Who dat? RG3! Skins/Saints Postgame Thread
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I had tears of joy. I thought RG3 looked phenomenal. I thought Garçon was awesome. Several players came up with big plays...Garçon, Banks on the 3rd down catch for a 1st, D. Youngs 4th down run for a 1st, DJ's pick (almost 6), Hall's sack, C Griffins touchback tackle fumble.
It was great, but it's just one game. Don't get me wrong, I'm EXTREMELY excited, but it's the first game of the year. Long season ahead.
It was great, but it's just one game. Don't get me wrong, I'm EXTREMELY excited, but it's the first game of the year. Long season ahead.
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Countertrey wrote:NFL rule on intentional grounding...
I suspect it's the same phenomenon that ruled when Michael Jordan "didn't" travel
It says in this here rule book thing that "Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion." Dang it... somebody done need some skoolin'...
Yeah, Sproles had a realistic chance of completion on that one.

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Deadskins wrote:Countertrey wrote:NFL rule on intentional grounding...
I suspect it's the same phenomenon that ruled when Michael Jordan "didn't" travel
It says in this here rule book thing that "Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion." Dang it... somebody done need some skoolin'...
Yeah, Sproles had a realistic chance of completion on that one.
Yeah, and there were 2 or 3 more just like that play.
How about the play in the second half when Breese, as he is being wrapped up, switched the ball to his left hand and flipped the ball in the middle of the field about half the distance to the receiver?
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Deadskins wrote:I think he was outside the tackle box on that one though. I'll look for it on the replay tonight.
I'll check again too. I thought he was still inside of it, but I'm not possitive about that.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:Deadskins wrote:Countertrey wrote:NFL rule on intentional grounding...
I suspect it's the same phenomenon that ruled when Michael Jordan "didn't" travel
It says in this here rule book thing that "Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion." Dang it... somebody done need some skoolin'...
Yeah, Sproles had a realistic chance of completion on that one.
Yeah, and there were 2 or 3 more just like that play.
How about the play in the second half when Breese, as he is being wrapped up, switched the ball to his left hand and flipped the ball in the middle of the field about half the distance to the receiver?
Brees was absolutely chucking that to avoid being sacked, but while the receiver was twice as far away, you couldn't call that intentional grounding. The arguement is that because Brees was being hit, the impact from the defender(s) affected the velocity of the throw and since the throw was in the general vicinity (i.e., it was in the direction of the receiver) it wasn't intentional grounding.
I had a rather long discussion about this with my brother and while it would have been nice to get the an IG call, we both agreed that it shouldn't have been an IG penalty.
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Deadskins wrote:He wasn't getting hit. He threw it away to avoid getting hit. And London Fletcher was closer to the throw than Sproles anyway. Definitely IG, IMO.
Are you talking about this throw:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1328 ... ins/page/3
The one I am talking about was the backhanded/lefty flip; not the one in the end zone. And with IG, it doesn't matter where the defenders are; only where the receiver is in relation to the pass. The "intention" is just as important (or even more) than what actually happens when calling an IG penalty.
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markshark84 wrote:Brees was absolutely chucking that to avoid being sacked, but while the receiver was twice as far away, you couldn't call that intentional grounding. The arguement is that because Brees was being hit, the impact from the defender(s) affected the velocity of the throw and since the throw was in the general vicinity (i.e., it was in the direction of the receiver) it wasn't intentional grounding.
While I'll agree with you, and you are correct, I will point out that I have seen less obvious IGs, while the QB is getting hit, called IG!
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skinsfan#33 wrote:markshark84 wrote:Brees was absolutely chucking that to avoid being sacked, but while the receiver was twice as far away, you couldn't call that intentional grounding. The arguement is that because Brees was being hit, the impact from the defender(s) affected the velocity of the throw and since the throw was in the general vicinity (i.e., it was in the direction of the receiver) it wasn't intentional grounding.
While I'll agree with you, and you are correct, I will point out that I have seen less obvious IGs, while the QB is getting hit, called IG!
Agree. There have been weaker IGs called.
