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Brian Orakpo to Sirius NFL Radio: "I mean, me, personally, I would love to still play with Haynesworth."

CanesSkins26 wrote:

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Brian Orakpo to Sirius NFL Radio: "I mean, me, personally, I would love to still play with Haynesworth."

Countertrey wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

dcsportsbog

Brian Orakpo to Sirius NFL Radio: "I mean, me, personally, I would love to still play with Haynesworth."

I can't imagine ANY defensive lineman or linebacker NOT wanting a motivated AH playing next to or in front of him... The problem is, there is no context to the quote. Was it an absolute statement? Was it contingent? Was there a modifier?

in other words... "and?"

Deadskins wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:
What is it about members of this board and reading comprehension? Your comments earlier implied that the tackling problems in the Giants game has no bearing on the coaching the players receive at the NFL level. My question about them suddenly sucking at tackling was rhetorical. I was asking to point out to you that if this is an ongoing problem, then the coaches are at fault for not teaching proper technique after first seeing this problem. I don't blame the DC so much as the individual position coaches, because the DC is more about schemes than individual coaching, but he is the boss, and so is ultimately responsible for the the coaching under him.
And by superior, I meant your comments to another poster to the effect of "come back when you know something about NFL coaching," when you obviously have a serious lack of understanding in the area yourself.

No, my comment stated that the bad tackling has been inherited and has been a problem for years. The scouts and coaches (who are primarily responsible for bringing in players... I thought, until you rolled your eyes at that) have plagued this team over the last 17 years. How does a DC get blamed for their poor tackling? Comprehension? look in the mirror.

And how do I have a serious lack of understanding myself? There is not one thing that I have stated that is false. I'm just calling someone else out who is telling another member that his post was idiodic and giving him some backround of which he speaks.

Thanks for proving my point.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

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Brian Orakpo to Sirius NFL Radio: "I mean, me, personally, I would love to still play with Haynesworth."

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Vonnie Holiday's opinion...

Wow! He certainly didn't pull any punches.

NB this interview, Vetskins. It might be time to reconsider your opinion that Shanahan hasn't brought a better atmosphere to the Redskins. The more detail that comes out, the more it sounds like players are totally behind what Shanahan is doing . . . especially with respect to Haynesworth. Holiday respects Haynesworth as a man and is a good friend, but he makes it pretty clear here that it's not Shanahan who's at fault.

I go off of what details that come out. Up until this week, little has come out with the team against big Al, and that is what I have been going off of. As more details come out, my opinion may change. I've readily admitted that big Al has been a spoiled brat in the whole deal. But I don't believe that Shanahan doesn't have a few smudges on that halo that some people appear to be blinded by.

What won't change is my opinion that both parties are at fault. I've never suggested that big Al has been right and Shanahan has been wrong. This isn't the only decision that Shanahan has made that has allowed me to form my opinion of Shanahan, and until his decision-making changes, my opinion stands.

And as for the mental gymnastics comment, I have an opinion of that that you may or may not want to hear.

And I still stand by my comment that if there is anyone on big Al's side still, they're not going to publicly come forward. And please, don't read between the lines. I never said Daniels and Fletcher don't count. But if you seem more intelligent than taking the word of 4% (Daniels and Fletcher) and saying that everyone believes it.

chiefhog44 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Vonnie Holiday's opinion...

Wow! He certainly didn't pull any punches.

NB this interview, Vetskins. It might be time to reconsider your opinion that Shanahan hasn't brought a better atmosphere to the Redskins. The more detail that comes out, the more it sounds like players are totally behind what Shanahan is doing . . . especially with respect to Haynesworth. Holiday respects Haynesworth as a man and is a good friend, but he makes it pretty clear here that it's not Shanahan who's at fault.

I go off of what details that come out. Up until this week, little has come out with the team against big Al, and that is what I have been going off of. As more details come out, my opinion may change. I've readily admitted that big Al has been a spoiled brat in the whole deal. But I don't believe that Shanahan doesn't have a few smudges on that halo that some people appear to be blinded by.

What won't change is my opinion that both parties are at fault. I've never suggested that big Al has been right and Shanahan has been wrong. This isn't the only decision that Shanahan has made that has allowed me to form my opinion of Shanahan, and until his decision-making changes, my opinion stands.

