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Why are we all still bickering? Let's just get Zorny together! Where is Fios when you need him?
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old-timer wrote:... A smart owner would have known that. Could Snyder realize his dream of building a Super Bowl team through his own incredible hidden talent for picking and managing NFL personnel, a profession for which he has, let me see, ZERO qualifications? Sure. About the same as a monkey picking the next Google. But I wouldn't bet the house on it.
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Snyder's ineptness rears its ugly head again w/coaching hire

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Snyder's ineptness rears its ugly head again with coaching hire.

Feb. 9, 2008
By Pete Prisco
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

http://www.sportsline.com/print/nfl/story/10631354/2

You can have money. You can have power. And you can also insist on all your underlings calling you "Mister."

But none of that can bring you football sense.

Snyder's search for a head coach for his Washington Redskins ended Saturday night with the hiring of Jim Zorn, the former NFL quarterback he brought to Washington two weeks ago to be his offensive coordinator -- not his head coach.

The following rip job on that move isn't meant to indict Zorn, who is regarded highly as an offensive coach. But, come on, what the heck is Snyder doing?

Did he really need a month to decide on Zorn? Or is this simply a panic move or more like one of Snyder's trademark I'll-do-what-I-damn-well-please moves?

Snyder makes as much money as any owner in the league. He's a master at it, in fact. For that, he should be lauded.

But football-wise, he should be shredded.

He is the knee-jerk, react owner who spends lavishly and most of the time it's foolishly. Look at his track record. Take a look at his coaches. How'd that Steve Spurrier work out? How about bringing back Joe Gibbs? Wasn't exactly worth it, was it? Snyder's free agency and trade scoreboard is littered with failure.

Paging Adam Archuleta. Paging Antwaan Randle El. Paging Brandon Lloyd.

The problem is Snyder thinks he knows football just because he collected football cards years ago and wore Redskins colors to school. But he doesn't. Instead of hiring quality football people and letting them do their jobs, he's way too involved.

This is an owner who actually has sought out advice on free agents from league writers. I've heard it with my own ears, not that he ever asked me. Of course, I would have been a no-go on Archuleta and Randle El and Lloyd from the start. You can look that up.

Is he really the man who the Redskins faithful want having input into football decisions? Snyder is a brilliant businessman. As a football man, he's messier than Amy Winehouse's life.

Is Zorn really a better choice than Gregg Williams, the in-house candidate who was the odds-on favorite to get the job, only to be rebuffed when he didn't play kissy-face with the owner? No, but Zorn is probably a better yes-man.

It appeared the job was Williams' to lose when Gibbs retired, but Williams never seemed to win over the owner. The theory around the league is that it's because he wasn't open to those moments when Snyder wanted to play coach.

Snyder cast him aside, even though players and others thought him to be the right guy for the job.

Williams didn't bow down, which is a mistake when you work for Snyder. Many league insiders refer to Vinny Cerrato, the executive vice president of football operations, as "Snyder's boy." At times in his stint with the Redskins, Cerrato wondered if he would even have a job, but always was wise to stay close to the owner. Now he's the football decision-maker. He's a yes-man. Maybe his name should be Vinny "Cerrat-never-say-no."

Cerrato is actually now second in command in making football decisions to the ultimate decision-maker, Snyder. I mean Mr. Snyder. Oops.

It's clear that Snyder went for a coach who would listen to him. He picked Zorn. That's after several others backed away, including New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who was told by confidants around the league to pass. Why did Spags and others pass? They didn't want to inherit two coordinators, Zorn on offense and Greg Blache on defense, already hired by Snyder.

Talk about troubles. How can you expect a new head coach to take two guys the owner hired onto his staff as his closest confidants? Doesn't Snyder watch mob shows? Even if they weren't rats, they'd both be perceived as such.

Zorn has never been a head coach. Heck, he's never been a coordinator. But he's probably open to Snyder's meddling. It is one of 32 jobs of its kind, which does mean something, even when the owner is calling you to the office two and three times a day.

When Gibbs was around, Snyder idolized him. He was a fan. He wasn't going to interfere with the legend. But with Gibbs gone, Snyder is back to his old ways, ways that his previous coaches hated.

Zorn might turn out to be a heck of a coach. I loved the way he played the game. He was daring and he might be that way as a coach. That's always a good thing.

