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Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:I am saying that there are no where near enough footballs to go around for ey to get 60 balls.

That's absurd. There's easily enough for ey to get 60 with the WRs getting theirs. The only player who might limit ey's catches is Fred Davis. IF ey can't get in the game, he can't catch the ball.

Oh, don't forget the backs getting theirs. Helu had, if not 50 catches, close to it.

So tell me how easily it is for a second string TE who is reportedly slower this year is going to get his 60.

Footballs to receivers, TEs, backs - Garcon? Davis? Moss? Morgan? Hank? How many footballs for the rest of them?

How may times to you think RGIII is going to crank it up next year?
Will Shanny finally emphasize the run which is his MO?
How effective will the offense control the ball? Are we with the Patriots in offensive plays/

Why did Shanny emphasize getting receiver in FA?
Why did Shanny switch Paul to TE?
Shanny is gearing up for Shanny ball this year.

Now, add all those balls up and the emphasis on the offense this year and tell how a second string TE/FB is going to get 60 catches.
Tel your rationale.

Here's the stats for the Redskins for the last two season to see how the has been distributed the last couple of years.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/wsh/year/2010
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins

See, here is the thing, everyone is assuming that ey is they second string TE. He might start out that way, but Davis has NEVER even come close to catching more passes than ey (if both are healthy). As far as him being slower (as reported by the media; us that even true or are they just assuming he should be slower), he was never fast and always found ways to get open - that won't change!

ATX_Skins wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

TE Chris ey lined up at fullback during one play on which the Redskins practiced third-and-1 situations. ey took the handoff and got a first down. We saw that last year in the Monday night game against Dallas, too.

ey’s versatility as a fullback is a significant asset in his push to make the team. If the Redskins keep one fullback, Darrel Young, ey could be the backup, just as Mike Sellers was last year. It gives ey an edge over all the other tight ends.

This is why I think we keep 4 TEs. ey is kind of in the role of Sellers for last year - the versatile guy. Don't know if he can keep his salary in this role.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/red ... report-83/

Sellers was never a 60-70 catch guy, but Chris will be (AT WORST) a 60 catch guy if he plays all 16 games. He will have more catches than Paulsen, Paul, Armstrang, Banks, Austiin, and Robinson combined.

There is no eveidence that he will be anything other than a 60-80 catch guy. Everyone is ASSuming that he will have a significantly reduced role... he won't! He will prove, like he always has, that he is better than Davis and all but a few TEs in the NFL.

Get serious...

I am.

I might end up being wrong, but ey's past performance is what I'm using as a reference to make those statements.

No I haven't been drinking (not even the hater-aid that you drink)!

SkinsJock wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote: Sellers was never a 60-70 catch guy, but Chris will be (AT WORST) a 60 catch guy if he plays all 16 games. He will have more catches than Paulsen, Paul, Armstrong, Banks, Austiin, and Robinson combined.

There is no evidence that he will be anything other than a 60-80 catch guy. Everyone is ASSuming that he will have a significantly reduced role... he won't! He will prove, like he always has, that he is better than Davis and all but a few TEs in the NFL.

are you serious ... or a close relative

I'm a ey fan and I hope that he's able to show that he can still help the offense

AND

that he'll take less money

but ...

He isn't going to need to take less money (not this year anyhow). He will be on the team at his current salary. They would have already asked him to take a pay cut if they were going to.

ey doesn't have to show that he can help the offense. He had right years that show that he can. What you meant to say is he might end up showing that he can no longer help the offense. But until he does, I think it is irrevocable and disrespectful to assume he won't be able to!

Red_One43 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

TE Chris ey lined up at fullback during one play on which the Redskins practiced third-and-1 situations. ey took the handoff and got a first down. We saw that last year in the Monday night game against Dallas, too.

ey’s versatility as a fullback is a significant asset in his push to make the team. If the Redskins keep one fullback, Darrel Young, ey could be the backup, just as Mike Sellers was last year. It gives ey an edge over all the other tight ends.

This is why I think we keep 4 TEs. ey is kind of in the role of Sellers for last year - the versatile guy. Don't know if he can keep his salary in this role.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/red ... report-83/

Sellers was never a 60-70 catch guy, but Chris will be (AT WORST) a 60 catch guy if he plays all 16 games. He will have more catches than Paulsen, Paul, Armstrang, Banks, Austiin, and Robinson combined.

There is no eveidence that he will be anything other than a 60-80 catch guy. Everyone is ASSuming that he will have a significantly reduced role... he won't! He will prove, like he always has, that he is better than Davis and all but a few TEs in the NFL.

