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Chris Luva Luva wrote:Quick question.

If the offense doesn't score any points at all this game. Is it still the defense fault?

Total team loss. Only thing we have going for us this week is Alfred Morris. Good lord this team needs a lot of help.

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Foles is clearly ahead of RG III with regard to play recognition and reading defenses. Of course, FOles is reading OUR defense, so....

Keep in mind this def makes back up look like Brady, so its not a fair comparrison..

PulpExposure wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Quick question.

If the offense doesn't score any points at all this game. Is it still the defense fault?

Total team loss. Only thing we have going for us this week is Alfred Morris. Good lord this team needs a lot of help.

It's going to be a terrible ride for the rest of the season. The media circus is coming to town.

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Foles is clearly ahead of RG III with regard to play recognition and reading defenses. Of course, FOles is reading OUR defense, so....

Look at the difference in time to read the defense though. He's got time to sit back, have a coffee, read the newspaper and then maybe throw the ball or walk up the middle for a few yards.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Foles is clearly ahead of RG III with regard to play recognition and reading defenses. Of course, FOles is reading OUR defense, so....

Keep in mind this def makes back up look like Brady, so its not a fair comparrison..

Remember, this defense made Christian Ponder look like an all star....

hanburgerheel wrote:

Mr Flit wrote:He's had 2/3 of a season to "work on" that. Off-season is not as productive as on-the-job training. I like Griffin. he's a good running QB. He is NOT worth what he was paid and is not worth the future picks. Sorry.

Finally....some logic. We gambled and lost big time. There was a reason the Colts never blinked an eye at RG3. All the butt hurt RG3 fans continue to blame the off-season. RG3 is straight up Vick 1.4 not even 2.0. We have Morris, Kerrigan...and a whole lot of rebuilding to do (still).

RG III is not Andrew Luck, never had been, never will be. A very different player to Luck. Never worked in a Pro offense, never been a pocket passer so you're always going to have teething pains with him. But he he can add those things to his game with time which is the upside you have. If you didn't draft RG III what would you have done at #6?[/quote]
I think Griffin is pretty good at running. But, he's no great passer by a long shot. If you want a triple-option/college scheme, he's perfect. He is not a very good passing QB. At least I haven't seen it.

But, overall, the team is screwed. It's hardly much better than 4 years ago. You're bound to pick up a player or two that is better than what you had. This team has regressed since Shanny & Co. took over. They had a good month last season and that's it. They almost killed Griffin trying to play his gimmick. His gimmick was harder to stop last season. Now he's not even 100% and even if he were, he's not a great passer. They lost all kinds of future picks and much-needed holes to fill elsewhere. The coaches are sub-par to boot.[/quote]

+1. This franchise is in serious trouble. Bad moves after bad moves.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Quick question.

If the offense doesn't score any points at all this game. Is it still the defense fault?

Total team loss. Only thing we have going for us this week is Alfred Morris. Good lord this team needs a lot of help.

It's going to be a terrible ride for the rest of the season. The media circus is coming to town.

With how bad the defense is, I think Haslett at the end of the season will be thrown off a bridge and then under one or two buses and will be lucky to get another coaching job in the NFL.

Mr Flit wrote:

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Foles is clearly ahead of RG III with regard to play recognition and reading defenses. Of course, FOles is reading OUR defense, so....

Look at the difference in time to read the defense though. He's got time to sit back, have a coffee, read the newspaper and then maybe throw the ball or walk up the middle for a few yards.

I was just gonna say I could sit on a toilet taking a dump and reading my morning paper and I wouldn't get hit with the pressure we get especially the push from the middle

So again...after we lose this game what are the chances Kirk gets a shot. It seems Shannahan has it backwards...RG3 is the back-up.

It amazes me how people defend and rationalize/justify this Shanahan experiment. He and his son and whoever else he brought on-board took what was working and made it worse. They picked up the highest-priced one-dimensional QB that was clearly a college player mostly. They lucked-out with Morris. They have had 3 very bad seasons and one decent season. And that decent season was mostly a fluke. Now, you can bash me because I'm "new" all you want. The reality is the same whther my post count is 1 or 10,000.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Quick question.