But the perception with his players will be that he is Danny's Boy. That's never a good thing. It could make for some real problems.

Snyder is smarter than all this. I always look at the Redskins' business side to see just how smart he truly is in that area. It's a cash machine. He should tend to that and hire some smart football people, not men who have "Yes, Mr. Snyder" in their automatic reply settings because it's used so much.

Money and power mean a lot, Mr. Snyder. But they will never buy somebody football sense. We've been reminded of that once again by Snyder's actions of the past month.

Oh, Danny Boy. Not again.
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Prisco is an idiot, nobody on earth is worse at making power rankings. That said, it is pretty easy for any journalist to make a stab at snyder at this point, and it would be foolish to expect them not to.
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This article sickens me with its malicious content...THIS GUYS KNOWS EVERYTHING
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawakami ... -all-time/
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Post by cleg »

What exactly does the author say that is not true? He discounts the good Gibbs did and I would not call ARE a bust but the rest of the stuff is spot on. This is what we can expect as Skins fans with The Danny as owner.
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OK guys, time to say something about my real identity at last.
:lol: No, I am not this guy but I could have written this piece.
Yes, my views are truly reflected in this article posted by wormer. :wink:
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cleg wrote:What exactly does the author say that is not true? He discounts the good Gibbs did and I would not call ARE a bust but the rest of the stuff is spot on. This is what we can expect as Skins fans with The Danny as owner.


Nothing really, I just hate Prisco. I feel that journalists are making a lot of assumptions, like Snyder only hired Zorn because he can control him, and they don't preface it as opinion they just state it as fact. He doesn't even take into account that everyone in the league is enamored with Zorn. If they want to say its a questionable hire because he has no experience, that is certainly true. As far as the ARE and lloyd fiasco goes, that was absolutely horrible, and someone could write a whole book on that and i would have no issue.
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Unfair and uninformed article posted by MEZZSKIN. But we are going to have the media after us -until- we start to win consistently. Get used to it people.
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thats fine...but he knocks his NFL PLAYING DAYS and he writes that after one conversation with Zorn "he knew" he shouldn't be anywhere an NFL SIDELINE.........



THATS OUTRAGEOUS.!!!....WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAWAIIAN KNOW ABOUT !
I mean he writes for the SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS.
This article reeks!!!

The Sharks are there only pro team plus how much football do you think this KAWA-MORON ever played in his life????

ZERO!!!!

Zorn has more class under his pinky nail than this hack...thats for damn sure!
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Talk about beat a dead horse - the good news is we have a team that with some tweaking can be successful this season - we still have Gibbs in the background lending support despite what was rumored recently - the D is in my estimation going to be really well prepared by Blache as I think he sees a possible HC job coming his way soon and we will have an offense that I think will be quite an improvement over last season although that is not much of a stretch given that we will have a bunch of our line healthy this year and we now have some very experienced back-ups.

We also will continue to have a bunch of fans who are determined that even though the team may do well none of it will have anything to do with Snyder - but what else is new around here.



Snyder will most likely always be an idiot but that will not mean that the team cannot be successful :lol:
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Zorn's first coaching job...revealed

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Hey guys...here's a link to an interview done today with ex-Boise State coach Skip Hall. The guy that gave Zorn his first coaching job back in 1989. Reflections about the man...including some retro photos of Coach Zorn. Enjoy!

Here's the link:

http://www.ktvb.com/video/index.html?nvid=216908
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He discounts the good Gibbs did and I would not call ARE a bust but the rest of the stuff is spot on.


At this point I would call ARE a bust. He hasn't lived up to his contract, either as a receiver or a returner. Statistically, he has been one of the worst punt returners in the NFL over the last two seasons and as a receiver he has been average at best. He should lose the punt returner job and be used as nothing more than a slot receiver.
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I'm going to say it again..... It's nothing personal against Jim Zorn. I don't have anything negative to say about the man.....

This franchise will not return to glory as long as it does not invest the time and money in putting together a professional football front office. Folks on here can call all of those writers idiots, buttholes or whatever but the facts are the facts.

Look around the league and other pro leagues. Look at those teams that are successful and have won championships. The one common thread that they all share is a professional front office. Want me to run them down again.....Okay......

