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Irn-Bru wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:we are coming off a long period of bad management and it is going to take time to fix the damage done by dumb and dumber - we still look like a 8-8 or 9-7 team and that would be fantastic - IMO we are already improved from where we were at the begining of this year


I agree and think that's what we have to keep coming back to.


That's not the point I started this thread with though. I'm not comparing the '10 skins to the '09 skins or the '09 cowboys or the '10 Giants or the '87 skins. I'm comparing what is happening to what I think should be happening. And I'm not digging what's happening when tough situations come up.

I can let go of the past. I don't have to start or derail threads about JC or about Zorn and Snyderatto. I'm talkin current events.
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SkinsJock wrote:I'm sorry - I don't agree

The Redskins FO brought in the OC who just happened to have the #1 offense in the NFL - Mike did not hire his son!

I do think that a lot of what Kyle is doing is totally supported and influenced by Mike but this guy is recognized as being a good offensive line coach and getting a lot out of his offenses

I also think that if Mike & Bruce feel that Kyle is not doing the job that he is capable of, he will be let go

nobody is "protected' here - everybody is accountable


we are coming off a long period of bad management and it is going to take time to fix the damage done by dumb and dumber - we still look like a 8-8 or 9-7 team and that would be fantastic - IMO we are already improved from where we were at the begining of this year


Mike didn't hire his son? I thought he was the one that put this coaching staff together.
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SkinsJock wrote:nobody is "protected' here - everybody is accountable



Mike Shanahan is his father. You dont think that offers any type of job security?


There are a number of conflicts that could possibly arise.


Mike may not go as hard on his son as he would another coordinator? Mike may go too hard on his son? Mike may not overrule his sons play calls when he feels necessary? Mike may not tweek the game plan as he normally would?

From Kyles side,
Kyle subconciously does not have to worry about job security. So this can either provide piece of mind and allow him to concentrate better on the offensive game plan?

Or Kyle may not work as hard because he does not have to worry about losing his job.

Either way working with your own son affects the way you make your descisions. Try and tell me its not true. Every father out there knows how this is. Either you go too hard or too soft. Or somewhere in the middle. Either way it is a conflict of interest.

Important game descisions are influenced by Mike and Kyles relationship. That is the bottom line.

Most human beings don't know there limits until they are pushed to it and past it. Part of exceeding your limits in performance is a fear of losing your job.

I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more. Dont care what people say. Father and son love each other. It gets in the way. The man held Kyle in his arms when he was a baby. Give me a break there is always a conflict of interest with family and work.
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HEROHAMO wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:nobody is "protected' here - everybody is accountable



Mike Shanahan is his father. You dont think that offers any type of job security?


There are a number of conflicts that could possibly arise.


Mike may not go as hard on his son as he would another coordinator? Mike may go too hard on his son? Mike may not overrule his sons play calls when he feels necessary? Mike may not tweek the game plan as he normally would?

From Kyles side,
Kyle subconciously does not have to worry about job security. So this can either provide piece of mind and allow him to concentrate better on the offensive game plan?

Or Kyle may not work as hard because he does not have to worry about losing his job.

Most human beings don't know there limits until they are pushed to it and past it. Part of exceeding your limits in performance is a fear of losing your job.

I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more. Dont care what people say. Father and son love each other. It gets in the way. The man held Kyle in his arms when he was a baby. Give me a break there is always a conflict of interest with family and work.


You are making way too big of a deal out of this. Look around college and pro sports and there are lots and lots of team where father/son coach together or a son plays for his dad. It works in plenty of places and there is no reason to think that it wont work out here.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:nobody is "protected' here - everybody is accountable



Mike Shanahan is his father. You dont think that offers any type of job security?


There are a number of conflicts that could possibly arise.


Mike may not go as hard on his son as he would another coordinator? Mike may go too hard on his son? Mike may not overrule his sons play calls when he feels necessary? Mike may not tweek the game plan as he normally would?

From Kyles side,
Kyle subconciously does not have to worry about job security. So this can either provide piece of mind and allow him to concentrate better on the offensive game plan?

Or Kyle may not work as hard because he does not have to worry about losing his job.

Most human beings don't know there limits until they are pushed to it and past it. Part of exceeding your limits in performance is a fear of losing your job.

I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more. Dont care what people say. Father and son love each other. It gets in the way. The man held Kyle in his arms when he was a baby. Give me a break there is always a conflict of interest with family and work.