IG is one of those things that you know it as soon as you see it. Once Brees threw that ball, IG flashed in my head -- so obviously we all knew he was just getting rid of the ball. However, Brees knows the game better than almost any player in the league and some coaches -- so he knew what he was doing. IG would have been a bad call.
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markshark84 wrote:Deadskins wrote:He wasn't getting hit. He threw it away to avoid getting hit. And London Fletcher was closer to the throw than Sproles anyway. Definitely IG, IMO.
Are you talking about this throw:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1328 ... ins/page/3
The one I am talking about was the backhanded/lefty flip; not the one in the end zone. And with IG, it doesn't matter where the defenders are; only where the receiver is in relation to the pass. The "intention" is just as important (or even more) than what actually happens when calling an IG penalty.
It was no attempt to pass the ball at all, obviously not. Absurdly not. It was closer to a fumble than an intentional pass, but not a fumble either. Not a single person in the stadium or on the field believed he was trying to pass.
It was a no guts play on the part of the officials.
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crazyhorse1 wrote:markshark84 wrote:Deadskins wrote:He wasn't getting hit. He threw it away to avoid getting hit. And London Fletcher was closer to the throw than Sproles anyway. Definitely IG, IMO.
Are you talking about this throw:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1328 ... ins/page/3
The one I am talking about was the backhanded/lefty flip; not the one in the end zone. And with IG, it doesn't matter where the defenders are; only where the receiver is in relation to the pass. The "intention" is just as important (or even more) than what actually happens when calling an IG penalty.
It was no attempt to pass the ball at all, obviously not. Absurdly not. It was closer to a fumble than an intentional pass, but not a fumble either. Not a single person in the stadium or on the field believed he was trying to pass.
It was a no guts play on the part of the officials.
Agreed. IG would not have been a bad call, just as the refs calling it on Brady in the Superbowl (when he threw it to the middle of nowhere and pretended it was a busted route) was a good call. Just because the QB is wiley doesn't mean what he does should get a pass.
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crazyhorse1 wrote:markshark84 wrote:Deadskins wrote:He wasn't getting hit. He threw it away to avoid getting hit. And London Fletcher was closer to the throw than Sproles anyway. Definitely IG, IMO.
Are you talking about this throw:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1328 ... ins/page/3
The one I am talking about was the backhanded/lefty flip; not the one in the end zone. And with IG, it doesn't matter where the defenders are; only where the receiver is in relation to the pass. The "intention" is just as important (or even more) than what actually happens when calling an IG penalty.
It was no attempt to pass the ball at all, obviously not. Absurdly not. It was closer to a fumble than an intentional pass, but not a fumble either. Not a single person in the stadium or on the field believed he was trying to pass.
It was a no guts play on the part of the officials.
Can anyone find a video of play? There was a clear flick of his hand indicating a pass. I believe he also moved his forearm and shoulder forward to produce velocity also. Sort of like a shovel pass.
Regardless there was someone in the vicinity --- which is all you need. It doesn't have to be close, as long as there was a clear effort/intent and there was by Brees. You can clearly see his hand flick the ball forward.
I'm not sure how anyone thought that Brees wasn't trying to pass the ball (whether he was trying to complete it is a different story) -- because if he wasn't trying to attampt to pass the ball, it would have clearly been a fumble. You need to have unassisted forward hand movement in order to throw and if he wasn't trying to move his hand forward during the play, it would have clearly been a fumble (and no, the defender did not cause his hand to move forward, because that too would have been considered a forced fumble).
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I didn't really have a problem with that one. He was going down as he threw it. That could have resulted in it being off target enough to get a pass on an IG call. To me the one in the end-zone was a no-brainer safety, though. He totally threw the ball at the feet of his center who was back in the end-zone with him. London Fletcher was bearing down on him and in between him and the closest eligible receiver (Sproles). It almost looked as if he was clocking the ball, except he was already a couple of seconds into the play.
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Irn-Bru wrote:crazyhorse1 wrote:markshark84 wrote:Deadskins wrote:He wasn't getting hit. He threw it away to avoid getting hit. And London Fletcher was closer to the throw than Sproles anyway. Definitely IG, IMO.