New England Patriots - Scott Pioli (three rings in 00's and barely lost a fourth a week ago)

Boston Red Sox - Theo Epstein (two rings in the last 4 years)

Chicago Bulls - Jerry Krause (six rings in the 90's until he got stupid)

Los Angles Lakers (Jerry West; three until Shaq and Kobe couldn't play in the sandbox anymore)

San Antonio Spurs - RC Buford (three titles in the past seven years)

Buffalo Bills/Indy Colts - Bill Polian: Four straight SB appearances with the Bills; one SB title with the Colts; architect behind building two high level franchises through the draft mostly and free-agency

Hendrick Motorsports - Rick Hendrick: right now Hendrick is the big dog on the block with Johnson (two-time defending Winston Cup Champ), Gordon (outside Dale Sr., Petty and the likes, one of the best ever in NASCAR), and Dale Jr. plus Mears at #4.

Until Daniel Snyder understands that making the right football decisions isn't all about money or how smart you are making it, this franchise will remain in mediocrity. And that's unfortunate for us fans......
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SkinsJock wrote:Talk about beat a dead horse -...

We also will continue to have a bunch of fans who are determined that even though the team may do well none of it will have anything to do with Snyder - but what else is new around here.

Snyder will most likely always be an idiot but that will not mean that the team cannot be successful :lol:
THOSE grumpy fans are terrible. They will never be happy.

SkinsJock wrote: The only problem I really am concerned about is, long term I am convinced we do not stand a better chance of success with weasel Cerrato and his group finding the correct talent. :(
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MEZZSKIN wrote:This article sickens me with its malicious content...THIS GUYS KNOWS EVERYTHING
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawakami ... -all-time/
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For those who don't want to bother reading this, I'll summarize:

It's a plume of verbal diarrhea that splatters on for for too long and manages to make exactly zero good points.
Apparently, Mr. Kawakami (who I've never heard of) is basing his abysmal opinion of Zorn on an interview for an offseason Seahawks puff piece that was conducted approximately SEVEN YEARS ago, when Zorn first rejoined the 'Hawks as QB coach....that alone should tell you all you need to know about this "article".

Tell you what, Mr. Kawakami: the next time I need help with the standings in the Sumo League or in finding the best place to buy DVDs of underage Asian actresses in schoolgirl outfits, I'll give you a call. Until then, keep your baseless, garbage opinions to yourself.
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roybus14 wrote:I'm going to say it again..... It's nothing personal against Jim Zorn. I don't have anything negative to say about the man.....

This franchise will not return to glory as long as it does not invest the time and money in putting together a professional football front office. Folks on here can call all of those writers idiots, buttholes or whatever but the facts are the facts.

Look around the league and other pro leagues. Look at those teams that are successful and have won championships. The one common thread that they all share is a professional front office. Want me to run them down again.....Okay......

New England Patriots - Scott Pioli (three rings in 00's and barely lost a fourth a week ago)

Boston Red Sox - Theo Epstein (two rings in the last 4 years)

Chicago Bulls - Jerry Krause (six rings in the 90's until he got stupid)

Los Angles Lakers (Jerry West; three until Shaq and Kobe couldn't play in the sandbox anymore)

San Antonio Spurs - RC Buford (three titles in the past seven years)

Buffalo Bills/Indy Colts - Bill Polian: Four straight SB appearances with the Bills; one SB title with the Colts; architect behind building two high level franchises through the draft mostly and free-agency

Hendrick Motorsports - Rick Hendrick: right now Hendrick is the big dog on the block with Johnson (two-time defending Winston Cup Champ), Gordon (outside Dale Sr., Petty and the likes, one of the best ever in NASCAR), and Dale Jr. plus Mears at #4.

Until Daniel Snyder understands that making the right football decisions isn't all about money or how smart you are making it, this franchise will remain in mediocrity. And that's unfortunate for us fans......


