Kilmer72 wrote:crazyhorse1 wrote:langleyparkjoe wrote:GARCON-MOSS-MORGAN
Das my preference.. Hankerson, he can go clean some cleats or helmets.
I simply can't understand the enthusiasm for Morgan. His stats are mediocre at best and he's injury prone. There's a reason we got him so cheap. He might be the second coming; but chances are he'll be on the bench much of the season, injured or not. He's just not that good.
I would guess this is the reason he is here at a bargain, if he plays up to par.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... redskins-/“I’m very, very close [to 100 percent],” Morgan said after the Redskins‘ second day of mandatory minicamp. “I just got to get my explosion back. The pain is gone. Everything else is healed.”He has to get on the field first, though. Morgan was limited in all of the spring practices. Not only does he lack explosion, he said he has lost five inches off his vertical jump.
crazyhorse1 wrote:He's a prospect and a bargain because he caught three passes a game and averaged a little over 40 yards per game?
On the same day the 49ers put Morgan on injured reserve because of a broken right leg, Harbaugh said the team wants Morgan back next season – and beyond – and he said he's told the wide receiver as much.
"We'll make that a priority," Harbaugh said.
Morgan had surgery Monday, during which screws were inserted into his right leg. Harbaugh said the injury included ligament damage but that there shouldn't be any long-term issues with Morgan's recovery.
He called the 26-year-old receiver a "tremendously hard worker," and Morgan seems to fit the mold for what Harbaugh wants in a wide receiver: He's disciplined and team-oriented, and at 220 pounds he's an excellent downfield blocker in the running game for a team that aspires to overwhelm opponents with power.
DarthMonk wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:DarthMonk wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:Garcon and Morgan on the outside, Moss in the slot. I expect to see lots of the 3 receiver sets this year to spread the field.
In most cases In can see Moss on the field, even in two WR sets. The only exception is if we want to show a heavy run formation and in that case we could have Morgan and AAA as the only WR on the field with Davis andey on the field and Helu at RB.
That formation gets our best blocking WRs on the field with a two TE set, but it gives you two legit deep threats at WR, two great pass catching TEs and a RB that caught 49 passes last year (14 in one game). So even though the players on the field would suggest run, the D has to play pass too, because there are 5 credible recievers on the field.
... and all fast ... well, maybe not
We can also field strong 4 and 5 wide sets.
I am on the verge of predicting Banks inactive for game 1.
DarthMonk
Banks, if healthy, 100% will not be inactive for game 1. He will either be returning kicks, punts, and catching the occasional pass OR he won't be on the team. No way he is inactive!
Is he inactive if he gets cut?
I'm starting to think there is a strong chance of one or the other or both.
DarthMonk
Red_One43 wrote:^ Because 5th receivers do not get many receptions for most teams, for Banks, it still comes down to who can beat him out as a returner.
Shanny salivates over the Banks' explosiveness. Someone has to give him that. Is it Aldrick Robinson? He has been working on returning punts.
1niksder wrote:Red_One43 wrote:^ Because 5th receivers do not get many receptions for most teams, for Banks, it still comes down to who can beat him out as a returner.
Shanny salivates over the Banks' explosiveness. Someone has to give him that. Is it Aldrick Robinson? He has been working on returning punts.
Shanny wants his returners to be more than just returners. I counted him out last year but I'd like to see him stick around this year (if he can earn a spot). I just don't see it if someone else takes over the return duties.
Red_One43 wrote:1niksder wrote:Red_One43 wrote:^ Because 5th receivers do not get many receptions for most teams, for Banks, it still comes down to who can beat him out as a returner.
Shanny salivates over the Banks' explosiveness. Someone has to give him that. Is it Aldrick Robinson? He has been working on returning punts.
Shanny wants his returners to be more than just returners. I counted him out last year but I'd like to see him stick around this year (if he can earn a spot). I just don't see it if someone else takes over the return duties.
We are in agreement here. Someone else has to step up to take over the duties. Paul might be the KOR guy. Someone else needs to step it up fro PRs.
