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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:31 pm
by 1niksder
yupchagee wrote:cowboykillerzRED wrote:*heavier? Wow.. so much for those "early reports"
Redskins.con lists
ey at 237#, Hank at 205#. I don't think that is heavier than last yr.
I thought it was reported that
ey had lost weight.
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:03 am
by Red_One43
yupchagee wrote:cowboykillerzRED wrote:*heavier? Wow.. so much for those "early reports"
Redskins.con lists
ey at 237#, Hank at 205#. I don't think that is heavier than last yr.
Froom the article:
The Washington Redskins released an updated roster on Wednesday after players reported to the team’s facility for physicals in advance of Thursday’s start to training camp.
ey, Chris
TE
237 Season
243 Wednesday (July 25)
Your choice - do you want to go with Redskins.com (that doesn't say that they updated the weights) or the article that says that the weights are from Wednesdays weigh-in?
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:12 am
by Red_One43
1niksder wrote:yupchagee wrote:cowboykillerzRED wrote:*heavier? Wow.. so much for those "early reports"
Redskins.con lists
ey at 237#, Hank at 205#. I don't think that is heavier than last yr.
I thought it was reported that
ey had lost weight.
Those reports were during the OTAs. Apparently, he put 6 pounds on since then. After today's practice, does anyone think that he still is 6 pounds over 237?
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:39 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Man I hope Captain Chaos makes a big comeback, so far the early signs are looking decent.. but is there any camp reports out on him?
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:42 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Reports so far are that Hank has been full speed... I'm will continue to hope for my boy RIC to be dead effing wrong.
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:22 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
I think it's safe to say at this point that these two rumors are false. The media hounds would have been all over this if it had been true.
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:56 pm
by skinpride1
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:29 pm
by 1niksder
The New Rumor is he's headed to the Black Hole... it's only a rumor
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:47 pm
by skinpride1
There is also a rumor going around about a trade with the Raiders for a very good saftey and
ey and another player could be involved.
Rumors you never know what they may lead to.
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:50 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Where u guys hearing this?? My good friend is a die hard raider fan, I'd think he'd be going nuts if he read even a hint of a rumor
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:59 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Apparently Danny boy just said we were in talks with oaktown and didn't mention anyones name. It seems hogshaven made a guess at Chris
ey being involved, I guess we shall see.
http://mobile.bayarea.sbnation.com/oakl ... -tight-end
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:04 pm
by 1niksder
Someone in Oakland let
ey's name slip
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:17 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Any good links?
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:18 pm
by Red_One43
Since everyone is starting rumors and a TE is supposedly going to be traded - I say it is
Fred Davis. Trade him while he has value. Don't have to deal with his contract next year or worry about him staying out of trouble. Paul is your deep threat and
ey is your possession guy and Paulsen is your blocker.
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:34 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
The staff would have to be REALLY up on a guy they just tagged.. I don't want either to go but fear it probably is Captain Chaos and he has a probowl year. I'd prefer it be AAA if anyone
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:40 pm
by ATX_Skins
Red_One43 wrote:Since everyone is starting rumors and a TE is supposedly going to be traded - I say it is
Fred Davis. Trade him while he has value. Don't have to deal with his contract next year or worry about him staying out of trouble. Paul is your deep threat and
ey is your possession guy and Paulsen is your blocker.
I strongly disagree with a trade of Fred Davis. I think if a team offers anything at this point for
ey we do it. As the rumor stated, if we can trade player for player and get a safety out of the deal that would work for me.
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:57 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
What safety is 1. An improvement over who we have and 2. Worth shipping CC out for? I'll throw olinemen in that question too. The Raiders aren't a team I think of as stacked at safety, or of having a great oline by any means...
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:31 pm
by Red_One43
ATX_Skins wrote:Red_One43 wrote:Since everyone is starting rumors and a TE is supposedly going to be traded - I say it is
Fred Davis. Trade him while he has value. Don't have to deal with his contract next year or worry about him staying out of trouble. Paul is your deep threat and
ey is your possession guy and Paulsen is your blocker.