For all those gm's and what not that you mentioned, they had to get rings before they became part of what you would consider "a professional front office". I mean, all Jerry Krause had to do was ride Michael Jordan's coattails and he was the smartest man in basketball. Granted, the FO has been pretty bad in the past, but they did well last year, and I'm not going to say they have regressed until Zorn actually does stink as a coach or they actually do make another ridiculous FA signing.
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For all those gm's and what not that you mentioned, they had to get rings before they became part of what you would consider "a professional front office". I mean, all Jerry Krause had to do was ride Michael Jordan's coattails and he was the smartest man in basketball. Granted, the FO has been pretty bad in the past, but they did well last year, and I'm not going to say they have regressed until Zorn actually does stink as a coach or they actually do make another ridiculous FA signing.


How many ring did Mike win prior to Scottie, Horance and Dennis showing up???

Back on topic...the FO is broken and does need fixing. Nothing speaks more to that then the what just happened to Snyder during the process of looking for a new coach. This is what he does...sales and marketing..is should speaks volumes to him that he couldn't land a coach he actually wanted...maybe some good will come out of it???
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roybus14 wrote:I'm going to say it again..... It's nothing personal against Jim Zorn. I don't have anything negative to say about the man.....

This franchise will not return to glory as long as it does not invest the time and money in putting together a professional football front office. Folks on here can call all of those writers idiots, buttholes or whatever but the facts are the facts.

Look around the league and other pro leagues. Look at those teams that are successful and have won championships. The one common thread that they all share is a professional front office. Want me to run them down again.....Okay......

New England Patriots - Scott Pioli (three rings in 00's and barely lost a fourth a week ago)

Boston Red Sox - Theo Epstein (two rings in the last 4 years)

Chicago Bulls - Jerry Krause (six rings in the 90's until he got stupid)

Los Angles Lakers (Jerry West; three until Shaq and Kobe couldn't play in the sandbox anymore)

San Antonio Spurs - RC Buford (three titles in the past seven years)

Buffalo Bills/Indy Colts - Bill Polian: Four straight SB appearances with the Bills; one SB title with the Colts; architect behind building two high level franchises through the draft mostly and free-agency

Hendrick Motorsports - Rick Hendrick: right now Hendrick is the big dog on the block with Johnson (two-time defending Winston Cup Champ), Gordon (outside Dale Sr., Petty and the likes, one of the best ever in NASCAR), and Dale Jr. plus Mears at #4.

Until Daniel Snyder understands that making the right football decisions isn't all about money or how smart you are making it, this franchise will remain in mediocrity. And that's unfortunate for us fans......



Okay, now tell us how exactly an owner goes about investing "the time and money in putting together a professional football front office." How do you do it? Who do you hire? Who do you ask for advice? You mention the Patriots as a model, but that is not very helpful. 31 teams would like to copy the Patriots model. So far all 31 have failed -- not just the Redskins. Instead of comparing the Redskins to the team that everyone else is chasing (because apparently it is harder to figure out the formula than your message implies), how about comparing the Redskins to the rest of the NFL? How are we doing compared to the Rams, the 49ers, the Dolphins, the Jets, the Bills, the Eagles, the Cardinals, the Texans, the Ravens and the Falcons? Obviously success has eluded those teams too. Maybe what you suggest is harder than you think, harder than firing Vinny Cerrato? Who should Snyder hire instead, and what makes you think that person would accept the job?
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Personally, I'm thinking that we are now all Zornicators.
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BossHog wrote:Personally, I'm thinking that we are now all Zornicators.


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Our headcoach's name sounds like the spaceleader of scientology..... He's going to bring his spaceship and bring us to thge superbowl.
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SKINFAN wrote:Our headcoach's name sounds like the spaceleader of scientology..... He's going to bring his spaceship and bring us to thge superbowl.


Snyder has a very direct tie to Scientology
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Fios wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:Our headcoach's name sounds like the spaceleader of scientology..... He's going to bring his spaceship and bring us to thge superbowl.


Snyder has a very direct tie to Scientology


And with the hirings of Gibbs and Zorn gave Snyder ties to Christian fundamentalism. Just saying...
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DEHog wrote:
For all those gm's and what not that you mentioned, they had to get rings before they became part of what you would consider "a professional front office". I mean, all Jerry Krause had to do was ride Michael Jordan's coattails and he was the smartest man in basketball. Granted, the FO has been pretty bad in the past, but they did well last year, and I'm not going to say they have regressed until Zorn actually does stink as a coach or they actually do make another ridiculous FA signing.


How many ring did Mike win prior to Scottie, Horance and Dennis showing up???



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