No Evidence?
Allow me to introduce Exhibits::

1. Fred Davis
2. Pierre Garcon
3. Santana Moss
4. Leonard Hankerson
5. Niles Paul
6. Josh Morgan

Now, I am not saying that all of these guys will catch more footballs than ey. I am saying that there are no where near enough footballs to go around for ey to get 60 balls.

Exhibit 7: This isn't Gronk and Hernanez! Even with a healthy Davis and ey, the Skins have never successfully run the two TE set that everyone has talked about since they became teammates. The Two TE set will be Davis and Paul. That TE Tandem fits the Shanny O.

Why wood you assume that the two TE sets will be FD and Paul. Paul has been practicing Davis' type of routes. He fits that role much better than ley's. I don't see Paul getting on the field much, unless Davis gets hurt.

I would put a large chunk of money that ey will catch more balls than half the players on your list if he plays all 16 games.

Look I'm not trying to be biased, I'm trying not to be. Until ey proves that he is no longer a probowl level TE I will assume he will be that. To do anything else would be being biased against ey. I'm not going to assume his production will dramatically drop off.

As far as having enough balls to go around. They will go to the players that make plays and that has always been ey.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

TE Chris ey lined up at fullback during one play on which the Redskins practiced third-and-1 situations. ey took the handoff and got a first down. We saw that last year in the Monday night game against Dallas, too.

ey’s versatility as a fullback is a significant asset in his push to make the team. If the Redskins keep one fullback, Darrel Young, ey could be the backup, just as Mike Sellers was last year. It gives ey an edge over all the other tight ends.

This is why I think we keep 4 TEs. ey is kind of in the role of Sellers for last year - the versatile guy. Don't know if he can keep his salary in this role.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/red ... report-83/

Sellers was never a 60-70 catch guy, but Chris will be (AT WORST) a 60 catch guy if he plays all 16 games. He will have more catches than Paulsen, Paul, Armstrang, Banks, Austiin, and Robinson combined.

There is no eveidence that he will be anything other than a 60-80 catch guy. Everyone is ASSuming that he will have a significantly reduced role... he won't! He will prove, like he always has, that he is better than Davis and all but a few TEs in the NFL.

Get serious...

I am.

I might end up being wrong, but ey's past performance is what I'm using as a reference to make those statements.

No I haven't been drinking (not even the hater-aid that you drink)!

I am not a ey hater. It would be great to see him back to his old form, BUT IT WILL NOT HAPPEN!

The only people that should be wearing ey jerseys are middle aged housewives living in Ashburn.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

TE Chris ey lined up at fullback during one play on which the Redskins practiced third-and-1 situations. ey took the handoff and got a first down. We saw that last year in the Monday night game against Dallas, too.

ey’s versatility as a fullback is a significant asset in his push to make the team. If the Redskins keep one fullback, Darrel Young, ey could be the backup, just as Mike Sellers was last year. It gives ey an edge over all the other tight ends.

This is why I think we keep 4 TEs. ey is kind of in the role of Sellers for last year - the versatile guy. Don't know if he can keep his salary in this role.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/red ... report-83/

Sellers was never a 60-70 catch guy, but Chris will be (AT WORST) a 60 catch guy if he plays all 16 games. He will have more catches than Paulsen, Paul, Armstrang, Banks, Austiin, and Robinson combined.

There is no eveidence that he will be anything other than a 60-80 catch guy. Everyone is ASSuming that he will have a significantly reduced role... he won't! He will prove, like he always has, that he is better than Davis and all but a few TEs in the NFL.

No Evidence?
Allow me to introduce Exhibits::

1. Fred Davis
2. Pierre Garcon
3. Santana Moss
4. Leonard Hankerson
5. Niles Paul
6. Josh Morgan

Now, I am not saying that all of these guys will catch more footballs than ey. I am saying that there are no where near enough footballs to go around for ey to get 60 balls.

Exhibit 7: This isn't Gronk and Hernanez! Even with a healthy Davis and ey, the Skins have never successfully run the two TE set that everyone has talked about since they became teammates. The Two TE set will be Davis and Paul. That TE Tandem fits the Shanny O.

Why wood you assume that the two TE sets will be FD and Paul. Paul has been practicing Davis' type of routes. He fits that role much better than ley's. I don't see Paul getting on the field much, unless Davis gets hurt.

I would put a large chunk of money that ey will catch more balls than half the players on your list if he plays all 16 games.

