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RedskinsFreak wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:But Markysharky...statistics show that campbell is'nt the biggest concern, that other qbs on winning teams are prforming compartively and that really its just your opinion (and a few others) that dudes underpreforming.....even though the stats show hes not :shock: :P

You seriously have to be joking.

Don't waste your time. We all know that "good stats" doesn't necessarily mean "good player."

We know the some of the best player in league history were not any good. Right?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:ive watched every snap.....u dont see improvement?

I mean sure there is some improvement. He's still nothing more than a backup NFL qb.

ok but for teams sake hopefully he gets the td stat up cuz other than that his numbers indicat he "is" a starting caliber qb....

Padding stats during garbage time against prevent D's doesn't make someone starting caliber.

Every QB in the NFL pads his stats in garbage time. Campbell's stats are valid. He's been terrific this year all over the field, including the red zone, when given the opportunity. Wake up please. We can't score because our Ol is absolutely the pits and Zorn wastes too many downs running into advancing walls, both in red zones, and, less frequently, everywhere else.

markshark84 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:how many tds has portis scored so far this season?

When defenses put 8 in the box on every play because JC can't stretch the field, even Jesus Christ himself couldn't get into the endzone or rush for 100 yards.

They put eight in the box because they know Zorn. Campbell has already proved he can stretch the field, many times. That's why his qb rating is so high. JC has been the whole offense this year. He completed passes to about ten receivers, from every distance, against the Lions.

chiefs release Monty Biesel....we should sign him cuz london fletcher has proven he cant play defense........hes been here 3 years and no playoffs.....he could save Zorns job

crazyhorse1 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:....every catagory. Except tds.......dude is playing better football this year......its not the qb........if the d could get off the field wed score more tds! By far the best player on our O right now.

Take out the garbage time drives against the Giants and the Lions and what are you left with? How can you praise a qb that in three entire games has led his team to a grand total of ONE TD AGAINST NON-PREVENT DEFENSES??? JC is slow making his reads, has horrible pocket awareness, misses open receivers, has no touch on the ball, and can't throw a catchable deep ball. If we had been playing a competent team yesterday JC would have had two more int's, one of which would have been an easy pick 6.

This opinion can't be backed up by stats or common sense. JC is our top player this year-- unless Fletcher is considered.

Thanks for the laugh, but really read the entire thread. We have covered this ad nauseum. I did enjoy the comment though. Once you get past stats and understand the game, you'll realize the JC statement is completely idiotic.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:how many tds has portis scored so far this season?

When defenses put 8 in the box on every play because JC can't stretch the field, even Jesus Christ himself couldn't get into the endzone or rush for 100 yards.

They put eight in the box because they know Zorn. Campbell has already proved he can stretch the field, many times. That's why his qb rating is so high. JC has been the whole offense this year. He completed passes to about ten receivers, from every distance, against the Lions.

This is the most inaccurate statement I have heard on this website since joining -- without question. The ignorance in the post makes me dizzy.

I can't even think because this post is so inaccurate.

This has got to be a joke.

What are you going to say next, that Drew Brees is having a so-so season.....come on. This must be a joke. Are you serious crazyhorse?

markshark84 wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:how many tds has portis scored so far this season?

When defenses put 8 in the box on every play because JC can't stretch the field, even Jesus Christ himself couldn't get into the endzone or rush for 100 yards.

They put eight in the box because they know Zorn. Campbell has already proved he can stretch the field, many times. That's why his qb rating is so high. JC has been the whole offense this year. He completed passes to about ten receivers, from every distance, against the Lions.

Are you crazy? Seriously, are you crazy? This is the most inaccurate statement I have heard on this website since joining -- without question. The ignorance in the post makes me dizzy. I feel a bit dumber for reading that post. My IQ just dropped 3 points.

I can't even think because this is so inaccurate.

This has got to be a joke. If it isn't, then crazyhorse, you are the only person on the face of the earth that believes this.

What are you going to say next, that Drew Brees is having a so-so season.....come on. This must be a joke. Are you serious crazyhorse?

No really.....Campbell hit 10 recievers in the lions game at nearly every distance.....our best offensive player so far this year.........