You are making way too big of a deal out of this. Look around college and pro sports and there are lots and lots of team where father/son coach together or a son plays for his dad. It works in plenty of places and there is no reason to think that it wont work out here.


Can you name a SuperBowl winning combo? Or a National Championship father and son duo?


I just think that Mike without Kyle or Kyle without mike on different teams would excel much better without having a family member on staff.

It is a big deal trust me. This is a game of adjustments on the fly. You have a game plan and then you tweek accordingly during the game play by play.

Mike may not overrule a play he does not like? Mike may not change the game plan to save his sons reputation? There are a number of possibilities that exist.

Important football decisions will be influenced by there personal relationship. This is absolutely true. Any father or son can attest to this.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:You are making way too big of a deal out of this. Look around college and pro sports and there are lots and lots of team where father/son coach together or a son plays for his dad. It works in plenty of places and there is no reason to think that it wont work out here.


Some of us believe that this past weekend could provide details otherwise.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:That's not the point I started this thread with though. I'm not comparing the '10 skins to the '09 skins or the '09 cowboys or the '10 Giants or the '87 skins. I'm comparing what is happening to what I think should be happening. And I'm not digging what's happening when tough situations come up.

I can let go of the past. I don't have to start or derail threads about JC or about Zorn and Snyderatto. I'm talkin current events.

Fair enough - I think that there's been a lot of mistakes made - I like to think that you learn more from mistakes than when things just seem to all go "according to plan".
So, hopefully this group of players and coaches is making progress while learning from their mistakes

I think that we have come a long way from where we were and still obviously have a ways to go - despite the defensive stats or the win/loss record we were in dire straits - we have improved in certain areas but we have the oldest team in the NFL and despite all the factors we are 4-4 at the break, that's improvement

this past weekend was a horror show but we have to go on and while I have no problem with over analysing things here I hope the guys get on with what they do because IMO this is way overblown - IF the players and coaches are on the same page then all the guys making stuff up are not achieving anything because they are just showing how they feel and in some cases, how little they really know

I think that the guys in charge have earned the right to continue to do what they think is right because in my opinion the good things they have done far outweigh the stupid mistakes


hopefully Mike will come up with a way to get this franchise to a record of 8-8 or 9-7 and we'll look forward to next year :D
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CanesSkins26 wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:nobody is "protected' here - everybody is accountable



Mike Shanahan is his father. You dont think that offers any type of job security?


There are a number of conflicts that could possibly arise.


Mike may not go as hard on his son as he would another coordinator? Mike may go too hard on his son? Mike may not overrule his sons play calls when he feels necessary? Mike may not tweek the game plan as he normally would?

From Kyles side,
Kyle subconciously does not have to worry about job security. So this can either provide piece of mind and allow him to concentrate better on the offensive game plan?

Or Kyle may not work as hard because he does not have to worry about losing his job.

Most human beings don't know there limits until they are pushed to it and past it. Part of exceeding your limits in performance is a fear of losing your job.

I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more. Dont care what people say. Father and son love each other. It gets in the way. The man held Kyle in his arms when he was a baby. Give me a break there is always a conflict of interest with family and work.


You are making way too big of a deal out of this. Look around college and pro sports and there are lots and lots of team where father/son coach together or a son plays for his dad. It works in plenty of places and there is no reason to think that it wont work out here.



Ill take it to the extreme.


Can u imagine having a mother as the offensive coordinator? Or having your mother as the head coach? Can u see how that would affect the way things run? All respect to mothers out there. Just using this as an example.

How about a wife and husband combo? Hey hunny lets run the old power right play. Ooh you look so sexy when you give orders baby. Chuckle....

No conflicts at all. Uh huh.

How about the Momma and son combo?
(Mom)Son sweetie run the old counter tre.

(Son) But momma they are stacking the box with eight and have been blitzing those gaps all day.

(Mom)Just do it son.

(Son) Ok momma love you.


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SkinsJock wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:That's not the point I started this thread with though. I'm not comparing the '10 skins to the '09 skins or the '09 cowboys or the '10 Giants or the '87 skins. I'm comparing what is happening to what I think should be happening. And I'm not digging what's happening when tough situations come up.

I can let go of the past. I don't have to start or derail threads about JC or about Zorn and Snyderatto. I'm talkin current events.