Look I'm not trying to be biased, I'm trying not to be. Until ey proves that he is no longer a probowl level TE I will assume he will be that. To do anything else would be being biased against ey. I'm not going to assume his production will dramatically drop off.

As far as having enough balls to go around. They will go to the players that make plays and that has always been ey.

You are biased and that is fine, but the reports coming out of camp are not supporting a revitalized ey. He is playing with the second stringers and not looking like his old self. Two, in order for the ey to get significant TE time, the Redskins would have to run a two TE set for a significant part of the offense. Did they run that in 2010? Did they run it when ey was healthy in 2011? Until Shanny proves that he is running a two TE set for a significant part of the O, like the Pats, I will assume that he won't. To do anything against that would be biased (not that there is anything wrong with that). ey is coming off an injury. Any player coming off an injury must show that he is back or there will be doubts - Hightower, Jenkins, Bowen etc. The difference with ey is he is 30 years old or almost 30.

So, go ahead and cheer ey on! I wouldn't try to change your mind, but I like to call it like I read it in the reports and what I know about players coming of a serious injury. ey is a long shot to regain, his 2010 form.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:I am saying that there are no where near enough footballs to go around for ey to get 60 balls.

That's absurd. There's easily enough for ey to get 60 with the WRs getting theirs. The only player who might limit ey's catches is Fred Davis. IF ey can't get in the game, he can't catch the ball.

Oh, don't forget the backs getting theirs. Helu had, if not 50 catches, close to it.

So tell me how easily it is for a second string TE who is reportedly slower this year is going to get his 60.

Footballs to receivers, TEs, backs - Garcon? Davis? Moss? Morgan? Hank? How many footballs for the rest of them?

How may times to you think RGIII is going to crank it up next year?
Will Shanny finally emphasize the run which is his MO?
How effective will the offense control the ball? Are we with the Patriots in offensive plays/

Why did Shanny emphasize getting receiver in FA?
Why did Shanny switch Paul to TE?
Shanny is gearing up for Shanny ball this year.

Now, add all those balls up and the emphasis on the offense this year and tell how a second string TE/FB is going to get 60 catches.
Tel your rationale.

Here's the stats for the Redskins for the last two season to see how the has been distributed the last couple of years.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/wsh/year/2010
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins

See, here is the thing, everyone is assuming that ey is they second string TE. He might start out that way, but Davis has NEVER even come close to catching more passes than ey (if both are healthy). As far as him being slower (as reported by the media; us that even true or are they just assuming he should be slower), he was never fast and always found ways to get open - that won't change!

When a player works with the second team, it is a fair assumption that he is second string. The Skins paid Fred more money than ey for this season, because they feel that he is their guy. Fred is the Skins GUY at TE until ey or Paul beats him out. The two TE set is not the offense here, but only a package. The only assumption here is you think that ey will rise back to 2010 form. What Skins fan doesn't want this? Where is the evidence that leads you to believe that he has regained that form?

frankcal20 wrote:I thought it was reported he looks faster this year than the last couple due to his loss of weight and conditioning.

I can't remember which day's report, but I am pretty sure that it was one of Keim's reports from this past week. If not keim, then Rich Campbell.

It was stated that he looks slower. I do know the reference you are making. It was made at OTAs. ey came in at 243 at the weigh-in on Wednedsy the 25th. He was at 237 at OTAs.

Deadskins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:I am saying that there are no where near enough footballs to go around for ey to get 60 balls.

That's absurd. There's easily enough for ey to get 60 with the WRs getting theirs. The only player who might limit ey's catches is Fred Davis. IF ey can't get in the game, he can't catch the ball.

Oh, don't forget the backs getting theirs. Helu had, if not 50 catches, close to it.

So tell me how easily it is for a second string TE who is reportedly slower this year is going to get his 60.

Footballs to receivers, TEs, backs - Garcon? Davis? Moss? Morgan? Hank? How many footballs for the rest of them?

How may times to you think RGIII is going to crank it up next year?
Will Shanny finally emphasize the run which is his MO?
How effective will the offense control the ball? Are we with the Patriots in offensive plays/

Why did Shanny emphasize getting receiver in FA?
Why did Shanny switch Paul to TE?
Shanny is gearing up for Shanny ball this year.

Now, add all those balls up and the emphasis on the offense this year and tell how a second string TE/FB is going to get 60 catches.
Tel your rationale.

Here's the stats for the Redskins for the last two season to see how the has been distributed the last couple of years.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/wsh/year/2010
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins

Don't forget ey also lines up as a fullback, and like I said, it really depends on Fred Davis more than the WRs as to how many touches ey gets. That and how many two TE sets we run.

