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Countertrey wrote:Next week will tell much... a game against a decent defense, that has most of a week to prepare for THIS quarterback. There's plenty of tape on Cousins... Three "meh" games last year... 7 picks, 4 TD's... I don't see that as a problem this year... When a WCO quarterback has 4 receivers who can make plays, you can't take away the "go to" guy. That really handicaps a defense. I think Kirk, bolstered by an effective run game, will pick the Eagles apart, tossing in a few downfield shots. The question is, can Haslett's crew frustrate the circus that is the Eagles O?

I'm interested to see Gruden's playbook with Cousins. I think in some ways Gruden was beginning to best utilize RGIII's talents as much as Griffin was becoming a pocket passer. Cousins is the style qb he's been more familiar with.

I was impressed how they spread the ball around to eight different receivers vs the jags. We got to show our depth at WR.

Kirk made some nice reads and got the ball out quickly last Sunday. Sure, there were a few throws he probably wanted back but he moved the ball very efficiently and got the ball out quickly. Philly will be a great test for this offense.

If they can play smart, mistake free football I think they could move the ball effectively vs Filthy. I really want to see Alfred and Helu running the ball against their front 7 and keep McCoy and Sproles sitting on the bench. I think our D is going to come out strong and fired up, but the key to this game is if our D gets long drives to rest to keep pace with the egals conditioning. Filthy has been a second half team this year. They have yet to score a first half touchdown.

This team needs to capitalize on opportunities and make sure drives end in points. This fight is going to go all four rounds.

emoses14 wrote:

grampi wrote:

emoses14 wrote:


It is precisely this line of "thinking" that pissed me off the most when I found out Griffin had gotten hurt early in the game. Its almost as if I could see it coming. . . no matter what the reason Griffin was out, the haters (and I really HATE using that term, but damn if it isn't spot on) would flock to Cousins as though he were an open flame. It's as if nothing can disavow their dogma that Griffin is a bust.

How many seasons have to be pissed away before people like you realize RG3 is a bust?

Well, at least 1. So when we get to the end of a pissed away season because of RG3, let's talk.

We're into his 3rd season, the guy can't stay healthy, and he'll never, ever be that player he was before his knee injury...why waste any more time on him?

Neo wrote:Its interesting that you don't hear this crap about Jordan Reed who is hurt far more often than Robert. Yet I don't hear people saying "bench Reed, start Niles." No, you put Reed back in the game as soon as he's healthy because he will always out perform Niles.

So why is it that this discussion comes up when RG3 goes down? Cousins is good, so is Niles, but RG3 nor Reed will ever be uprooted by them. Im very skeptical we will get to see 2012 RG3 again, but the logic i just presented in the last paragraph is evidence enough that some flat out have a personal issue with RG3. Its like a fan wanting the team to lose just to satisfy this personal vendetta. Enough with the BS...wipe and flush..




Wash those hands!

You say this as though RG3 is the man no matter what. What has Robert done since his knee injury? Absolutely nothing...

Irn-Bru wrote:

grampi wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Of course it isn't. I can guarantee you that if Kirk Cousins plays like vintage Tom Brady or Petyon Manning, he's going to remain the starter for as long as that's true. Most people, however, aren't assuming that's going to happen, which is what you are taking to be evidence that they are evidence-ignoring believers.

Personally, I don't think Cousins needs to play Manning or Brady-like to get the job...he only needs to play better than RG3 and I believe he's already doing that...

So? You said that no amount of evidence would make RGIII fans change their minds and think that Cousins should start. I've just pointed out that if Cousins plays well enough, of course nearly everyone will think he should keep playing, including the coaches who will make the call.

That means you are wrong, regardless of whether you think Cousins has already played better than RGIII.

I accept your concession and apology in advance.

I'm supposed to apologize to you because you THINK your prediction will be correct? Lol! And I wasn't talking about the fans, I was talking about the coaching staff, Dan Snyder, or whoever's calling the shots about RG3...

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Sadly. .. there are some on here who WANT rg3 to get hurt or perform badly.. for reasons unknown to probably even them selves.

It IS sad. And they just want to prove that they were right. RGIII sucks, Cousins should start, blah blah blah.