Are you talking about this throw:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1328 ... ins/page/3
The one I am talking about was the backhanded/lefty flip; not the one in the end zone. And with IG, it doesn't matter where the defenders are; only where the receiver is in relation to the pass. The "intention" is just as important (or even more) than what actually happens when calling an IG penalty.
It was no attempt to pass the ball at all, obviously not. Absurdly not. It was closer to a fumble than an intentional pass, but not a fumble either. Not a single person in the stadium or on the field believed he was trying to pass.
It was a no guts play on the part of the officials.
Agreed. IG would not have been a bad call, just as the refs calling it on Brady in the Superbowl (when he threw it to the middle of nowhere and pretended it was a busted route) was a good call. Just because the QB is wiley doesn't mean what he does should get a pass.
It would have been a bad call.
See the photo:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1328 ... ins/page/3
See Rule 8, Section 2, Art. 1, Item 2 (pg. 54 of PDF, I believe).
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pu ... Fumble.pdf
Or even the last sentence of Section 2, Art. 1 Definition (although not supported above).
The call would not have been within the purview of the rules. In Brady's situation, he was not being hit nor was the ball in the direction or vicinity as Brees' was. If the QB is wiley, understanding the rules, and act based on the rules, he should not be penalized playing within the rules and using them to his advantage.
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markshark84 wrote:It would have been a bad call.
See the photo:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1328 ... ins/page/3
My bad; I thought we were talking about the one in the end zone.
DarthMonk wrote:HarleyHog wrote:oj wrote:One play that continues to bug me and i hope you guys can explain it. I believe it was 1st quarter, New orleans was backed up in thier own endzone, maybe 3rd down. Brew Brees dropped back to pass in his own endzone, the recievers were covered and he threw the ball away (at the ground and landed about at the line of scrimmage i believe) to avoid the sack.
He was within the hash marks to avoid intentional grounding, but why wasn't this a safety?
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Actually, Brees was trying to set up a screen to Sproules, but London was all over it. The pass was towards the receiver, but deliberately grounded. The replay from the endzone showed it was not IG. as the receiver was within a couple yards.
There is the "by the rule" grounding and then there is a QB throwing the ball to the ground on purpose. Brees did the latter on the endzone play
OK, I just watched the end-zone play again, and it couldn't be more obviously IG. It happened a little bit differently than I had remembered it, but there was no question that his "throw" was not even close to having "a realistic chance of completion."
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Like I said, he was being tackled as he threw it, and I believe he was out of the tackle box anyway. No IG. But the play in the end-zone on the other hand...
I thought he was inside the tackle box. Kind of hard to flip the ball into the center of the field, left handed of you're outside of the tackle box.
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Deadskins wrote:Countertrey wrote:NFL rule on intentional grounding...
I suspect it's the same phenomenon that ruled when Michael Jordan "didn't" travel
It says in this here rule book thing that "Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion." Dang it... somebody done need some skoolin'...
Yeah, Sproles had a realistic chance of completion on that one.
What are you saying? I know that Sprole's back was to Brees. It's unfortunate that sarcasm is so lost on some...

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skinsfan#33 wrote:Deadskins wrote:
Like I said, he was being tackled as he threw it, and I believe he was out of the tackle box anyway. No IG. But the play in the end-zone on the other hand...
I thought he was inside the tackle box. Kind of hard to flip the ball into the center of the field, left handed of you're outside of the tackle box.
OK just watched this play again, and Brees was definitely inside the tackle box, and it was definitely IG too. This one was even more blatant than the end-zone play, as there wasn't an eligible receiver within 10 yards of the throw.
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Deadskins wrote:Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:Oh thank the good Lord!![]()
Rebroadcast (NFL Network Replay style; 1.5 hours) of the game tomorrow night at 8pm.
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I just discovered something even better than replay. It's Sunday Ticket Short Cuts. 30 minutes, just the plays from the snap to the whistle, no commercials.
It took me two hours to get through cause I kept rewinding and playing each snap to watch everything. Great way to watch the game.
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