I certainly included that that ey lines up as a fullback. Check out above. Keep in mind that Darrell Young is a good back out of the backfield as well, so ey is not going to get many catches out of the backfield.
Curious, what evidence have you seen that Shanny is going to a two TE set as a major part of the O? The Shanny's have talked it since they arrived. Not in 2010. Not in the early part of 2011 before ey was hurt.
Keep in mind that Shanny's MO is deep routes. This is why Davis is the guy at TE.

Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:I am saying that there are no where near enough footballs to go around for ey to get 60 balls.

That's absurd. There's easily enough for ey to get 60 with the WRs getting theirs. The only player who might limit ey's catches is Fred Davis. IF ey can't get in the game, he can't catch the ball.

Oh, don't forget the backs getting theirs. Helu had, if not 50 catches, close to it.

So tell me how easily it is for a second string TE who is reportedly slower this year is going to get his 60.

Footballs to receivers, TEs, backs - Garcon? Davis? Moss? Morgan? Hank? How many footballs for the rest of them?

How may times to you think RGIII is going to crank it up next year?
Will Shanny finally emphasize the run which is his MO?
How effective will the offense control the ball? Are we with the Patriots in offensive plays/

Why did Shanny emphasize getting receiver in FA?
Why did Shanny switch Paul to TE?
Shanny is gearing up for Shanny ball this year.

Now, add all those balls up and the emphasis on the offense this year and tell how a second string TE/FB is going to get 60 catches.
Tel your rationale.

Here's the stats for the Redskins for the last two season to see how the has been distributed the last couple of years.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/wsh/year/2010
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins

Don't forget ey also lines up as a fullback, and like I said, it really depends on Fred Davis more than the WRs as to how many touches ey gets. That and how many two TE sets we run.

I certainly included that that ey lines up as a fullback. Check out above. Keep in mind that Darrell Young is a good back out of the backfield as well, so ey is not going to get many catches out of the backfield.
Curious, what evidence have you seen that Shanny is going to a two TE set as a major part of the O? The Shanny's have talked it since they arrived. Not in 2010. Not in the early part of 2011 before ey was hurt.
Keep in mind that Shanny's MO is deep routes. This is why Davis is the guy at TE.

I don't know how many times the the Skins lined up in two TE set in 2010, but I know they did it AT LEAST nine times since ey started 16 games in 2010 AND FD started 9 games. So they opened in two TE sets for nine games. I'm assuming that wasn't the only time they lined up in two TE sets.

Here is my thinking. Must here are assuming ey won't be the same player he was the last time he was healthy and I'm assuming he will be. Until He proves that he isn't the player he used to be i'm going to assume he is. It is OK if people want to assume he isn't without seeing him play.

The last time ey was healthy was very early in the 2010 season. that is when he hurt his knee. He was able to manage it so well that only two other TEs were more productive than he was.

For what ever reason (lock out is my guess) his knee got worse before the 2011 season. He was NEVER healthy during 2011 so the Skins really couldn't run many two TE sets.

I think the reports about ey looking slower than he has in the past are mostly the media seeing what they EXPECT to see. Their expectations are clouding what they see.

No. I have no proof he won't eventually supplant Davis as the Starting TE, but I do know the Shannys will play the guys making the most plays. if that is ey, cool. if that is Davis, I'm fine with that too. But I can almost guarantee ey will have more catches than the #4, #5, or # 6 WR. If he plays all season he will cathch 50-60 balls, just in the last four minutes of each half. How many time have we seen ey not catch any balls for the first 27-28 Min of a half and end up with 3 or 4 balls at the end of that half. This is something that I think RG3 will take a liking to, just like every QB before him.

ey says he will be playing fullback thursday night against the bills.

He will be more in the" tiger" position



http://www.csnwashington.com/football-w ... edID=10316

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:I am saying that there are no where near enough footballs to go around for ey to get 60 balls.

That's absurd. There's easily enough for ey to get 60 with the WRs getting theirs. The only player who might limit ey's catches is Fred Davis. IF ey can't get in the game, he can't catch the ball.

Oh, don't forget the backs getting theirs. Helu had, if not 50 catches, close to it.

So tell me how easily it is for a second string TE who is reportedly slower this year is going to get his 60.

Footballs to receivers, TEs, backs - Garcon? Davis? Moss? Morgan? Hank? How many footballs for the rest of them?

