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The Hogster wrote:Okay, I'll try with crayons and hand puppets this time.

If Peyton Manning came to play for the Redskins, he would be vying with Eli for the division championship yearly, which DRASTICALLY decreases the likelihood of them both even making the playoffs in the same season.

I specialize in representing NFL players specifically in off-the-field transactions and business deals. And, I am telling you from experience that WINNING has a direct correlation with the ability to produce income. It's something that Peyton, Tom Condon and all of his advisors will consider whether you understand that or not. And, YES, the Manning's are a brand. Look up Brand then get back to me. Where were you when Archie steered Eli away from San Diego? Where were you when Archie came out earlier this offseason and said Peyton didn't want to play with Andrew Luck.

If you think that Peyton would come here without considering the fact that more than likely either he or Eli will be sitting at home every year, then you're just being stubborn.

As for Tom Moore, he has a relationship with the Jets. He signed a 1 year deal. Simply because the season is over doesn't mean that he would not be brought back IF the Jets land Manning. That's common sense. AND, it's a lot closer tie than he has to Kyle Shanahan, so I'm still in awe that you're continuing to make such a fruitless argument. Additionally, this is the NY JETS. They signed Brett Favre. They're trying to be the talk of Broadway. They'd move hell and earth to make Peyton comfortable in their offense. Oh, and let's not even get to the marketing machine that would exist with the Manning brothers competing ALL YEAR for supremacy in NYC. That is a 16 week long storyline that will generate money not only for the players, but the teams and the NFL as a whole. And, there's the possibility of them playing in the Manning Bowl. Dude, none of us knows for SURE, but I have made many more valid football and business points supporting my belief that he wouldn't come here if given the chance to join the Jets or even the Dolphins (where he has a home). All you're doing is getting mad that you can't quite understand a view contrary to yours and you're failing at making a valid argument in favor of that view. Have at it.


I could care less what you feel about my tone on this website. I am not here to make friends, and have no interest in making your acquaintance.

chiefhog44 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Okay, I'll try with crayons and hand puppets this time.

If Peyton Manning came to play for the Redskins, he would be vying with Eli for the division championship yearly, which DRASTICALLY decreases the likelihood of them both even making the playoffs in the same season.

I specialize in representing NFL players specifically in off-the-field transactions and business deals. And, I am telling you from experience that WINNING has a direct correlation with the ability to produce income. It's something that Peyton, Tom Condon and all of his advisors will consider whether you understand that or not. And, YES, the Manning's are a brand. Look up Brand then get back to me. Where were you when Archie steered Eli away from San Diego? Where were you when Archie came out earlier this offseason and said Peyton didn't want to play with Andrew Luck.

If you think that Peyton would come here without considering the fact that more than likely either he or Eli will be sitting at home every year, then you're just being stubborn.

As for Tom Moore, he has a relationship with the Jets. He signed a 1 year deal. Simply because the season is over doesn't mean that he would not be brought back IF the Jets land Manning. That's common sense. AND, it's a lot closer tie than he has to Kyle Shanahan, so I'm still in awe that you're continuing to make such a fruitless argument. Additionally, this is the NY JETS. They signed Brett Favre. They're trying to be the talk of Broadway. They'd move hell and earth to make Peyton comfortable in their offense. Oh, and let's not even get to the marketing machine that would exist with the Manning brothers competing ALL YEAR for supremacy in NYC. That is a 16 week long storyline that will generate money not only for the players, but the teams and the NFL as a whole. And, there's the possibility of them playing in the Manning Bowl. Dude, none of us knows for SURE, but I have made many more valid football and business points supporting my belief that he wouldn't come here if given the chance to join the Jets or even the Dolphins (where he has a home). All you're doing is getting mad that you can't quite understand a view contrary to yours and you're failing at making a valid argument in favor of that view. Have at it.


I could care less what you feel about my tone on this website. I am not here to make friends, and have no interest in making your acquaintance.

Few things.
Archie pushed Eli his rookie year, and as I alluded to earlier, your claim would be warranted if this was their rookie year. Archie hasn't done anything since except get on a talk show and spout off, which Peyton quickly shut him up. If there was a family brand he was concerned about, explain why Peyton is taking Eli's thunder these last two weeks?