I want to be a winning team with a reliable QB. I don't want to be proven right. I want one of these QBs to prove that they're that that guy.

I think what I'm most curious to see this weekend is not how Cousins compares to RGIII. It seems to me that those two QBs could not be more different. Just different types of players with different strengths and weaknesses. Am I wrong about that?

I'm curious to see how Cousins compares to Andy Dalton. Dalton seems like a slightly better than average QB from what I've seen of him, but Gruden managed to win consistently with him at QB. Do we think Cousins can be as good as Andy Dalton?

If your answer is yes, it could be an interesting year. Especially if Alf keeps it up!

count me in the camp that just wants the team to do well no matter who is playing QB ...

right now the QB is Cousins and I hope he can manage things on the field and have some success until Griffin can play again

nobody knows if OR when Griffin will be able to play QB, so for now my hope is that Cousins can play well and stay healthy


some feel that Cousins might be a better QB than Griffin and that he might suit Gruden's style better

we shall see - my money's on Griffin coming back and being the starting QB again

unit then I'm all in on Cousins and that offensive line


playoffs?

Holy *bleep*.. OldSchool is getting his wish.

It is going to be interesting to see Cousins decision making because we all at one time or another we all will say or think RGIII would not have done that or that is what RGIII would have done. I want to see how Cousins moves the offense and to see how comfortable Cousins is with him being the man. Bottom line is Cousins or RGIII doesnt matter who is in under center, the ultimate goal is for the TEAM to win.

I'm not going to think anything but good things about Cousins - I want him to play great

there's not a doubt in my mind after the little we saw at the beginning of that game that Griffin is going to become a really good QB

Cousins is a good QB and I hope he does really well but I will not be looking for him to be great because that's not who he is

SkinsJock wrote:

there's not a doubt in my mind after the little we saw at the beginning of that game that Griffin is going to become a really good QB

For the limited time he was in, it sure looked like things were starting to click for him... shame

Countertrey wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

there's not a doubt in my mind after the little we saw at the beginning of that game that Griffin is going to become a really good QB

For the limited time he was in, it sure looked like things were starting to click for him... shame

Even his slide looked good. smh

langleyparkjoe wrote:Holy *bleep*.. OldSchool is getting his wish.

Let's be clear I wanted the Skins to start Cousins I never wished for Griffin to get hurt.

Now that Cousins is starting I like the Skin's chances of winning the division, maybe not beating Philly in Philly Sunday but I think the Skins win the division if Cousins plays the entire season.

Knowimg that the only way Cousins gets to start is if Robert got hurt.. isnt that the same thing?

Unlike trolls I support both qbs..

I hope Cousins can trully earn a REAL competition with rg when he returns by lighting up the score boards in his absence. .
-and I hope and pray for Robert to stay positive through this recovery. This freak accident has given his haters the ammo they have wanted, so the comeback kid will have to do it again.

It takes unbiased glasses to notice that the entire O was clicking regardless of who the qb was vs jax. Robert was on his way to a career day no doubt but the entire TEAM was playing goodl. No bone head fumbles by Niles, special teams were on point, and the D was spectacular. Hell Roberts numbers werent much different then Cousins vs Houston just no mistakes.

grampi wrote:We're into his 3rd season, the guy can't stay healthy, and he'll never, ever be that player he was before his knee injury...why waste any more time on him?

I kind of need to applaud this. Just so pithy and succinct. You really nailed the definitive troll comment.

Countertrey wrote: .. For the limited time he was in, it sure looked like things were starting to click for him... shame

that first run was a great way to start ...

I'm confident that he'll be monitored and when he's ready he'll be back at it ..

hopefully Cousins plays great but it will not take long for Gruden to realize that Griffin offers so much more at the position

riggofan wrote:

grampi wrote:We're into his 3rd season, the guy can't stay healthy, and he'll never, ever be that player he was before his knee injury...why waste any more time on him?

I kind of need to applaud this. Just so pithy and succinct. You really nailed the definitive troll comment.

You just can't stand it when someone has a different viewpoint than you , can you?

We can, just looking for INTELLIGENT different viewpoints.