How may times to you think RGIII is going to crank it up next year?
Will Shanny finally emphasize the run which is his MO?
How effective will the offense control the ball? Are we with the Patriots in offensive plays/

Why did Shanny emphasize getting receiver in FA?
Why did Shanny switch Paul to TE?
Shanny is gearing up for Shanny ball this year.

Now, add all those balls up and the emphasis on the offense this year and tell how a second string TE/FB is going to get 60 catches.
Tel your rationale.

Here's the stats for the Redskins for the last two season to see how the has been distributed the last couple of years.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/wsh/year/2010
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins

Don't forget ey also lines up as a fullback, and like I said, it really depends on Fred Davis more than the WRs as to how many touches ey gets. That and how many two TE sets we run.

I certainly included that that ey lines up as a fullback. Check out above. Keep in mind that Darrell Young is a good back out of the backfield as well, so ey is not going to get many catches out of the backfield.
Curious, what evidence have you seen that Shanny is going to a two TE set as a major part of the O? The Shanny's have talked it since they arrived. Not in 2010. Not in the early part of 2011 before ey was hurt.
Keep in mind that Shanny's MO is deep routes. This is why Davis is the guy at TE.

I don't know how many times the the Skins lined up in two TE set in 2010, but I know they did it AT LEAST nine times since ey started 16 games in 2010 AND FD started 9 games. So they opened in two TE sets for nine games. I'm assuming that wasn't the only time they lined up in two TE sets.

Here is my thinking. Must here are assuming ey won't be the same player he was the last time he was healthy and I'm assuming he will be. Until He proves that he isn't the player he used to be i'm going to assume he is. It is OK if people want to assume he isn't without seeing him play.

The last time ey was healthy was very early in the 2010 season. that is when he hurt his knee. He was able to manage it so well that only two other TEs were more productive than he was.

For what ever reason (lock out is my guess) his knee got worse before the 2011 season. He was NEVER healthy during 2011 so the Skins really couldn't run many two TE sets.

I think the reports about ey looking slower than he has in the past are mostly the media seeing what they EXPECT to see. Their expectations are clouding what they see.

No. I have no proof he won't eventually supplant Davis as the Starting TE, but I do know the Shannys will play the guys making the most plays. if that is ey, cool. if that is Davis, I'm fine with that too. But I can almost guarantee ey will have more catches than the #4, #5, or # 6 WR. If he plays all season he will cathch 50-60 balls, just in the last four minutes of each half. How many time have we seen ey not catch any balls for the first 27-28 Min of a half and end up with 3 or 4 balls at the end of that half. This is something that I think RG3 will take a liking to, just like every QB before him.

I totally get where you are coming from. I fall in the "I assume that ey will be effective but not in the manner he was in 2010" category. I believe that Shanny put Paul at TE because he sees Davis and Paul as the go to guys at TE. ey will have his packages in a two TE set and Paul will have his packages in a two TE set. I see Paul as more of a back to Davis then ey. ey will also be expected to line up as a fullback as well.

Thanks for explaining your position. I get it, but disagree. I have no problem with you telling me, I told you so if you are right.

“I couldn’t move well last year. I had a lot of fluid in my knee at all times. I had a hard time going two days in a row. I’m continuing to build speed, I’m continuing to get better on my feet. My routes have looked better. I feel like I’m getting back to the player I know I can be. I think our staff knows what I can do. I know what I’m capable of. That’s what everyone expects of me. I have to continue to provide that on a daily basis.”

With ey saying that he continues to build speed, he is confirming what the beat writers have been noticing - that he appeared slower.

For the ey fans who feel that this may confirm that ey will get back to ey form, I have no problem seeing it that way.

Starting Thursday night, it is all about what is on the field. I do hope that we see the ey of old.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins- ... le/2504112

ey is old realiable. I think it would be great to keep him on the roster even if the tight end talent is in abundance. ey has always seemed to be clutch which is important in the big games. I know Davis has talent supreme but it doesnt mean we couldn't use ey as well.

8/8

John Keim‏@john_keim

TE coach sean mcvay not worried about cooley's speed: "he has functional football speed." #redskins

Cooley Out to Prove He Still Has Much to Offer

“I think Chris has done a good job,” Shanahan said this week. “The big questions that usually pop up this time of year, especially after a guy does come off an injury last year or the year before . . . [are] can he stay healthy and has he lost anything? And we’ll get a chance to see him the next couple games playing, and hopefully he’s set to play at that same level and he can still stay healthy.”

Cooley’s teammates say they believe he’s doing well. Paul said that the ey he sees on the training-camp practice field this summer is “the Chris ey that I used to watch back in the day,” by which he meant not all that long ago.