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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:16 pm
by jeremyroyce
Chris Luva Luva wrote:LOSTHOG wrote:jeremyroyce wrote:Cappster wrote:jeremyroyce wrote:Well, I really thing that Joe Gibbs left because it was in the best interest for him and his family. I wish you well Mr. Joe Gibbs and Thank you for all your hard work. As far as a coach I just say please don't have GW or Al Saunders as head coach.
If Gibbs has a say in who gets to become head coach, you can bet he will pick either Saunders or Williams to be the coach. Gibbs is loyal to his people and knowing the fact that Danny is influenced heavily by Gibbs, GW or Al will be our next coach. Why would Gibbs spend all this time righting the team just to have it disassembled and done all over again?
Who is to say that if the Redskins did hire someone outside of the Redskins organization that the Redskins would be disassembled?
coaches all have their own philosophies and ideas of what works. they will bring in guys they trust to be coordinators. If their philosophy doesn't match our roster players get moved. Don't look at what is going on in Dallas. Phillips is just a puppet like Switzer. He has no say in anything. He is just the ultimate yes man to Jerry Jones
Kinda like Gruden in Tampa, he just road the wave of Tony Dungy... He's still making decent teams but nothing close to that team he INHERITED.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:17 pm
by SkinsFreak
UK Skins Fan wrote:All I want to say right now is how grateful I am to have been a fan of the Washington Redskins during the Joe Gibbs era. An exceptional coach, and an exceptional man.
Thanks Joe. Thanks for so many great memories, and bless you.
Hey, what's up, UK? Well said, and I have to agree. I will admit that watching that news conference did bring a tear to my eye. Only a man like Gibbs could do that. The memories will live forever.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:17 pm
by SkinsJock
Hopefully Williams is the coach but as with a lot of things around Snyder, he can surprise you and always seems to
Saunders has a pretty good deal going here so I would imagine he wants to stay but we do not know how well he will be received by whoever is the next coach and then you get into a lot of other concerns if both these guys go ....
It does seem that we will not be getting a GM - "if it aint broke don't fix it"
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:22 pm
by RedskinsFreak
SkinsJock wrote:It does seem that we will not be getting a GM - "if it aint broke don't fix it"
The big picture is:
Three playoff appearances and two playoff wins under his ownership. And 1999 wasn't even his doing, because of the timing of the sale.
So, that's really two and one in seven seasons.
In Redskinsville, that qualifies as 'broke."
But when you consider that both of those payoff appearances have been in the past three seasons, you have cause to consider that it might be in the process of getting fixed.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:24 pm
by SkinsFreak
SkinsJock wrote:It does seem that we will not be getting a GM - "if it aint broke don't fix it"
Yeah, I heard that too. But Dan's reply suggested that he and Gibbs, together, would be filling that roll. I personally don't have a problem with that.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:25 pm
by CanesSkins26
I want no part of GW as head coach. His absolute failure as a HC in Buffalo (I cant think of a coach who was that bad in his first tenure as a head coach that was successful in his second go around) and the way he handled the Lavar and Archuletta situations makes me seriously doubt his ability to be a successful NFL head coach. I'd like to see one of the following get the job: Grimm, Jim Caldwell, or Cowher.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:27 pm
by SkinsJock
As far as the GM "role" is concerned - I'm not sure about Gibbs and Snyder - they may be okay but I am a little concerned that they still have Cerrato and I do not have a lot of confidence in his role.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:27 pm
by LOSTHOG
jeremyroyce wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:LOSTHOG wrote:jeremyroyce wrote:Cappster wrote:jeremyroyce wrote:Well, I really thing that Joe Gibbs left because it was in the best interest for him and his family. I wish you well Mr. Joe Gibbs and Thank you for all your hard work. As far as a coach I just say please don't have GW or Al Saunders as head coach.
If Gibbs has a say in who gets to become head coach, you can bet he will pick either Saunders or Williams to be the coach. Gibbs is loyal to his people and knowing the fact that Danny is influenced heavily by Gibbs, GW or Al will be our next coach. Why would Gibbs spend all this time righting the team just to have it disassembled and done all over again?
Who is to say that if the Redskins did hire someone outside of the Redskins organization that the Redskins would be disassembled?
coaches all have their own philosophies and ideas of what works. they will bring in guys they trust to be coordinators. If their philosophy doesn't match our roster players get moved. Don't look at what is going on in Dallas. Phillips is just a puppet like Switzer. He has no say in anything. He is just the ultimate yes man to Jerry Jones
Kinda like Gruden in Tampa, he just road the wave of Tony Dungy... He's still making decent teams but nothing close to that team he INHERITED.