To me only two guys on the roster might be as explosive as Banks that can be regular returners - Robinson - last year could not field punts and AA who wasn't given an opportunity, but says that he can do it.
I still think Banks will suprise folks from the Receiver spot. He caught over 123 balls in two years of college. Us Big 12 fans, know that Banks has a lot to offer from the wide out position. Shanny knows it as well.
1niksder wrote:Red_One43 wrote:1niksder wrote:Red_One43 wrote:^ Because 5th receivers do not get many receptions for most teams, for Banks, it still comes down to who can beat him out as a returner.
Shanny salivates over the Banks' explosiveness. Someone has to give him that. Is it Aldrick Robinson? He has been working on returning punts.
Shanny wants his returners to be more than just returners. I counted him out last year but I'd like to see him stick around this year (if he can earn a spot). I just don't see it if someone else takes over the return duties.
We are in agreement here. Someone else has to step up to take over the duties. Paul might be the KOR guy. Someone else needs to step it up fro PRs.
To me only two guys on the roster might be as explosive as Banks that can be regular returners - Robinson - last year could not field punts and AA who wasn't given an opportunity, but says that he can do it.
I still think Banks will suprise folks from the Receiver spot. He caught over 123 balls in two years of college. Us Big 12 fans, know that Banks has a lot to offer from the wide out position. Shanny knows it as well.
Austin can return kicks but IMO he's behind Banks on the depth chart at the slot position.
With the money they paid Josh Morgan, he'll play and Moss might not be a lock but if Morgan isn't worth the coin and they have to go to a "Plan B" mid season, do you want to fall back on unproven Brandon Banks or a fresh Santana Moss?
Red_One43 wrote:I wonder if any of the undrafted guys will emerge.
Has your choices for who stays - who goes changed since your last one?
frankcal20 wrote:I think Robinson will be the final WR on the roster. I don't think Banks will make it only b/c he's a one trick pony and the NFL took away his biggest asset which was his returns.
I called him in early and I told him he’s going to have to help us at the wide receiver position as well if he’s going to make this football team,” Shanahan said. “He accepted the challenge and came [to camp] in excellent shape.”
Shanahan said Banks has gained approximately 10 pounds since last season, when he had 155 pounds on his 5-foot-7 frame. He saw time at each receiver spot during minicamp, but will have to battle 11 others in training camp if he’s to have a shot.
BB isn't Hester... BUT is Hester like.. Speed kills and we can't ignore all of his tds as a room and second year in preseason and regular including every one of the ones that were called back- as if the flagged player impacted BB scoring.Red_One43 wrote:frankcal20 wrote:I think Robinson will be the final WR on the roster. I don't think Banks will make it only b/c he's a one trick pony and the NFL took away his biggest asset which was his returns.
Banks as well as a lot of returners were neutralized by the NFL KO return rule change, but in punt returns Banks still retained his explosiveness.
Banks' 23.0 beat Hestor's 21.9 (Not saying Banks is better than Hestor (he's not), but saying that the rules even neutralized Hestor).
One "trick pony?"
1 - Reverse for a TD (called back but counts in the HC's mind when evaluating a player)
2 - Pass for a TD -
That's two tricks
No trick, but only Devin Hestor (12) and Ted Ginn (12) had more 20 yard plus returns than Banks (9).
Finally, when Shanny told Banks, he had to make the team as a wide out this is what Shanny said Banks' response was:I called him in early and I told him he’s going to have to help us at the wide receiver position as well if he’s going to make this football team,” Shanahan said. “He accepted the challenge and came [to camp] in excellent shape.”
Shanahan said Banks has gained approximately 10 pounds since last season, when he had 155 pounds on his 5-foot-7 frame. He saw time at each receiver spot during minicamp, but will have to battle 11 others in training camp if he’s to have a shot.
This is no guarantee that Banks will make the team, but what Shanny is saying, hardly speaks of Banks as a "one trick" pony.