Washington Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FumL
S. Moss 10 178 17.8 57 1 0
L. Betts 4 43 10.8 11 0 0
C. ey 3 38 12.7 15 0 0
A. Randle El 2 21 10.5 15 0 0
M. Kelly 1 18 18.0 18 0 0
F. Davis 1 13 13.0 13 0 0
R. Cartwright 3 12 4.0 8 1 0
D. Thomas 1 7 7.0 7 0 0
C. Portis 1 6 6.0 6 0 0
M. Sellers 1 4 4.0 4 0 0

Mark - I know you don't like stat's but he actually did hit 10 receivers all over the field. Just an expample - Moss for 57, Betts for 11, Seller's for 4. Not too bad. But it may have been against A PREVENT DEFENSE SO IT CAN'T COUNT!!!!

Yes, JC is the Redskins' best offensive player this season.

But isn't that like being the best hitter on the Bad News Bears?

kinda

frankcal20 wrote:

Washington Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FumL
S. Moss 10 178 17.8 57 1 0
L. Betts 4 43 10.8 11 0 0
C. ey 3 38 12.7 15 0 0
A. Randle El 2 21 10.5 15 0 0
M. Kelly 1 18 18.0 18 0 0
F. Davis 1 13 13.0 13 0 0
R. Cartwright 3 12 4.0 8 1 0
D. Thomas 1 7 7.0 7 0 0
C. Portis 1 6 6.0 6 0 0
M. Sellers 1 4 4.0 4 0 0

Mark - I know you don't like stat's but he actually did hit 10 receivers all over the field. Just an expample - Moss for 57, Betts for 11, Seller's for 4. Not too bad. But it may have been against A PREVENT DEFENSE SO IT CAN'T COUNT!!!!

Here's the receiving stats in the two vs-prevent possessions against the Lions:

Washington Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FumL
S. Moss 3 43 14.3 21 0 0
L. Betts 3 27 9.0 11 0 0
C. ey 1 15 15.0 15 0 0
A. Randle El 2 21 10.5 15 0 0
R. Cartwright 3 12 4.0 8 1 0

Note that all ARE's and Rock's receptions came in prevent time.

It can count, but it's not the same.

So he went to 8 different receivers in Non-prevent time. Can't say that's so bad.

crazyhorse1 wrote: JC has been the whole offense this year.

You are correct in this. That is why the offense is 29th in the league in scoring.

frankcal20 wrote:So he went to 8 different receivers in Non-prevent time. Can't say that's so bad.

Of course that is not bad, but in no way shape or form does that equate to "spreading the field" -- which is completely obvious based on the running attack. Besides, I don't care if he only hits 1 receiver if we could score more than 20 points in a game this season.

Regardless, JC always seems to perform well against horrendous defenses. So you think that because he hit 10 guys in one game this season against one of the worst 5 defenses in the league, he's ready to be an all pro. Yeah, sweet. When he does it against Baltimore or Pitt, then we can talk.

He has not done anything well consistently in his career. Other than no tossing INTs, which, argueably could be a by-product of the fact that he won't throw a pass over 20 yards unless there isn't a defender within 30 yards, what has he done well consistently?

I love the word CONSISTENCY because that is something that is 100% correct. He has not done anything consistent b/c the type of offense he runs is ever changing. So not only does JC not know what's going on in years past, neither did anyone else.

So that I understand your post, you said you could care less if he hits only 1 receiver if we could score more than 20 pts in a game. So now it's up to JC to get the ball to the receiver and then get him in the end zone.

You also mentioned that he won't throw a pass over 20 yards unless there isn't a defender within 30 yds. That also is incorrect. See the first play of both the first two games. Wasn't Kelly covered? Also, didn't he throw into triple coverage last week? So, those are plays I don't like - but I guess you do since you would prefer him to throw into double coverage or triple coverage more than 20 yds downfield.

Just sayin - that's not good football.

Yeah, I agree with you frankcal, He has had no consistency around him since he entered the NFL. If there is no consistency in the front office, then there wont be any with the players either.

I say we get in the hurry up offense in shotgun. Seems to be Campbell's best style.

Works for Peyton, why can't it work for us. So what if it takes away the play action.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Wish that Colt wasn't injured anymore so we could see what a young guy could do.

You have all that measured, rational analysis and end with this? Colt was never more then a message board fantasy and the team putting him on IR was because there was no reality. If there were any possible way they'd consider playing him now if he were healthy he'd be on the roster, his season wouldn't have been over before game 1.

No, I understand that Colt is more fantasy than reality. But I'm also not keen on hitching our wagon to TC, because there's no room for growth with him. If TC does poorly for us, we're looking for a new QB next year. If TC does well for us, we're looking for a QB next year anyways.