And as for the mental gymnastics comment, I have an opinion of that that you may or may not want to hear.

And I still stand by my comment that if there is anyone on big Al's side still, they're not going to publicly come forward. And please, don't read between the lines. I never said Daniels and Fletcher don't count. But if you seem more intelligent than taking the word of 4% (Daniels and Fletcher) and saying that everyone believes it.

Up until this week??? We have had facts coming out for the past two years. Actually facts from his whole career starting when he stepped on that guy on the field. The guy is a thug. Details have been there the entire way, and you are just thinking that we're hearing them now?
The details we have had just this year are...

- Haynesworth accepted a 20-something million check for accepting to play in this defense...Fact
-Haynesworth skips OTA's...fact
-Haynesworth skips maditory offseason...fact
-Haynesworth doesn't pass a drill that is enforsed accross the league to make sure players are in shape (which by the way other newscasters pass on first try)...fact
-Haynesworth is injured and sits out of prtactice and falls behind on learning system...fact
-Haynesworth is called selfish by team captains and veteran players on team...fact
-Haynesworth demands that he will not play in the Okie defense and demands that he only plays in the nickel and says, I just am not good in a 3-4 system. I tried, but I'm not that good. So the team accomidates him in playing him in nickel...fact
-Haynesworth no longer plays on first and second downs and Haslett calls the nickel only on pass plays to accomidate Haynesworth's requests
-Haynesworth's brother dies, and he sits out two games (I don't get on him for this. Take as much time as you need for this)...fact
-Haynesworth shows up late and has a bad practice and Shannahan calls him into his office and tells him that he has to pick it up if he wants to play on Sunday, he misses the next practice due to being sick...fact
_Haynesworth is suspend....fact

Now we learn all the facts in between. My point is, haven't you been able to see this from the beginning...knowing what went on with Blache last year?

Countertrey wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

dcsportsbog

Brian Orakpo to Sirius NFL Radio: "I mean, me, personally, I would love to still play with Haynesworth."

I can't imagine ANY defensive lineman or linebacker NOT wanting a motivated AH playing next to or in front of him... The problem is, there is no context to the quote. Was it an absolute statement? Was it contingent? Was there a modifier?

in other words... "and?"

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm tired of the pissing contest. It's obvious my positive hope for Haynesworth wasn't correct, but I still refuse to put all this on Al.

It's a lot easier to make a case from hindsight. Some of those factsare more debatable than others, but I'm tired of arguing. He's thru here regardless and that's all that matters bottom line. I just hope Shanahan deals with these types of situations better in the future.

skinsfan#33 wrote:Why is everyone assuming AH is done with the skins?

He is under contract for next year. Now he could elect to become a free agent (and pay back about $16M of the $20M he got last spring).
Everyone keeps forgetting that part of him accepting the $20M. His contract was reworked so that the bonus counted just last year and there is still a chance the skins pretend that he is in their plans for next year hoping one of two things happens. Someone gives them a draft pick or AH says he's had enough and gives back $16M to become a FA!
My guess is neither happens and the skins hold on to him until all of the large FA money is gone. They may even keep him until training camp. Not likely, but they could.

chiefhog44 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

dcsportsbog

Brian Orakpo to Sirius NFL Radio: "I mean, me, personally, I would love to still play with Haynesworth."

Just FYI, I heard this interview and this is taken out of context. His next line was something like..."but I just can't throw someone under the bus. I tried to get him to play all the time. we all did. His locker was right next to mine and I kept telling him, just come on and play. But Al is Al. He was like this in Tennessee. If Al doesn't want to play, no one's going to tell him that he has to. Then Tim Ryan asked, Rak, come on bro, they asked you last year to play the SAM Backer in the 4-3. Play the curl to flat all year long. Did you like it? Did you do it? Did you? in which Orakpo replied, Yea your right, your right, I just did it and didn't say a word, I know. But I just can't throw a person under the bus like that, we just have to move on, you know what I'm saying, I can't throw someone under the bus right now. To which Tim Ryan said, yea, I can read between the lines.

This is not word for word, but pretty close.