With all that being said, Robinson could be the key whether or not Banks makes it. If Robinson can return punts with the explosiveness of Banks and I think he can, you might end up being right.
What is your latest who stays - who goes?
BB isn't Hester... BUT is Hester like.. Speed kills and we can't ignore all of his tds as a rook and second year player both in preseason and regular including every one of the ones that were called back- as if the flagged player impacted BB scoring.Red_One43 wrote:frankcal20 wrote:I think Robinson will be the final WR on the roster. I don't think Banks will make it only b/c he's a one trick pony and the NFL took away his biggest asset which was his returns.
Banks as well as a lot of returners were neutralized by the NFL KO return rule change, but in punt returns Banks still retained his explosiveness.
Banks' 23.0 beat Hestor's 21.9 (Not saying Banks is better than Hestor (he's not), but saying that the rules even neutralized Hestor).
One "trick pony?"
1 - Reverse for a TD (called back but counts in the HC's mind when evaluating a player)
2 - Pass for a TD -
That's two tricks
No trick, but only Devin Hestor (12) and Ted Ginn (12) had more 20 yard plus returns than Banks (9).
Finally, when Shanny told Banks, he had to make the team as a wide out this is what Shanny said Banks' response was:I called him in early and I told him he’s going to have to help us at the wide receiver position as well if he’s going to make this football team,” Shanahan said. “He accepted the challenge and came [to camp] in excellent shape.”
Shanahan said Banks has gained approximately 10 pounds since last season, when he had 155 pounds on his 5-foot-7 frame. He saw time at each receiver spot during minicamp, but will have to battle 11 others in training camp if he’s to have a shot.
This is no guarantee that Banks will make the team, but what Shanny is saying, hardly speaks of Banks as a "one trick" pony.
With all that being said, Robinson could be the key whether or not Banks makes it. If Robinson can return punts with the explosiveness of Banks and I think he can, you might end up being right.
What is your latest who stays - who goes?
Vet in trouble: Banks and Austin. If Robinson shows that he can help in the return game and from scrimmage because of his speed, then both these players are likely gone. I like Austin’s footwork, especially in the slot and as a punt returner. But he’s not a burner and others can potentially do what he does. Armstrong is helped by the fact that he, too, is a good special teamer and an excellent blocker. But he’s coming off a sub-par year (for a few reasons) and needs to re-prove himself.
Projected starters: Pierre Garcon, Santana Moss
Key reserves: Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Anthony Armstrong, Aldrick Robinson
Out:
Terrence Austin, Brandon Banks.
(6): Anthony Armstrong, Pierre Garçon, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Santana Moss, Aldrick Robinson
Out: Brandon Banks, Terrence Austin, Darius Hanks, Brian Hernandez, Lance Lewis, Samuel Kirkland
cowboykillerzRED wrote:well i guess we need to see if Hanktime ends up on the PUP list before we cut banks right?
when ever BB touches the ball there is a chance for magic.. id have a hard time cutting loose that kind of talent- and speed.
cowboykillerzRED wrote:i agree whole heartidly! his youtube highlights show he was able to perform at wide out in ncaa.. hopefully he can be a smaller roll but similar style to the eagles DeJax
“That’s been our goal all along,” Shanahan said. “Banks has some very good receiver skills. He’s got very good hands, he’s tough, and the more consistent he can be in practice -- it’s been tough because he got hurt -- but we would like to get him more involved.”
Banks tore a ligament in his left knee in 2010 and required surgery. He didn’t miss a game, but struggled to regain his effectiveness. The knee continued to bother Banks off and on last preseason, and during much of the regular season. That [color=yellow]kept Shanahan from using him as a receiver. [/color]Instead, he made the team as a returns specialist.
“I want to be on the offensive side of the ball to help contribute and make big plays,” said Banks, who says his knee is 100 percent healed. “Hopefully I can go out there and make plays. … What I’m known to do is running. By the knee bothering me [last year] I was limited from being 100 percent and being fast as I can be, so I’m very excited to get back feeling the way I felt when I first got here.”