Fair enough - I think that there's been a lot of mistakes made - I like to think that you learn more from mistakes than when things just seem to all go "according to plan".
So, hopefully this group of players and coaches is making progress while learning from their mistakes

I think that we have come a long way from where we were and still obviously have a ways to go - despite the defensive stats or the win/loss record we were in dire straits - we have improved in certain areas but we have the oldest team in the NFL and despite all the factors we are 4-4 at the break, that's improvement

this past weekend was a horror show but we have to go on and while I have no problem with over analysing things here I hope the guys get on with what they do because IMO this is way overblown - IF the players and coaches are on the same page then all the guys making stuff up are not achieving anything because they are just showing how they feel and in some cases, how little they really know

I think that the guys in charge have earned the right to continue to do what they think is right because in my opinion the good things they have done far outweigh the stupid mistakes


hopefully Mike will come up with a way to get this franchise to a record of 8-8 or 9-7 and we'll look forward to next year :D



I'll go along with that. That is the way to look at it. We are having problems and making mistakes. We have yet to win our 5th game but I am sure we will. I just hope we don't lose any key players from here on out or it might be hard to out do our 4 and 12 record from last year. I am thinking that all teams will bring the sink for now on and we have to win some of these games. We have to burn them atleast some of the time when they blitz. Mcnab did do that earlier in the year. After all MS did say at the start it wont be done over night.
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HEROHAMO wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:nobody is "protected' here - everybody is accountable



Mike Shanahan is his father. You dont think that offers any type of job security?


There are a number of conflicts that could possibly arise.


Mike may not go as hard on his son as he would another coordinator? Mike may go too hard on his son? Mike may not overrule his sons play calls when he feels necessary? Mike may not tweek the game plan as he normally would?

From Kyles side,
Kyle subconciously does not have to worry about job security. So this can either provide piece of mind and allow him to concentrate better on the offensive game plan?

Or Kyle may not work as hard because he does not have to worry about losing his job.

Either way working with your own son affects the way you make your descisions. Try and tell me its not true. Every father out there knows how this is. Either you go too hard or too soft. Or somewhere in the middle. Either way it is a conflict of interest.

Important game descisions are influenced by Mike and Kyles relationship. That is the bottom line.

Most human beings don't know there limits until they are pushed to it and past it. Part of exceeding your limits in performance is a fear of losing your job.

I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more. Dont care what people say. Father and son love each other. It gets in the way. The man held Kyle in his arms when he was a baby. Give me a break there is always a conflict of interest with family and work.


Kinda reminds me of the OLE black and white tv sitcom:

"Ward, weren't you a little hard on the Beaver last night"

yeah....fathers do go a little hard or a little soft .......on their sons.
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ok - let me say this then

IMO, Mike hired the guy that he thought was the best for the job at OC -he brought in the guy that was the OC for the #1 offense in the NFL last year - that guy just happened to be his son who just happens to run an offense like Mike wants

I think that counts for something - but go ahead - point to all the mistakes this kid is making - he's still our OC and I have a feeling he will prove to be really good at it as soon as we can get out from under this bunch of old guys that are playing on that O line



Mike probably would have done better by going to a bingo hall according to what some of you guys are thinking
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I'm sticking by my theory - Mike Shanahan will make this franchise back into being a consistent playoff contender

This franchise needed a coach like this to undo all of dumb and dumber's mistakes and to straighten out and discipline the players that need it :lol:
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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SkinsJock wrote:I'm sorry - I don't agree

The Redskins FO brought in the OC who just happened to have the #1 offense in the NFL - Mike did not hire his son!

I do think that a lot of what Kyle is doing is totally supported and influenced by Mike but this guy is recognized as being a good offensive line coach and getting a lot out of his offenses

I also think that if Mike & Bruce feel that Kyle is not doing the job that he is capable of, he will be let go

nobody is "protected' here - everybody is accountable


we are coming off a long period of bad management and it is going to take time to fix the damage done by dumb and dumber - we still look like a 8-8 or 9-7 team and that would be fantastic - IMO we are already improved from where we were at the begining of this year


First ... Houston was 4th .... not 1st .... they were 1st in passing ... 30th in running, and 10th in scoring points .... behind both Philly and the Giants who scored more points, which is kind of an important stat since these two teams are division competitors ... and without Andre Johnson and his 101 catches for 1600 yards, that might not have been as potent an offense ... he's the best receiver in the league ... and he AIN'T HERE.

Kyle Shanahan is 30 years old ... and though he is advanced as a coach for his age ... it's not like he's "DONE IT" repeatedly over a lengthy career ... he inherited a team with an excellent QB, and the best receiver in the NFL, and was successful in the passing game. I think having Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub has something to do with a potent passing attack, and having Johnson on the Redskins might make a difference, dontcha think? So was it Kyle's brilliance as a coordinator or was it Schaub to Johnson that made the Texans a great passing team? I'll take the players.

