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INT by Cousins

even w the INT.... Cousins > Grossdoode

INT by Rookie CB Crawford

CRAWFORD!!?

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:under throw to BB, that was 6 if RGIII threw it!

I think that Banks was blanketed on that play. He did well to come back for it.

True.

Listen, I hate to be the negative one, because I like Banks, but what we're seeing is that Banks needs a perfectly thrown ball to contribute. They've thrown to him quite a few times now and he hasn't come close to making a play on the ball. He's even had his hands on it a few times and still didn't come down with the ball. At his size, he's not going to out-jump anyone, doesn't have the strength to muscle the ball for a catch when the DB makes a play on the ball and gets knocked down easily when he and the DB are fighting for the catch.

Weve seen some turrable passes from RexGiii... that long pass, could have been 6 if it was deeper, only thing is RexGiii doesnt have deeper

Agreed, that pass by Rex was under-thrown, but Banks was blanketed on that play. And sometimes WR's have to go up for a catch, something Banks can't do. But it's early. I'm still pulling for the kid.

Haslett and Morris have raved about SMU Rookie CB Richard Crawford

cowboykillerzRED wrote:even w the INT.... Cousins > Grossdoode

Agreed. Before that one pass, Cousins was looking pretty good.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:under throw to BB, that was 6 if RGIII threw it!

I think that Banks was blanketed on that play. He did well to come back for it.

True.

Listen, I hate to be the negative one, because I like Banks, but what we're seeing is that Banks needs a perfectly thrown ball to contribute. They've thrown to him quite a few times now and he hasn't come close to making a play on the ball. He's even had his hands on it a few times and still didn't come down with the ball. At his size, he's not going to out-jump anyone, doesn't have the strength to muscle the ball for a catch when the DB makes a play on the ball and gets knocked down easily when he and the DB are fighting for the catch.

There is plenty of negative to see about Banks's performance, but you are not hitting on the proper negatives for Wideouts. Here's what you might be talking about - he keeps slipping - he needs to work on route running. He needs to come back for the ball on his routes - again route running. There were positives - he knows how to work his feet on the sidelines. He knows how to find the ball and make a play on it.

But -

Your criticisms focus on his size - out muscling and out jumping? C'mon. No coach is expecting him to do that. If you keep a receiver like Banks, you run routes to his strengths - bubble screens and and deep posts.

Tonight, they are looking at him in the regular offense. He is showing his weakness - route running and that comes from not being in a offense that emphasized.

Vick hurts his hand on a helmet

SkinsFreak wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:under throw to BB, that was 6 if RGIII threw it!

I think that Banks was blanketed on that play. He did well to come back for it.

True.

Listen, I hate to be the negative one, because I like Banks, but what we're seeing is that Banks needs a perfectly thrown ball to contribute. They've thrown to him quite a few times now and he hasn't come close to making a play on the ball. He's even had his hands on it a few times and still didn't come down with the ball. At his size, he's not going to out-jump anyone, doesn't have the strength to muscle the ball for a catch when the DB makes a play on the ball and gets knocked down easily when he and the DB are fighting for the catch.

Weve seen some turrable passes from RexGiii... that long pass, could have been 6 if it was deeper, only thing is RexGiii doesnt have deeper

Agreed, that pass by Rex was under-thrown, but Banks was blanketed on that play. And sometimes WR's have to go up for a catch, something Banks can't do. But it's early. I'm still pulling for the kid.

NO DOUBT! If that was the only pass that was available id want ONLY Hanktime going up for it... BUT BB had a step, and IMO if he didnt have to break stride and come back, he woulda earned a step or two more and would have been GONE! i think we agree ultimately, just wish BB had half a chance on that one

SkinsFreak wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:under throw to BB, that was 6 if RGIII threw it!

I think that Banks was blanketed on that play. He did well to come back for it.

True.

Listen, I hate to be the negative one, because I like Banks, but what we're seeing is that Banks needs a perfectly thrown ball to contribute. They've thrown to him quite a few times now and he hasn't come close to making a play on the ball. He's even had his hands on it a few times and still didn't come down with the ball. At his size, he's not going to out-jump anyone, doesn't have the strength to muscle the ball for a catch when the DB makes a play on the ball and gets knocked down easily when he and the DB are fighting for the catch.