If we had a young guy who could step in, and played well, we maybe have a QB we can use for awhile. Colt is the only guy who works...somewhat.

Talking about JC's statistics while leaving out points is like a bartender making cocktails and leaving out the booze.

Maybe we should coin a new nickname for JC ... Shirley Temple.

PulpExposure wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Wish that Colt wasn't injured anymore so we could see what a young guy could do.

You have all that measured, rational analysis and end with this? Colt was never more then a message board fantasy and the team putting him on IR was because there was no reality. If there were any possible way they'd consider playing him now if he were healthy he'd be on the roster, his season wouldn't have been over before game 1.

No, I understand that Colt is more fantasy than reality. But I'm also not keen on hitching our wagon to TC, because there's no room for growth with him. If TC does poorly for us, we're looking for a new QB next year. If TC does well for us, we're looking for a QB next year anyways.

If we had a young guy who could step in, and played well, we maybe have a QB we can use for awhile. Colt is the only guy who works...somewhat.

What about Woodson? He hasn't looked too bad when I saw him.

if anyone wants to back me i think id be able to do better than JC. i can throw a ball about 50 feet, i can run just as far before a ciagette break, and i can check down (well, ive never done it but i bet i can)

everyone jump on the band wagon, tincoskin for qb (though id take the GM job if danny thinks its more me)

This thread keeps getting funnier and funnier. Not a single Campbell apologist has even attempted to refute legitimate concerns about his shortcomings as a QB. It always goes back to: top 10 stats in blah blah blah. I and a few others have wasted too much time trying to explain it. The apologists either refuse to see it, don't have an answer for it, or wish we could rename the team to the Washington Jason Campbell's.

If it works for one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game, lets see if our quarterback can do it too. It has come to insinuations that Jason can be just like Peyton if given the opportunity. Wow.

Pulp, I'm fairly certain we're going to be looking for a new quarterback next year regardless. TC isn't the long term answer, but JC isn't either. I was never convinced Brennan's skills would translate to the NFL. I bet he doesn't even make the team next year. He looks like he's throwing a shotput back there. We're probably looking at 3 different QB's on the roster next year.

TincoSkin wrote:if anyone wants to back me i think id be able to do better than JC. i can throw a ball about 50 feet, i can run just as far before a ciagette break, and i can check down (well, ive never done it but i bet i can)

everyone jump on the band wagon, tincoskin for qb (though id take the GM job if danny thinks its more me)

If you were that good, we'd would have seen you on the field, but you're not.

EasyMoney wrote:Pulp, I'm fairly certain we're going to be looking for a new quarterback next year regardless. TC isn't the long term answer, but JC isn't either. I was never convinced Brennan's skills would translate to the NFL. I bet he doesn't even make the team next year. He looks like he's throwing a shotput back there. We're probably looking at 3 different QB's on the roster next year.

Oh I agree. But if we had a young guy who looked great (wishful thinking, I know) than maybe that alleviates the issue somewhat.

I just see that bringing in a new young QB, when we have such a dreadful need on the o-line, may mean this team is in for a seriously rough rebuilding process. It may take long enough to establish a decent QB and o-line so that we'll also need new front-line WRs (Moss and ARE) and RB (Portis).

As for Woodson, dude's only been here what, 5 days? Bit early for him...at least Colt had a year to learn the system.

PulpExposure wrote:

EasyMoney wrote:Pulp, I'm fairly certain we're going to be looking for a new quarterback next year regardless. TC isn't the long term answer, but JC isn't either. I was never convinced Brennan's skills would translate to the NFL. I bet he doesn't even make the team next year. He looks like he's throwing a shotput back there. We're probably looking at 3 different QB's on the roster next year.

Oh I agree. But if we had a young guy who looked great (wishful thinking, I know) than maybe that alleviates the issue somewhat.

I just see that bringing in a new young QB, when we have such a dreadful need on the o-line, may mean this team is in for a seriously rough rebuilding process. It may take long enough to establish a decent QB and o-line so that we'll also need new front-line WRs (Moss and ARE) and RB (Portis).

As for Woodson, dude's only been here what, 5 days? Bit early for him...at least Colt had a year to learn the system.

Pulp,
You know at this point (next off season) we really do need to bring in the wrecking ball and totally dismantle this team. I bet you can't run out of fingers before you name players that we can't do with out or are worth building around.

Only problem with that is we need to prepare our selves for several really bad years and this fan base wouldn't stand for it! It really does need to be done!