OldSchool wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:Holy *bleep*.. OldSchool is getting his wish.

Let's be clear I wanted the Skins to start Cousins I never wished for Griffin to get hurt.

No no no, of course not.

Reality is that the ONLY way Cousins was going to play is if RG3 had gotten hurt.. I think that was known ALL over the galaxy though.

grampi wrote:

riggofan wrote:

grampi wrote:We're into his 3rd season, the guy can't stay healthy, and he'll never, ever be that player he was before his knee injury...why waste any more time on him?

I kind of need to applaud this. Just so pithy and succinct. You really nailed the definitive troll comment.

You just can't stand it when someone has a different viewpoint than you , can you?

Not when the different viewpoint is patently incorrect. He's been healthy enough to start (started 30 out of 31 games, not counting the 3 KC started last year when he was still healthy enough to start) for over 96% of his career. Stop trying to invent facts.

Deadskins wrote:Not when the different viewpoint is patently incorrect. He's been healthy enough to start (started 30 out of 31 games, not counting the 3 KC started last year when he was still healthy enough to start) for over 96% of his career. Stop trying to invent facts.

Let's set aside his propensity for being injury prone for a moment and focus on his play. Since his knee injury, his play has not been good, and it certainly hasn't been anything close to what this team needs to make them a winner...and that's a fact!

grampi wrote: .. Let's set aside his propensity for being injury prone for a moment and focus on his play. Since his knee injury, his play has not been good, and it certainly hasn't been anything close to what this team needs to make them a winner...and that's a fact!

Is it not also A FACT that the small amount of time we last saw Griffin play, he looked a lot better than we've seen in a long while?

don't bother to answer we know what we saw ...

Griffin has been getting used to playing like Gruden wants him to and he also showed in that short time that when he's used to the full advantage of all his talents, he can be a devastating weapon as a QB - Cousins offers us a very good QB but he's never going to be as good a QB as Griffin

over and out

SkinsJock wrote:

grampi wrote: .. Let's set aside his propensity for being injury prone for a moment and focus on his play. Since his knee injury, his play has not been good, and it certainly hasn't been anything close to what this team needs to make them a winner...and that's a fact!

Is it not also A FACT that the small amount of time we last saw Griffin play, he looked a lot better than we've seen in a long while?

don't bother to answer we know what we saw ...

Griffin has been getting used to playing like Gruden wants him to and he also showed in that short time that when he's used to the full advantage of all his talents, he can be a devastating weapon as a QB - Cousins offers us a very good QB but he's never going to be as good a QB as Griffin

over and out

That will be determined by number of wins...

No, just no. The quality of a QB, or which QB is better, is not determined by the number of wins a team has. That is ridiculous. That is like saying Trent Dilfer was a better QB (12-4; plus HE WON THE SUPERBOWL!!) in 2000 than Brett Farve (9-7); Peyton manning (10-6); Daunte Culpepper (11-5); and Kurt Warner (10-6), just to cherry pick a few. W-L is not the sole barometer of how good a QB is, 'cause it turns out there's 10 other guys on his team on the field with him and 11 other teammates out there when the other team is on offense, too.
So no, the simple fact of the Redskins having a good record (whatever that may mean) does not make KC a better QB than RGIII.

grampi wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Not when the different viewpoint is patently incorrect. He's been healthy enough to start (started 30 out of 31 games, not counting the 3 KC started last year when he was still healthy enough to start) for over 96% of his career. Stop trying to invent facts.

Let's set aside his propensity for being injury prone for a moment and focus on his play. Since his knee injury, his play has not been good, and it certainly hasn't been anything close to what this team needs to make them a winner...and that's a fact!

Um, no, it's not. His play the final games of 2012 was still inspired, even with the knee injury. Even in the playoff game against Seattle he was killing it, until he tweaked the knee at the end of the first quarter. And his play this season was already showing glimpses of the 2012 RGIII. Heck, you could even argue that had the team had any semblance of STs or a defense last year, that his play was good enough for the team to be a winner. Put last year's RGIII on the Seahawks, and they would have still made the playoffs. One player does not make a team. Now, that's a fact!