Red_One43 wrote:"I love the game of football. Let ME play football. Let ME be great at it. Let ME accomplish my goals. I want to be the best defensive tackle to ever play this game. Let ME accomplish my goals." Haynesworth said.

From the interview with Haynesworth on 106.7 the FAN Monday night
12/6/2010

Irn-Bru wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:"I love the game of football." Haynesworth said.

After Agreeing to Huge Contract, Redskins May Be Wise to Let Haynesworth Freelance

By Jason La Canfora
Saturday, February 28, 2009



For a good five years, Jim Washburn tried to buck Albert Haynesworth. The Tennessee Titans' defensive line coach wanted to mold the fiery defensive tackle into a prototypical lineman, harping on technique and footwork, clashing repeatedly with his most gifted pupil.

Finally, a couple of years ago, he relented. Haynesworth was a special case, as angry and recalcitrant at times as he was talented, and Washburn, 59, was ready to make an exception for him. He granted the 6-foot-6, 320-pound lineman rare privileges to rush the passer with relative abandon, eschew much traditional technique and search for ways to best maximize his unique skills.

"I realized I had to cut my losses," Washburn said by telephone from his office yesterday, hours after the Washington Redskins signed Haynesworth to the richest contract ever for a defensive player in the NFL. "I stopped trying to make him a technique player. After a while, I adapted to him and what he does and stopped trying to fight to make him a conventional tackle. He's a non-traditional player, and I think the coaches there will find that out.

"It wasn't without a lot of turmoil that we got to that point, but I decided I wasn't going to put a plow on a racehorse. I wasn't going to saddle him with that anymore. You might hear some people say I let him freelance, but I let him play and tried to do what was best to help us win games. I'm not really into paralysis by analysis."

Perhaps Redskins defensive coordinator Greg Blache, a taskmaster and a disciple of rigid technique, would be wise to accept this reality from the onset. Haynesworth, 27, is unlikely to be any less headstrong after agreeing to a seven-year deal worth a maximum of $115 million, with a record $41 million guaranteed and $32 million to be paid out over just 13 months. And after the production Washburn helped cull from this athlete -- altering the scope and alignment of his entire line to suit Haynesworth's abilities -- it would make little sense to try to force him into such confines now. "I want to be able to attack my gap, make plays and everybody make plays off of me," said Haynesworth, who regularly beats double-teams. "I want to do almost the same thing I did in Tennessee."
Blache, whose team ranked 28th in sacks and had the third-fewest takeaways in the NFL last season, appears willing to oblige. "When you add a talent to this degree, you adjust things to fit him," he said. "We realize that we've got something that we haven't had before." A year ago, on a smaller scale, the Redskins traded a second-round pick for defensive end Jason Taylor, a player accustomed to being allowed to sacrifice run responsibilities in a 3-4 front to attack the passer. He flopped in Blache's disciplined system, expressing frustration about his role when the season concluded. With Haynesworth -- a player accustomed to angry outbursts -- the fuse stands to be much shorter, and the stakes far higher. Blache's tackles generally bear immense run responsibilities -- his scheme is based on simplicity and stopping the run above all else -- and primarily are utilized to absorb blockers to create room for linebackers to make plays. Haynesworth is used to firing off the line on instinct, relying on his size, strength and "God-given gifts," as Washburn put it, to surge through offensive linemen and make plays.

"If you try to rigid him down and say you have to play this stance, he'll tell them to [kiss off]," one NFL coach familiar with Haynesworth said. "The one thing Albert is really special at is rushing the passer from the inside, and he plays the run on the way to the pass. If you try to screw him down with run technique and stopping the run first, which is how they play, then that's really a disservice to his abilities."

Washburn can attest to that. The Titans knew they were getting a potential problem child when they drafted Haynesworth 15th overall in 2002 out of Tennessee. He had encountered his fair share of trouble through his school years and had "fallen out of favor" with his high school coach in his senior year, Washburn said. But his unparalleled collection of frame and potential was too compelling to pass up, and the Titans hoped Washburn could work him into shape.