Your posts are full of you know what, and I'm just pointing it out, and its funny how upsetting it is to you. You are now making up job descriptions, calling me names, getting froth around your mouth arguing. Its actually funny how upset you get calling me (or anyone that calls out your nonsense) names, or alluding to not being football, business smart, and having to use crayons. I'm just shooting holes in your claims because every post you make its something different such as
A) Tom Moore is still with the Jets because he flat out isn't. The Jets have brand new Offensive staff
B) that Peyton would have to learn a new offense Here, but NOT in NY with Sparano as the new OC?....
C) acting like there is some Manning brand when they are both established with huge contracts and Peyton is clearly not concerned with this branding over the past two weeks
D). Acting like the two of them in the same division it SO unfounded and wouldn't make any business sense. Even though the league would clearly make money on the match ups twice a year, and
E) realizing that most likely, both teams would make the playoffs, and
F) realizing THAT has EVERYTHING to do with his decision. What team will give him the best shot of getting to the playoffs and a Super Bowl. If the XYZ team gives him the best shot, he's going to go there, regardless if he has to run over his little brother to do it.

I never said he wouldn't go to the Jets or rather play there or even that it wouldn't be more lucrative. You are creating that argument. I'm simply stating that you clearly have one view on this, and not really thinking outside the box. He may ultimately go to NY but not for the reasons you state. He may not go to the Skins but not for the reasons you state. Wherever he goes will be for himself, and himself only. Not for some family brand name, not for Archie, not for Eli, not to the Jets for Tom Moore, not for anything but himself.

I never said he wouldn't go to the Jets or rather play there or even that it wouldn't be more lucrative. You are creating that argument. I'm simply stating that you clearly have one view on this, and not really thinking outside the box. He may ultimately go to NY but not for the reasons you state. He may not go to the Skins but not for the reasons you state. Wherever he goes will be for himself, and himself only. Not for some family brand name, not for Archie, not for Eli, not to the Jets for Tom Moore, not for anything but himself.

DarthMonk wrote:Where will Manning go?

Odds I just saw from Vegas:

New York Jets +200 2/1 bet $100 to win $200
Miami Dolphins +300 3/1 bet $100 to win $300
Washington Redskins +400 4/1 bet $100 to win $400
Seattle Seahawks +500 5/1 bet $100 to win $500
Arizona Cardinals +600 6/1 bet $100 to win $600
Baltimore Ravens +700 7/1 bet $100 to win $700
Houston Texans +900 9/1 bet $100 to win $900
San Francisco 49ers +1000 10/1 bet $100 to win $1000
Field (any team not listed) +100 1/1 bet $100 to win $100

The even money favorite is The Field which includes the Colts. I wonder about the Cowboys.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Where will Manning go?

Odds I just saw from Vegas:

New York Jets +200 2/1 bet $100 to win $200
Miami Dolphins +300 3/1 bet $100 to win $300
Washington Redskins +400 4/1 bet $100 to win $400
Seattle Seahawks +500 5/1 bet $100 to win $500
Arizona Cardinals +600 6/1 bet $100 to win $600
Baltimore Ravens +700 7/1 bet $100 to win $700
Houston Texans +900 9/1 bet $100 to win $900
San Francisco 49ers +1000 10/1 bet $100 to win $1000
Field (any team not listed) +100 1/1 bet $100 to win $100

The even money favorite is The Field which includes the Colts. I wonder about the Cowboys.

If I were Manning and my priority was to find a good team with a mediocre to poor QB situation and my priority was to win another Super Bowl, I'd be thinking Ravens

chiefhog44 wrote:Two people "close" to the Manning family tell Howard Eskin of 94 WIP Philadelphia that Peyton Manning is "very likely" to be a Redskin in 2012.
Eskin is a Philly reporter with a relatively spotty reporting track record, but his information is at least interesting. He refers to the Redskins' interest in "other QBs" as a "smokescreen," and indicates that Mike Shanahan's priority will be to acquire Peyton Manning. On Sunday, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the Redskins have interest in both Matt Flynn and Kyle Orton. Feb 5 - 12:05 PM

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1493/peyton-manning

chiefhog44 wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:Two people "close" to the Manning family tell Howard Eskin of 94 WIP Philadelphia that Peyton Manning is "very likely" to be a Redskin in 2012.
Eskin is a Philly reporter with a relatively spotty reporting track record, but his information is at least interesting. He refers to the Redskins' interest in "other QBs" as a "smokescreen," and indicates that Mike Shanahan's priority will be to acquire Peyton Manning. On Sunday, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the Redskins have interest in both Matt Flynn and Kyle Orton. Feb 5 - 12:05 PM

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1493/peyton-manning

Not sure this would be a good thing. Could be but also could be a disaster

DarthMonk wrote:Where will Manning go?