I strongly disagree with a trade of Fred Davis. I think if a team offers anything at this point for
ey we do it. As the rumor stated, if we can trade player for player and get a safety out of the deal that would work for me.
It was saidthat the Raiders are trying to save cap space, so unless a new team can negotiate a long term contract for franchised player, Fred ain't going nowhere.
I respect your disagreement .
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:33 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
If a trade happened w
ey who pays
ey this year? isn't his cap hit pretty high?
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:37 pm
by Red_One43
cowboykillerzRED wrote:The staff would have to be REALLY up on a guy they just tagged.. I don't want either to go but fear it probably is Captain Chaos and he has a probowl year. I'd prefer it be AAA if anyone
I find it hard to believe that a team would be thinking about
ey this early.
It would seem like the receiver position would be more likely with Bey having issues. Also, the Raiders like the long ball (don't know if that is still true with Al Davis having passed), I would think that AAA would be a good bet.
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:13 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
I was kinda proud of myself for thinking wr instead of TE
,I guess time will tell. I do know we often trade w Oaktown so these "talks" probably happen yearly and may or may NOT equate to roster moves.
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:22 pm
by yupchagee
Red_One43 wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:Red_One43 wrote:Since everyone is starting rumors and a TE is supposedly going to be traded - I say it is
Fred Davis. Trade him while he has value. Don't have to deal with his contract next year or worry about him staying out of trouble. Paul is your deep threat and
ey is your possession guy and Paulsen is your blocker.
I strongly disagree with a trade of Fred Davis. I think if a team offers anything at this point for
ey we do it. As the rumor stated, if we can trade player for player and get a safety out of the deal that would work for me.
It was saidthat the Raiders are trying to save cap space, so unless a new team can negotiate a long term contract for franchised player, Fred ain't going nowhere.
I respect your disagreement .
If true, that would eliminate both Davis &
ey.
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:57 pm
by 1niksder
yupchagee wrote:Red_One43 wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:Red_One43 wrote:Since everyone is starting rumors and a TE is supposedly going to be traded - I say it is
Fred Davis. Trade him while he has value. Don't have to deal with his contract next year or worry about him staying out of trouble. Paul is your deep threat and
ey is your possession guy and Paulsen is your blocker.
I strongly disagree with a trade of Fred Davis. I think if a team offers anything at this point for
ey we do it. As the rumor stated, if we can trade player for player and get a safety out of the deal that would work for me.
It was saidthat the Raiders are trying to save cap space, so unless a new team can negotiate a long term contract for franchised player, Fred ain't going nowhere.
I respect your disagreement .
If true, that would eliminate both Davis &
ey.
+1
Davis would eat up $5.4M where ever he landed and
ey would be $3.4M
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:20 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Niksder- when a team trades for a player they take on that players cap hit right? Do they have a safety or oline player who is around or just above
eys cap hit that would even spark this kind of talk?
I'd be good w AAA for a right tackle back up, personally I hope that's what it is.
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:59 pm
by 1niksder
cowboykillerzRED wrote:Niksder- when a team trades for a player they take on that players cap hit right?
The contract goes with the player but as far as the cap goes...
The new team only takes on the players base salaries and future option/roster bonuses not already paid
cowboykillerzRED wrote:Do they have a safety or oline player who is around or just above
eys cap hit that would even spark this kind of talk?
I'd be good w AAA for a right tackle back up, personally I hope that's what it is.
I heard the target player is/was RT Joseph Barksdale....
He signed a 4 yr deal last year worth $2.5M with a $540K signing bonus. the would have to pay him $465k,$555K, and $645K over the next three years. The Raiders would have to account for $405K ($135K this year and $270K next year in dead cap) that is the pro-rated money left from the signing bonus.
Technically the Raiders would clear $330K in cap space by trading Barksdale this season.
Moving
ey would free up his $3.8M base salary but the cap hit would be $2.43M in 2012 and $1.64M next year.
This trade would add $3.47M to the Raiders 2012 cap and free up $905K in space for Redskins this year.