Weve seen some turrable passes from RexGiii... that long pass, could have been 6 if it was deeper, only thing is RexGiii doesnt have deeper

Agreed, that pass by Rex was under-thrown, but Banks was blanketed on that play. And sometimes WR's have to go up for a catch, something Banks can't do. But it's early. I'm still pulling for the kid.

If you watch the replay of that play - Banks was blanketed, but he found the ball and came back for it. He got his hands on it - yes, a stronger receiver might have pulled it down. On that route you are looking to see if Banks knows how to get open on a go route - Banks learned there that his shear speed is not enough to get open, he needs to develop a move to separate even on a go.

spudstr04 wrote:Vick hurts his hand on a helmet

is it sand lot hurt- FOR EV ERRRR ???? lol

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

spudstr04 wrote:Vick hurts his hand on a helmet

is it sand lot hurt- FOR EV ERRRR ???? lol

DYNASTY

1st half -

What I liked:

D line

LBs

Pass Blocking

RGIII - looked poised out there. All of his passes were on target - INCs - one drop (but defender made a good play) and one caught out of bounds

Didn't like:

O line blocking - however Bills O line blocking didn't look good either - that could be one of those D is ahead of the O things.

Monty -he was getting blown back into the backfield

Banks - needs to work on running routes something fierce

Red_One43 wrote:Your criticisms focus on his size - out muscling and out jumping? C'mon. No coach is expecting him to do that.

You're right, they may not expect that from Banks, but coaches DO expect that from receivers in general.

Red_One43 wrote: If you keep a receiver like Banks, you run routes to his strengths - bubble screens and and deep posts.

Thank you for making my point. If a WR is so small that he can only offer 2 routes such as a bubble screen or a deep post, then said WR doesn't have the very basic versatility of a WR to take up a roster spot.

Bernstine on the stop

Red_One43 wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:under throw to BB, that was 6 if RGIII threw it!

I think that Banks was blanketed on that play. He did well to come back for it.

True.

Listen, I hate to be the negative one, because I like Banks, but what we're seeing is that Banks needs a perfectly thrown ball to contribute. They've thrown to him quite a few times now and he hasn't come close to making a play on the ball. He's even had his hands on it a few times and still didn't come down with the ball. At his size, he's not going to out-jump anyone, doesn't have the strength to muscle the ball for a catch when the DB makes a play on the ball and gets knocked down easily when he and the DB are fighting for the catch.

Weve seen some turrable passes from RexGiii... that long pass, could have been 6 if it was deeper, only thing is RexGiii doesnt have deeper

Agreed, that pass by Rex was under-thrown, but Banks was blanketed on that play. And sometimes WR's have to go up for a catch, something Banks can't do. But it's early. I'm still pulling for the kid.

If you watch the replay of that play - Banks was blanketed, but he found the ball and came back for it. He got his hands on it - yes, a stronger receiver might have pulled it down. On that route you are looking to see if Banks knows how to get open on a go route - Banks learned there that his shear speed is not enough to get open, he needs to develop a move to separate even on a go.

he had at least a step or two or four.. put over his head where only he can catch it and its 6. game set point match all a dat!

Hit stick and a half by 25 (Jones?)

SkinsFreak wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:Your criticisms focus on his size - out muscling and out jumping? C'mon. No coach is expecting him to do that.

You're right, they may not expect that from Banks, but coaches DO expect that from receivers in general.

Red_One43 wrote: If you keep a receiver like Banks, you run routes to his strengths - bubble screens and and deep posts.

Thank you for making my point. If a WR is so small that he can only offer 2 routes such as a bubble screen or a deep post, then said WR doesn't have the very basic versatility of a WR to take up a roster spot.

We are in agreement here. What Banks can do as a WR has to be coupled with what he can do as a return man VS What the other wideouts, battling for the 5th and 6th spots, can do coupled with what they can do as return men.