Odds I just saw from Vegas:

New York Jets +200 2/1 bet $100 to win $200
Miami Dolphins +300 3/1 bet $100 to win $300
Washington Redskins +400 4/1 bet $100 to win $400
Seattle Seahawks +500 5/1 bet $100 to win $500
Arizona Cardinals +600 6/1 bet $100 to win $600
Baltimore Ravens +700 7/1 bet $100 to win $700
Houston Texans +900 9/1 bet $100 to win $900
San Francisco 49ers +1000 10/1 bet $100 to win $1000
Field (any team not listed) +100 1/1 bet $100 to win $100

The even money favorite is The Field which includes the Colts. I wonder about the Cowboys.

welch wrote:I think we cannot predict the future.

welch wrote:I think we cannot predict the future.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If I were Manning and my priority was to find a good team with a mediocre to poor QB situation and my priority was to win another Super Bowl, I'd be thinking Ravens

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If I were Manning and my priority was to find a good team with a mediocre to poor QB situation and my priority was to win another Super Bowl, I'd be thinking Ravens

StorminMormon86 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If I were Manning and my priority was to find a good team with a mediocre to poor QB situation and my priority was to win another Super Bowl, I'd be thinking Ravens

And you'd be wrong. Under no circumstances would the Ravens sit a QB that's taken them to the playoffs four years in a row.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Please. If Peyton were interested they'd say no, they're sticking with Flacco. Sure they would.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Please. If Peyton were interested they'd say no, they're sticking with Flacco. Sure they would.

I understand what you're saying but I can't agree. They wouldn't do it because it's too short-sighted of a goal. They have a franchise QB that is a bit underrated and doesn't have good WR's. They've been to the playoff's and knocked on the door 4 times in a row. So they get QB, lose their franchise guy and possibly get nothing in return but the heartache of having to find a new QB.... Plus, you put a guy with a fragile neck in that division?

Naw, not gonna happen. That's Redskins type move.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Please. If Peyton were interested they'd say no, they're sticking with Flacco. Sure they would.

I understand what you're saying but I can't agree. They wouldn't do it because it's too short-sighted of a goal. They have a franchise QB that is a bit underrated and doesn't have good WR's. They've been to the playoff's and knocked on the door 4 times in a row. So they get QB, lose their franchise guy and possibly get nothing in return but the heartache of having to find a new QB.... Plus, you put a guy with a fragile neck in that division?

Naw, not gonna happen. That's Redskins type move.

+1 The Ravens are too smart for a move like that. They've shown that they look at the long-term picture, not just short-term. Evans catches that pass from Flacco in the end zone and it would've been the Ravens in the SB instead of the Pats. They'd be much better off improving their wide receivers than going after Manning.

jr_uscg wrote:We are going to get Peyton,you watch we havent gone after a big time player for a while. Dennis Green the president of operations for the Redskins was over heard by some people at a luncheon. That the Redskins have chosen a QB and the fans will be elated. Gotta be Peyton.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If I were Manning and my priority was to find a good team with a mediocre to poor QB situation and my priority was to win another Super Bowl, I'd be thinking Ravens

And you'd be wrong. Under no circumstances would the Ravens sit a QB that's taken them to the playoffs four years in a row.

Please. If Peyton were interested they'd say no, they're sticking with Flacco. Sure they would.

Sure, Joe Theismann is often a bit of a blind homer when it comes to the Redskins, but his quarterbacking intuition was not bad this past season.

“I just don’t agree with the decision to start John Beck,” he said shortly after the switch was made, when virtually all Redskins fans were still on board with the Beck Era.

“I think that if John struggles in this game, I think Mike’s almost obligated to go back to Rex,” he said two weeks later, before Beck’s final start.

Now we’re into the busy part of the year, when the Redskins will be linked with every available quarterback on the market, and especially with Peyton Manning.

“If Peyton Manning is released, Redskins are expected to pursue him,” Adam Schefter wrote over the weekend.

“Told by 2 people close to Mannings that Peyton very likely to be a Redskin despite smokescreen being put of their by Skins to seek other QBs,” Philly talk-radio legend Howard Eskin wrote on Twitter .

And what of Theismann? Not having it.

“It’s not a good idea, it’s not a bad idea — It’s a horrific idea,” he told 106.7 The Fan’s Mike Wise and Holden Kushner last week. “It would be one of the poorest things that we could do as a franchise. Are we gonna go find another guy for just a couple of years again? Haven’t we done this before? Haven’t we seen this act before? And by the way, if you get Peyton Manning, don’t you have a concern about protecting him? Don’t you have a concern about who he throws the football to?...

“We’re tired of looking for stop gaps,” Theismann continued. “It’s time to draft one of your own, or make a deal for a young one of your own, and nurture him, and then put the players around him. If we’re gonna be 5-11, if we’re gonna be 6-10, let’s do it with somebody who’s [learning as he goes], instead of guys that have been here, making mistakes.”

And Theismann, at least, seems convinced that the team’s decision-makers agree with him.

“I believe this is the year they’ll find somebody that you’ll hope will quarterback this football team for the next five to seven years, and put the pieces together around him,” he said. “We need to be able to find somebody who can step up and make plays.”