Now, as far as nepotism goes .... do you really think that Mike S. would be as quick to fire his own son as he would be to fire some other coach who's offense was failing to produce? PULLL LEEEEZE I doubt very seriously that Mike would RUIN his son's career by firing him ... and it would do just that ... RUIN HIS CAREER ..... how much worse could it get than to be so bad that your own father would fire you? I LAUGH at the silly notion that the father and son relationship is not an issue .... OF COURSE IT IS AN ISSUE.

And, GM's don't fire staff ... Head Coaches are responsible for their own staff, and no coach ... especially one the stature of Mike Shanahan would accept such front office meddling with their assistants, so the idea that Bruce Allen and Mike S would sit down and agree to fire Kyle is PIE IN THE SKY CRAZY ... he'd have to do something terrible .... something blatantly horrible to get fired ... I guarantee that from what we've seen already, this father and son act would find a way to blame Albert Haynesworth for the offensive troubles before admitting any shortcoming on Kyle's part. Hells bells, they're already blaming McNabb NOW, in spite of the lack of protection and the non-existent running game, which BY THE WAY just so happens to mirror the lousy running attack in Houston last year.

And guess what? This year, Houston has gone from 30th in rushing last year to 6th in rushing this year .... and scoring 24.3 /g versus 24.2 /g last year. So they haven't missed a beat in production with Kyle gone, and have REMARKABLY improved in their running game.

Now, I'm not blaming Kyle Shanahan for ALL of the offensive woes thus far .... but he is the Offensive Coordinator ... and he and his Dad are responsible for what goes on there ... including the play of the o-line ... who they chose to have as running backs ... receivers .... (Galloway and Williams have accounted for 11 catches between them?)

They can't claim to be victims of poor players when it was THEY who selected the players to go with.

Who was it that thought Larry Johnson AND Willie Parker should make the final 53, only to release them later .... who is it that still thinks that Roydell Williams and Joey Galloway are better options at wide receiver than Randy Moss ... whom the Redskins could have claimed off waivers? And who is it that thinks it is not the o-line but McNabb who needs to play better?

And who was it that thought that Rex Grossman gave the Redskins the best chance to win last Sunday?

Right now ... this team is two plays away from being 2-6 .... that's a fact ... and they could be 1-7.

So far, it's been an inconsistent defense that has made the Redskins 4-4 with some huge big plays ... Orakpo, Landry. Hall ... and Banks have made the difference, along with only McNabb and his league leading 50+ yarders that have kept this team from being cellar dwellers.

That's the bottom line here. EVERYTHING else points to a Head Coach that has demonstrated stubborn arrogance in his dealings with two star players on a team sorely lacking in star players. This team cannot afford to alienate such players, and expect that it will somehow improve the team's performance.

And, they ONLY thing that Kyle has proven thus far is that his play calling doesn't place anymore value on the running game here than he did in Houston, and his judgement in which QB gives the Redskins the best chance of winning seems to be shared only by his FATHER .... everyone else on planet earth thinks it was a bone headed decision.
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HEROHAMO wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:nobody is "protected' here - everybody is accountable



Mike Shanahan is his father. You dont think that offers any type of job security?


There are a number of conflicts that could possibly arise.


Mike may not go as hard on his son as he would another coordinator? Mike may go too hard on his son? Mike may not overrule his sons play calls when he feels necessary? Mike may not tweek the game plan as he normally would?

From Kyles side,
Kyle subconciously does not have to worry about job security. So this can either provide piece of mind and allow him to concentrate better on the offensive game plan?

Or Kyle may not work as hard because he does not have to worry about losing his job.

Either way working with your own son affects the way you make your descisions. Try and tell me its not true. Every father out there knows how this is. Either you go too hard or too soft. Or somewhere in the middle. Either way it is a conflict of interest.

Important game descisions are influenced by Mike and Kyles relationship. That is the bottom line.

Most human beings don't know there limits until they are pushed to it and past it. Part of exceeding your limits in performance is a fear of losing your job.

I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more. Dont care what people say. Father and son love each other. It gets in the way. The man held Kyle in his arms when he was a baby. Give me a break there is always a conflict of interest with family and work.


I agree .... a father & son team doesn't mean it can't be wildly successful, but it sure does pose MAJOR issues if success is elusive.

Dad & Son are now a team ... and you can bet your last dollar that McNabb and every other body on offense will be thrown under the bus before you see Kyle's body there.