"It was very painful coaching Albert for a long time," Washburn said, prefacing his phone interview with the caveat that he would not be taking time out of his day to talk if not for his affection for his former player. "But he matured after a while. I tried to dangle the carrot in front of him sometimes, and he came to see the money some guys were making, and what they were accomplishing, going to the Pro Bowl and things like that, and I think he wanted to achieve that, too." Besides relaxing Haynesworth's technical burdens, Washburn created other avenues to help the tackle flourish. He used him as a defensive end on many passing downs, and would draw significant attention from tight ends and chips from running backs when doing so.

"One-on-one, you don't see anyone blocking him," said Redskins defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin, now slated to start alongside Haynesworth.

"His speed rushing off the edge is tremendous," one NFL personnel executive said, "and he can play right [tackle], he can play left [tackle] and he can play both end positions."

Washburn, who has developed seven top-notch linemen this decade and calls Haynesworth the brightest player he has coached, based much of his game plan on generating advantageous matchups. Washburn would identify the weakest offensive lineman and try to get Haynesworth as many snaps as possible in his face, regardless of whether it was a center, guard or tackle. In 2007, he also switched his best pass-rushing end, Pro Bowler Kyle Vanden Bosch, to the right side to play next to Haynesworth, using one or the other as a decoy and establishing one of the best tandems in the NFL.

"They ate lunch together every day, they sat together at every meeting," Washburn said. "It was a rare combination, and Kyle held Albert accountable."

In Washington, the task is quite different. The team believes that Haynesworth's presence will defy the age and limitations of their starting ends, Taylor and Andre Carter, both of whom are coming off of poor seasons. They are betting that Haynesworth's attitude, fitness and health issues -- he has averaged just 12 starts per season since becoming a full-time starter in 2003, and has never played more than 65 percent of his team's snaps -- are behind him. Instead, they are expecting him to repeat the monster, 8 1/2 -sack season he had in 2008 (one less than Haynesworth had in his first five seasons combined).

With just four picks in April's draft, the Redskins are wagering that a Haynesworth-led defense will put points on the scoreboard and dominate field position, as their 19th-ranked offense, unable to run the ball or pass protect in the second half of the season, awaits reinforcements, particularly on the line, with what little salary cap space remains.

TCIYM wrote:I stopped at "Jason LaCanfora."

Red_One43 wrote:With Haynesworth resurfacing in the news I wanted to post this article by Jason La Confora soon after Haynesworth signed with the Skins that proves that Haynesworth was a guy difficult with epic proportions for coaches to deal with. Also, that Cerrato clearly did not do any homework on the Haynesworth. Haynesworth's rep was out there, but the Skins bit hook line and sinker. The Titans got two All-Pro seasons out of Haynesworth but no Super Bowl - not even an appearance.


After Agreeing to Huge Contract, Redskins May Be Wise to Let Haynesworth Freelance

By Jason La Canfora
Saturday, February 28, 2009



For[color=darkred] a good five years, Jim Washburn tried to buck Albert Haynesworth. The Tennessee Titans' defensive line coach wanted to mold the fiery defensive tackle into a prototypical lineman, harping on technique and footwork, clashing repeatedly with his most gifted pupil.

Finally, a couple of years ago, he relented. Haynesworth was a special case, as angry and recalcitrant at times as he was talented, and Washburn, 59, was ready to make an exception for him. He granted the 6-foot-6, 320-pound lineman rare privileges to rush the passer with relative abandon, eschew much traditional technique and search for ways to best maximize his unique skills.

"I realized I had to cut my losses," Washburn said by telephone from his office yesterday, hours after the Washington Redskins signed Haynesworth to the richest contract ever for a defensive player in the NFL. "I stopped trying to make him a technique player. After a while, I adapted to him and what he does and stopped trying to fight to make him a conventional tackle. He's a non-traditional player, and I think the coaches there will find that out.

"It wasn't without a lot of turmoil that we got to that point, but I decided I wasn't going to put a plow on a racehorse. I wasn't going to saddle him with that anymore. You might hear some people say I let him freelance, but I let him play and tried to do what was best to help us win games. I'm not really into paralysis by analysis."