We are in agreement that Banks has not looked good as a wideout - But I have noticed that you have chosen to critigue things that are given. Don't know if you are listening to the telecast - joey T is talking about the things that I have written about.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:under throw to BB, that was 6 if RGIII threw it!

I think that Banks was blanketed on that play. He did well to come back for it.

True.

Listen, I hate to be the negative one, because I like Banks, but what we're seeing is that Banks needs a perfectly thrown ball to contribute. They've thrown to him quite a few times now and he hasn't come close to making a play on the ball. He's even had his hands on it a few times and still didn't come down with the ball. At his size, he's not going to out-jump anyone, doesn't have the strength to muscle the ball for a catch when the DB makes a play on the ball and gets knocked down easily when he and the DB are fighting for the catch.

Weve seen some turrable passes from RexGiii... that long pass, could have been 6 if it was deeper, only thing is RexGiii doesnt have deeper

Agreed, that pass by Rex was under-thrown, but Banks was blanketed on that play. And sometimes WR's have to go up for a catch, something Banks can't do. But it's early. I'm still pulling for the kid.

If you watch the replay of that play - Banks was blanketed, but he found the ball and came back for it. He got his hands on it - yes, a stronger receiver might have pulled it down. On that route you are looking to see if Banks knows how to get open on a go route - Banks learned there that his shear speed is not enough to get open, he needs to develop a move to separate even on a go.

he had at least a step or two or four.. put over his head where only he can catch it and its 6. game set point match all a dat!

CKR, I am not seeing him pulling ahead - That DB was right with him. Perhpas a stronger arm would have allowed him to get by, but how the play played out, he was blanketed. Joey T saw it that way as well.

Is it not a glaring fact the BB CAN get open but is not big enough for a jump ball?? even cousins woulda made a few completions to him... BB for number 6!!!! or 5!

Goodd Mobility Cuz

Red_One43 wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:under throw to BB, that was 6 if RGIII threw it!

I think that Banks was blanketed on that play. He did well to come back for it.

True.

Listen, I hate to be the negative one, because I like Banks, but what we're seeing is that Banks needs a perfectly thrown ball to contribute. They've thrown to him quite a few times now and he hasn't come close to making a play on the ball. He's even had his hands on it a few times and still didn't come down with the ball. At his size, he's not going to out-jump anyone, doesn't have the strength to muscle the ball for a catch when the DB makes a play on the ball and gets knocked down easily when he and the DB are fighting for the catch.

Weve seen some turrable passes from RexGiii... that long pass, could have been 6 if it was deeper, only thing is RexGiii doesnt have deeper

Agreed, that pass by Rex was under-thrown, but Banks was blanketed on that play. And sometimes WR's have to go up for a catch, something Banks can't do. But it's early. I'm still pulling for the kid.

If you watch the replay of that play - Banks was blanketed, but he found the ball and came back for it. He got his hands on it - yes, a stronger receiver might have pulled it down. On that route you are looking to see if Banks knows how to get open on a go route - Banks learned there that his shear speed is not enough to get open, he needs to develop a move to separate even on a go.

he had at least a step or two or four.. put over his head where only he can catch it and its 6. game set point match all a dat!

CKR, I am not seeing him pulling ahead - That DB was right with him. Perhpas a stronger arm would have allowed him to get by, but how the play played out, he was blanketed. Joey T saw it that way as well.

the joey T card??? COME ON NOW MAN!!! lol doode he had him beat and a deeper probably a lot deeper ball was BBs for the taking. had Garcon and hanktime been in he woulda had a better match up. No way in hell is that play a knock on Banks. please provide a clip and we all can judge

im blinded by bias and poor interweb streaming for what its worth lmao

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Is it not a glaring fact the BB CAN get open but is not big enough for a jump ball?? even cousins woulda made a few completions to him... BB for number 6!!!! or 5!

I am with you on BB for 5 or 6th. Nothing I have seen has changed my mind. BB knows that he needs work on route running. BB will grow a lot during this TC, because he has a strong work ethic.

I believe the coaches are not just looking at how he does. I believe that another goal is for him to work on his weakness - get it on film to teach him.

Next game will be somebody else like Robinson.