So we're going to live or die by the coaching talents of those two inseparable men ....

Unfortunately, they haven't demonstrated impeccable wisdom in their handling of players or their decision making in strategy.

Haynesworth and McNabb are just the most visible ..

One could argue that it was a mistake to revamp the entire defensive philosophy ... when adding a solid free safety and moving Landry back to his natural position of SS would have netted the best results, allowing them to focus on offensive talent, where it was needed the most.

That would have tailored the defense to the personnel ... avoided the Haynesworth fiasco ... and provided McNabb with better talent to work behind.

As for McNabb .... you get what you get with him .... it's rather foolish to expect to make any significant changes to his fundamentals ... or change his game in significant ways at this stage in his career. There is more than enough data on him to know what you're getting ... and you run with that by tailoring the offense to take advantage of his strengths ... not try and tweak him at the same time he's expected to learn a new system, new teammates, new coaches, etc, while playing behind a line that can't block ANYBODY.

Frankly, I've heard about as much as I care to about cardiovascular issues from Shanahan .... go be a freaking aerobics instructor, or drop the cardio act.
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Can you name a SuperBowl winning combo? Or a National Championship father and son duo?


Tubby Smith/Saul Smith (coach/player) 1998 National Champion Kentucky Wildcats

Bobby Bowden/Jeff Bowden (coach/coach) 1999 National Champion FSU Seminoles. During their time coaching together FSU finished ranked in the top 10 seven straight years and won a national championship.

Skip Holtz was on Lou Holtz's staff in 1993 when Notre Dame finished the season ranked #2 in the country.

I don't have time now but I'll look up NFL info later.
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I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more


And I've been in situations with family members working together where a father treats his son harder than others because he didn't want to come off as giving preferential treatment. You can generalize things all you want but you know exactly zero about the inner-workings of the Skins coaching staff. All this panic based off of what happened in one game is pointless and absurd.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:
I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more


And I've been in situations with family members working together where a father treats his son harder than others because he didn't want to come off as giving preferential treatment. You can generalize things all you want but you know exactly zero about the inner-workings of the Skins coaching staff. All this panic based off of what happened in one game is pointless and absurd.


The fact is that it's a plausible theory. Just b/c you choose not to believe it doesn't mean there's no chance it's true.
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RayNAustin wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:nobody is "protected' here - everybody is accountable



Mike Shanahan is his father. You dont think that offers any type of job security?


There are a number of conflicts that could possibly arise.


Mike may not go as hard on his son as he would another coordinator? Mike may go too hard on his son? Mike may not overrule his sons play calls when he feels necessary? Mike may not tweek the game plan as he normally would?

From Kyles side,
Kyle subconciously does not have to worry about job security. So this can either provide piece of mind and allow him to concentrate better on the offensive game plan?

Or Kyle may not work as hard because he does not have to worry about losing his job.

Either way working with your own son affects the way you make your descisions. Try and tell me its not true. Every father out there knows how this is. Either you go too hard or too soft. Or somewhere in the middle. Either way it is a conflict of interest.

Important game descisions are influenced by Mike and Kyles relationship. That is the bottom line.

Most human beings don't know there limits until they are pushed to it and past it. Part of exceeding your limits in performance is a fear of losing your job.

I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more. Dont care what people say. Father and son love each other. It gets in the way. The man held Kyle in his arms when he was a baby. Give me a break there is always a conflict of interest with family and work.


I agree .... a father & son team doesn't mean it can't be wildly successful, but it sure does pose MAJOR issues if success is elusive.

Dad & Son are now a team ... and you can bet your last dollar that McNabb and every other body on offense will be thrown under the bus before you see Kyle's body there.

So we're going to live or die by the coaching talents of those two inseparable men ....

Unfortunately, they haven't demonstrated impeccable wisdom in their handling of players or their decision making in strategy.

Haynesworth and McNabb are just the most visible ..

One could argue that it was a mistake to revamp the entire defensive philosophy ... when adding a solid free safety and moving Landry back to his natural position of SS would have netted the best results, allowing them to focus on offensive talent, where it was needed the most.

That would have tailored the defense to the personnel ... avoided the Haynesworth fiasco ... and provided McNabb with better talent to work behind.

As for McNabb .... you get what you get with him .... it's rather foolish to expect to make any significant changes to his fundamentals ... or change his game in significant ways at this stage in his career. There is more than enough data on him to know what you're getting ... and you run with that by tailoring the offense to take advantage of his strengths ... not try and tweak him at the same time he's expected to learn a new system, new teammates, new coaches, etc, while playing behind a line that can't block ANYBODY.