If the offense doesn't score any points at all this game. Is it still the defense fault?

No... You could always tell us I told you so later though. The defense still sucks no matter how badly we fail on offense today. I don't know what it is Chris. At times our defense plays ball. Most of the time our offense is good enough. We were ranked pretty high up there compared to our defense for a reason.

TimSkin wrote:

Mr Flit wrote:

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Foles is clearly ahead of RG III with regard to play recognition and reading defenses. Of course, FOles is reading OUR defense, so....

Look at the difference in time to read the defense though. He's got time to sit back, have a coffee, read the newspaper and then maybe throw the ball or walk up the middle for a few yards.

I was just gonna say I could sit on a toilet taking a dump and reading my morning paper and I wouldn't get hit with the pressure we get especially the push from the middle

I think you should photo shop this and send it to Jim Haslett

Mr Flit wrote:He's had 2/3 of a season to "work on" that. Off-season is not as productive as on-the-job training. I like Griffin. he's a good running QB. He is NOT worth what he was paid and is not worth the future picks. Sorry.

Finally....some logic. We gambled and lost big time. There was a reason the Colts never blinked an eye at RG3. All the butt hurt RG3 fans continue to blame the off-season. RG3 is straight up Vick 1.4 not even 2.0. We have Morris, Kerrigan...and a whole lot of rebuilding to do (still).[/quote]

RG III is not Andrew Luck, never had been, never will be. A very different player to Luck. Never worked in a Pro offense, never been a pocket passer so you're always going to have teething pains with him. But he he can add those things to his game with time which is the upside you have. If you didn't draft RG III what would you have done at #6?[/quote]
At this point it would not have mattered. RG3 was just another glimmer of hope that fell through. Thats called being a Skins fan.

In hindsight RGIII was a bad move. KC would have been a good fit for this team. We would have held onto two first round picks and with three first round picks could have established a solid O-line.

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Foles is clearly ahead of RG III with regard to play recognition and reading defenses. Of course, FOles is reading OUR defense, so....

Perhaps... but that is a fair comparison ONLY if Bob is getting the same time in the pocket as Foles...

RG3 has clearly gave up. What a TURD! What will it take to get Kirk in there? How bad does RG3 have to play?

Yall wanna reply to this post so bad, I know u all do. lol Don't.

Why even punt at this point?! What's the point? lol

Countertrey wrote:

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Foles is clearly ahead of RG III with regard to play recognition and reading defenses. Of course, FOles is reading OUR defense, so....

Perhaps... but that is a fair comparison ONLY if Bob is getting the same time in the pocket as Foles...

Which he is very clearly not. Foles is standing back there all day and not getting touched...

LMFAO they just pulled the game off TV. AAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

P()rter wrote:RG3 has clearly gave up. What a TURD! What will it take to get Kirk in there? How bad does RG3 have to play?

Well the only question is do you take tape away from RG IIII to help him?

PulpExposure wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Foles is clearly ahead of RG III with regard to play recognition and reading defenses. Of course, FOles is reading OUR defense, so....

Perhaps... but that is a fair comparison ONLY if Bob is getting the same time in the pocket as Foles...

Which he is very clearly not. Foles is standing back there all day and not getting touched...

Exactly which is why all the ??? with this team lead to the D. It's had money and draft picks spent to implement the 3-4 which is now a failure. You have to look at Haslett for me he's done nothing with what he's been given and the number of missed tackles this team gives up is appalling.

Mr Flit wrote:

P()rter wrote:RG3 has clearly gave up. What a TURD! What will it take to get Kirk in there? How bad does RG3 have to play?

Well the only question is do you take tape away from RG IIII to help him?

Please stop talking to him. He's a leper. lol

Mr Flit wrote:

P()rter wrote:RG3 has clearly gave up. What a TURD! What will it take to get Kirk in there? How bad does RG3 have to play?

Well the only question is do you take tape away from RG IIII to help him?

No you bench his ass. Its call Perspective!

Back to the bench you go Nick. He fumbled the first one and now this one.