to have had long-term effects. I'm crossing my fingers for next offseason, and I believe in Scot. He's had a huge impact on this team in less than a year.
Agreed.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:37 pm
by SkinsJock
I'm kind of encouraged by what we've seen already - the biggest thing is the difference on the field and that comes because of the accountability - we need to give Scot another draft or 2 with this current staff and see what we've got
I'm looking forward to next season with a lot more new players PLUS the guys coming off injured reserve - I really think we can be a consistent playoff contender in 2017 - whether Jay has taken advantage of things by then or not is up to him - Scot knows what's best for this franchise
Keeping Cousins is a no brainer as long as he wants to do that for a reasonable deal - if he chooses the $, more power to him - GOOD BYE
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:33 pm
by OldSchool
Get the extension done I don't care if we over pay with Kirk in the line up the Skins look like a football team. Add some more talent over the next 2 or 3 drafts and we may have something if we keep Cousins. Extend Kirk now!
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:30 pm
by SkinsJock
we need to sign Kirk Cousins and I could care less how much we pay him ... however, we should not overpay for any player
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:31 pm
by hitmandm
hitmandm wrote:
Yes, to a back up QB position. He is a damn good player and teammate who can come in and play from time to time. He just cant consistently carry a team.
And what the hell in the past 2 years makes you think Robert could carry a team?
Gruden himself said that NONE of the QB's on this roster are there yet. Maybe Robert will get better and help the next team he goes to. Hopefully Kirk gets better as the season goes on and grows into it.[/quote][/quote]
Because he actually did in 2012. You just say 2 years because it fits your point. But if you say 3 years, he did it. He won NFL OROY and carried an NFL team to the playoffs with a much worse team.
How can you look at the Jets, pats and Carolina games and think Kirk has anything remotely resembling a starting QB skill set.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:35 pm
by hitmandm
riggofan wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:And what the hell in the past 2 years makes you think Robert could carry a team?
That guy is ridiculous. Don't bother.
Says the Gus,Zorn, Campbell and Shanny supporter...
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:17 pm
by Deadskins
hitmandm wrote:Says the Gus,Zorn, Campbell and Shanny supporter...
I was a supporter of all of those guys, because I am a supporter of the Washington Redskins. Maybe you should give it a try.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:07 am
by StorminMormon86
hitmandm wrote:Because he actually did in 2012. You just say 2 years because it fits your point. But if you say 3 years, he did it. He won NFL OROY and carried an NFL team to the playoffs with a much worse team.
How can you look at the Jets, pats and Carolina games and think Kirk has anything remotely resembling a starting QB skill set.
YOU LIKE THAT?! YOU LIKE THAT?!
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:21 am
by Irn-Bru
hitmandm wrote:Because he actually did in 2012. You just say 2 years because it fits your point. But if you say 3 years, he did it. He won NFL OROY and carried an NFL team to the playoffs with a much worse team.
How can you look at the Jets, pats and Carolina games and think Kirk has anything remotely resembling a starting QB skill set.
<Complains that someone is cherry-picking data to fit their point.>
<Cherry-picks data to fit his point.>
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:24 am
by riggofan
Al Galdi @AlGaldi 13h13 hours ago
The game-managing & noodle-armed Kirk Cousins is the first #Redskins QB with four 300-yd passing gms in a season since Brad Johnson in '99.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:26 am
by riggofan
"Kirk’s a great player. I don’t think it’s a question any more of his talent and his potential. I just think that all of us believe in him and I think you guys should start seeing it, too. "
– Jordan Reed on how the team views Kirk Cousins.
I know its only Jordan Reed. Not SkinsJock or hitmandm, but clearly someone out there likes Cousins.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:25 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:"Kirk’s a great player. I don’t think it’s a question any more of his talent and his potential. I just think that all of us believe in him and I think you guys should start seeing it, too." Jordan Reed on how the team views Kirk Cousins.
I know its only Jordan Reed. Not SkinsJock or hitmandm - clearly someone out there likes Cousins.
I like Kirk Cousins and I believe he can be helpful here - We've had QBs before that were not great and got the job done - he can too
I'm just glad that we have him here as QB and I hope that he doesn't get too greedy about what he's worth ....
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:38 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Is this even a question at this point? It's kind of like asking "Should you pick your battles with your wife?" You don't have to but you do have to live with the consequences and you have a pretty good idea of what those will be. Unless someone has a viable alternative that doesn't involve a quarterback currently on the roster the team has to pay Kirk Cousins. McCloughan would be laughed out of the building for trying to argue Cousins hasn't done enough to justify a huge pay raise.
If I'm Scot McCloughan I give Cousins the franchise tag. I'll pay for a year to see if he's consistent and continues to develop. In the interim I get about 15 players back from IR and another round of free agency and another draft to improve the roster around him. I do not under any circumstances allow Cousins to hit the free agent market this off-season. I'm not going to get into a bidding war with other teams, even if it's just posturing on their part for the sake of raising his price tag.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:45 pm
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:I'm just glad that we have him here as QB and I hope that he doesn't get too greedy about what he's worth ....
Its not about greed. He's worth whatever the highest salary is that a team will pay him. That's sort of how economics work.
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:24 pm
by StorminMormon86
SkinsJock wrote:riggofan wrote:"Kirk’s a great player. I don’t think it’s a question any more of his talent and his potential. I just think that all of us believe in him and I think you guys should start seeing it, too." Jordan Reed on how the team views Kirk Cousins.
I know its only Jordan Reed. Not SkinsJock or hitmandm - clearly someone out there likes Cousins.
I like Kirk Cousins and I believe he can be helpful here - We've had QBs before that were not great and got the job done - he can too
I'm just glad that we have him here as QB and I hope that he doesn't get too greedy about what he's worth ....
You've openly stated repeatedly that he's not good, and a backup, and seem gleeful in the fact that he might be gone in 2016...but now you like him and are glad that he's still on the team?
Re: Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:38 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
I like the tag option.
But like Kirk, betting on himself to finish the season strong, I want to see how the year plays out.
If he finds a groove w Djac, and Crowder, and hit Garçon and Reed to allow them to get their YAC, Jones as well... Gets HOT, and takes us to the playoffs, or further?!
Then his value goes up.. if he displays consistent play, minimizing BAD plays (they happen to everyone, don't expect perfect), and continues his improvements, then I'd say pay the mofo, make him comfy, and happy, and let's go win this damn thing w/ the Cap!!