Frankly, I've heard about as much as I care to about cardiovascular issues from Shanahan .... go be a freaking aerobics instructor, or drop the cardio act.


Thank you. I have and many other have stated it. What drives me crazy is trading for mcnab...That is a win now philosophy. If you want to win now then why revamp the defense knowing it (personnel)isn't suited for it?


Things might and probably will work out lets see.
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Post by Irn-Bru »

VetSkinsFan wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more


And I've been in situations with family members working together where a father treats his son harder than others because he didn't want to come off as giving preferential treatment. You can generalize things all you want but you know exactly zero about the inner-workings of the Skins coaching staff. All this panic based off of what happened in one game is pointless and absurd.


The fact is that it's a plausible theory. Just b/c you choose not to believe it doesn't mean there's no chance it's true.


I don't think CansSkins is saying that it's not true, I think he's saying that there's nowhere near enough evidence to make any kind of informed claim one way or the other.
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For every son who receives preferential treatment by a dad in an organizational hierarchy, you can most likely find 4 or 5 who found their expectations to be MUCH more severe than their co-workers... I suspect that young Shanahan may find the latter to be the case... Where a Dad may be diplomatic with a regular employee... son is likely to get the raw, unedited version of that opinion...

I think that when my own son was on teams that I coached, he likely felt that he was held to a higher standard than his peers... and it was absolutely true.
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Irn-Bru wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more


And I've been in situations with family members working together where a father treats his son harder than others because he didn't want to come off as giving preferential treatment. You can generalize things all you want but you know exactly zero about the inner-workings of the Skins coaching staff. All this panic based off of what happened in one game is pointless and absurd.


The fact is that it's a plausible theory. Just b/c you choose not to believe it doesn't mean there's no chance it's true.


I don't think CansSkins is saying that it's not true, I think he's saying that there's nowhere near enough evidence to make any kind of informed claim one way or the other.


Absolutely. :up:
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We really don't know much at all - we all think about it very differently

Personally, anytime somebody gets a little excited or outlandish with their posts, as some here have done recently, I tend to think that they're really trying to hype stuff and therefore I don't pay too much attention

I'm happy that Shanahan is our coach

I'm happy about the OC and DC as well

I'm happy about McNabb being here despite the draft picks - Campbell was hopeless


I was a little worried about what happened recently and how it was handled but now that I've heard from all the 'experts' I'm pretty sure this is just another big mistake and it's going to be a non event shortly


I'm looking forward and not feeling too bad about things, mainly because of some of the absolutely ridiculous theories that some here are spewing out

this franchise is going to be fine and thank God we have the guys in charge that we have
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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After reading the diatribes - if Shanahan gets this group to 8-8 or 9-7, I will look forward to hearing from all those that pointed to all the reasons we are so doomed - I can't wait to hear the excuses for mis-judging this HC, these players and the coaches

don't tell me that is what is expected - the posts above from the doubters are all about how bad all these guys are and how badly they are managing things - we shall see
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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Countertrey wrote:For every son who receives preferential treatment by a dad in an organizational hierarchy, you can most likely find 4 or 5 who found their expectations to be MUCH more severe than their co-workers... I suspect that young Shanahan may find the latter to be the case... Where a Dad may be diplomatic with a regular employee... son is likely to get the raw, unedited version of that opinion...

I think that when my own son was on teams that I coached, he likely felt that he was held to a higher standard than his peers... and it was absolutely true.


Possible preferential treatment on the job may be a problem. I don't know. But what is absurd is to believe that Kyle has more talent than other candidates for the job. The odds are astronomical against that case. He received preferential treatment from the get go-- hence a career. This kind of crap goes on all the time. Think about who's our GM and then ask yourself why our OL still sucks.
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Post by CanesSkins26 »

Irn-Bru wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
I have worked with friends and family many times. You always get treated better and can get away with much more


And I've been in situations with family members working together where a father treats his son harder than others because he didn't want to come off as giving preferential treatment. You can generalize things all you want but you know exactly zero about the inner-workings of the Skins coaching staff. All this panic based off of what happened in one game is pointless and absurd.


The fact is that it's a plausible theory. Just b/c you choose not to believe it doesn't mean there's no chance it's true.


I don't think CansSkins is saying that it's not true, I think he's saying that there's nowhere near enough evidence to make any kind of informed claim one way or the other.


That's exactly my point. Thanks for saying it more clearly than I managed to.
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