Gruden is one hell of a coach and he did what Tony Dungy couldn't do and that was win the superbowl with that team that Dungy put together. Look at what Gruden did with the Raiders, and now look at the Raiders. So, just because the Redskins go outside to hire a coach does not spell disaster. What has GW done has a head coach? He has done nothing and he hasn't proved squat. Why should he be hired, what has he done? Cower has atleast proved that he can coach and players play for him. And not only that he has won a superbowl. Look at the team he built, they were in the playoffs AGAIN. I would love to have a coach on our team that is with us for 15 years, and goes to the playoffs 10 years out of those 15 years, and only 3 losing seasons and also a superbowl win. I have said along to many people that I felt like that this was Gibbs last year and its finally happened, I also have said that I felt like Cower was going to end up with the Redskins, Stay tuned.
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:33 pm
by LOSTHOG
jeremyroyce wrote: Look at the team he built, they were in the playoffs AGAIN. I would love to have a coach on our team that is with us for 15 years, and goes to the playoffs 10 years out of those 15 years, and only 3 losing seasons and also a superbowl win.
I went over this 5 pages ago, but look at the division that they played in for many years. The old Browns sucked, the Bengals sucked, the Oilers/Titans stunk, the new Browns stunk, the ravens suck more often than not. Half of those seasons they went to the playoffs were by default. Cowher is a great motivator and if we were a total mess I would say blow it up and start over with him. We are not in bad shape with this team. To totally tear it up and start over would be another 4 to 5 year job.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:35 pm
by CanesSkins26
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
That's true about Cowher. But go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:36 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
IF Danny even thinks about brining in a coach, it should ONLY be Marty. That is the only coach that I wont go completely ape *you know what* if he gets hired.
Cowher will be a mistake.
It's either Williams or Marty for me. But I do want WIlliams cus of continuity.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:38 pm
by LOSTHOG
CanesSkins26 wrote:
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
That's true about Cowher. But go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.
True enough, but I don't think GW has the pull to fire the staff we have now and tell Danny he wants wholesale changes. I'm sure Cowher will want total control.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:40 pm
by Gibbs4Life
When Snyder says "we're gonna start the process"
That means we have to interview 5 or 6 african american candidates, then we'll hire Gregg Williams.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:40 pm
by LOSTHOG
Chris Luva Luva wrote:IF Danny even thinks about brining in a coach, it should ONLY be Marty. That is the only coach that I wont go completely ape *you know what* if he gets hired.
Cowher will be a mistake.
It's either Williams or Marty for me. But I do want WIlliams cus of continuity.
If Marty comes back I would be surprised, but it would be funny to watch him fire Vinny on day one again.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:46 pm
by CanesSkins26
LOSTHOG wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
That's true about Cowher. But go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.
True enough, but I don't think GW has the pull to fire the staff we have now and tell Danny he wants wholesale changes. I'm sure Cowher will want total control.
True. But does Saunders stay on if he gets passed over for the HC job?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:49 pm
by Wysocki
skinsfan#33 wrote:Wysocki wrote:This is the 2nd time I've gone through this - Joe resigning as coach. Both times I've been shocked and saddened, but never bitter towards Joe. He's got bigger and better things to accomplish, and he leaves again with the team in better shape than when he returned. I look forward to his press conference. (And I hope GW is named HC - unlike Pettibon, GW wants to be head coach)...
Pettibone wanted to be a head coach! What ever gave you that idea?
He almost got the job as the Bears' HC in 1992 and said he would have jumped off a bridge if he had been given the Bears' job then Gibbs retired the next year and he would have missed out on being the Skins HC.
He was truely devistated when JKC fired him!
SF#33 - I've lived in the D.C. area and been a Redskin fan most of my life and my opinion is based on what I read and see via the local media and from personal observation at training camps etc. - I don't claim to know Pettibon personally but maybe you do. What I surmised: Pettibon never lobbied to be a HC anywhere before being named the Redskin HC, and he never went after another HC job after being fired. He couldn't put 2 words together when talking to the media, had no rapport with the offensive players, and was totally uncomfortable in the glare of the spotlight - something required of a HC. I believe JKC bullied him into being HC, and Pettibon reluctantly agreed. It didn't work and JKC quickly realized that. Go Greg Williams!
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:49 pm
by Deadskins
CanesSkins26 wrote:
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
That's true about Cowher. But go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.