Perhaps Redskins defensive coordinator Greg Blache, a taskmaster and a disciple of rigid technique, would be wise to accept this reality from the onset. Haynesworth, 27, is unlikely to be any less headstrong after agreeing to a seven-year deal worth a maximum of $115 million, with a record $41 million guaranteed and $32 million to be paid out over just 13 months. And after the production Washburn helped cull from this athlete -- altering the scope and alignment of his entire line to suit Haynesworth's abilities -- it would make little sense to try to force him into such confines now. "I want to be able to attack my gap, make plays and everybody make plays off of me," said Haynesworth, who regularly beats double-teams. "I want to do almost the same thing I did in Tennessee."
Blache, whose team ranked 28th in sacks and had the third-fewest takeaways in the NFL last season, appears willing to oblige. "When you add a talent to this degree, you adjust things to fit him," he said. "We realize that we've got something that we haven't had before." A year ago, on a smaller scale, the Redskins traded a second-round pick for defensive end Jason Taylor, a player accustomed to being allowed to sacrifice run responsibilities in a 3-4 front to attack the passer. He flopped in Blache's disciplined system, expressing frustration about his role when the season concluded. With Haynesworth -- a player accustomed to angry outbursts -- the fuse stands to be much shorter, and the stakes far higher. Blache's tackles generally bear immense run responsibilities -- his scheme is based on simplicity and stopping the run above all else -- and primarily are utilized to absorb blockers to create room for linebackers to make plays. Haynesworth is used to firing off the line on instinct, relying on his size, strength and "God-given gifts," as Washburn put it, to surge through offensive linemen and make plays.

"If you try to rigid him down and say you have to play this stance, he'll tell them to [kiss off]," one NFL coach familiar with Haynesworth said. "The one thing Albert is really special at is rushing the passer from the inside, and he plays the run on the way to the pass. If you try to screw him down with run technique and stopping the run first, which is how they play, then that's really a disservice to his abilities."

Washburn can attest to that. The Titans knew they were getting a potential problem child when they drafted Haynesworth 15th overall in 2002 out of Tennessee. He had encountered his fair share of trouble through his school years and had "fallen out of favor" with his high school coach in his senior year, Washburn said. But his unparalleled collection of frame and potential was too compelling to pass up, and the Titans hoped Washburn could work him into shape.

"It was very painful coaching Albert for a long time," Washburn said, prefacing his phone interview with the caveat that he would not be taking time out of his day to talk if not for his affection for his former player. "But he matured after a while. I tried to dangle the carrot in front of him sometimes, and he came to see the money some guys were making, and what they were accomplishing, going to the Pro Bowl and things like that, and I think he wanted to achieve that, too." Besides relaxing Haynesworth's technical burdens, Washburn created other avenues to help the tackle flourish. He used him as a defensive end on many passing downs, and would draw significant attention from tight ends and chips from running backs when doing so.

"One-on-one, you don't see anyone blocking him," said Redskins defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin, now slated to start alongside Haynesworth.

"His speed rushing off the edge is tremendous," one NFL personnel executive said, "and he can play right [tackle], he can play left [tackle] and he can play both end positions."

Washburn, who has developed seven top-notch linemen this decade and calls Haynesworth the brightest player he has coached, based much of his game plan on generating advantageous matchups. Washburn would identify the weakest offensive lineman and try to get Haynesworth as many snaps as possible in his face, regardless of whether it was a center, guard or tackle. In 2007, he also switched his best pass-rushing end, Pro Bowler Kyle Vanden Bosch, to the right side to play next to Haynesworth, using one or the other as a decoy and establishing one of the best tandems in the NFL.

"They ate lunch together every day, they sat together at every meeting," Washburn said. "It was a rare combination, and Kyle held Albert accountable."

In Washington, the task is quite different. The team believes that Haynesworth's presence will defy the age and limitations of their starting ends, Taylor and Andre Carter, both of whom are coming off of poor seasons. They are betting that Haynesworth's attitude, fitness and health issues -- he has averaged just 12 starts per season since becoming a full-time starter in 2003, and has never played more than 65 percent of his team's snaps -- are behind him. Instead, they are expecting him to repeat the monster, 8 1/2 -sack season he had in 2008 (one less than Haynesworth had in his first five seasons combined).

With just four picks in April's draft, the Redskins are wagering that a Haynesworth-led defense will put points on the scoreboard and dominate field position, as their 19th-ranked offense, unable to run the ball or pass protect in the second half of the season, awaits reinforcements, particularly on the line, with what little salary cap space remains. [/color]

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