No, because you get Al Saunders' offense with GW as HC.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:50 pm
by SkinsFreak
CanesSkins26 wrote:
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
That's true about Cowher. But go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.
Dude, with Saunders here, that will never happen. Second, GW wants no part of the offense and never has. Third, constantly referring to his tenure in Buffalo as a precursor of absolute fact that he'll fail in the future is old, tiresome and outright ignorant. Different teams, different coaches, different players, different times... etc. Tony Dungy couldn't win a Super Bowl in Tampa so they fired him. He then went to Indy and won. Why? Better organization, better players and better coaches. The current Skins have much better players and coaches than GW had in Buffalo.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:57 pm
by jeremyroyce
LOSTHOG wrote:jeremyroyce wrote: Look at the team he built, they were in the playoffs AGAIN. I would love to have a coach on our team that is with us for 15 years, and goes to the playoffs 10 years out of those 15 years, and only 3 losing seasons and also a superbowl win.
I went over this 5 pages ago, but look at the division that they played in for many years. The old Browns sucked, the Bengals sucked, the Oilers/Titans stunk, the new Browns stunk, the ravens suck more often than not. Half of those seasons they went to the playoffs were by default. Cowher is a great motivator and if we were a total mess I would say blow it up and start over with him. We are not in bad shape with this team. To totally tear it up and start over would be another 4 to 5 year job.
Say what you want but Cower has had success. And he did make the playoffs 10 years out of the 15 years he coached and also won a superbowl. I want to see us in the playoffs and compete and if GW is the coach then that WILL spell DISASTER
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:58 pm
by CanesSkins26
SkinsFreak wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
That's true about Cowher. But go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.
Dude, with Saunders here, that will never happen. Second, GW wants no part of the offense and never has. Third, constantly referring to his tenure in Buffalo as a precursor of absolute fact that he'll fail in the future is old, tiresome and outright ignorant. Different teams, different coaches, different players, different times... etc. Tony Dungy couldn't win a Super Bowl in Tampa so they fired him. He then went to Indy and won. Why? Better organization, better players and better coaches. The current Skins have much better players and coaches than GW had in Buffalo.
Yea but Tony Dungy was successful in Tampa Bay. He consistently made the playoffs and took Tampa Bay to the NFC Championship game. It's also rather ignorant to say that Indy was a better organization when Dungy took the job there considering that Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl in Gruden's fist year. As for GW, he was 17-31 with Buffalo. Can you think of any other head coach that was that terrible in his first job and then was successful in his second tenure?? People like to throw out Belichick's name, but he actually had some success while in Cleveland, going 11-5 in 1994 and winning a playoff game. His winning percentage in Cleveland was also considerably higher that GW's in Buffalo.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:00 pm
by CanesSkins26
JSPB22 wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
That's true about Cowher. But go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.
No, because you get Al Saunders' offense with GW as HC.
Says who? There is no guarantee that Saunders stays here if GW gets the HC job. You have no idea what the relationship is between Saunders and GW. You also have no idea how Saunders will react to not getting the HC job.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:03 pm
by jeremyroyce
CanesSkins26 wrote:SkinsFreak wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
That's true about Cowher. But go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.
Dude, with Saunders here, that will never happen. Second, GW wants no part of the offense and never has. Third, constantly referring to his tenure in Buffalo as a precursor of absolute fact that he'll fail in the future is old, tiresome and outright ignorant. Different teams, different coaches, different players, different times... etc. Tony Dungy couldn't win a Super Bowl in Tampa so they fired him. He then went to Indy and won. Why? Better organization, better players and better coaches. The current Skins have much better players and coaches than GW had in Buffalo.
Yea but Tony Dungy was successful in Tampa Bay. He consistently made the playoffs and took Tampa Bay to the NFC Championship game. It's also rather ignorant to say that Indy was a better organization when Dungy took the job there considering that Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl in Gruden's fist year. As for GW, he was 17-31 with Buffalo. Can you think of any other head coach that was that terrible in his first job and then was successful in his second tenure?? People like to throw out Belichick's name, but he actually had some success while in Cleveland, going 11-5 in 1994 and winning a playoff game. His winning percentage in Cleveland was also considerably higher that GW's in Buffalo.
Belichick did nothing with the Browns. In the 5 years he coached the Browns they had 4 losing seasons. And then in his first year with the Patriots he had another losing season. Hmmm something doesn't smell right here with Belichick or shall I say Billicheat. As far as GW, the players quit on him in Buffalo and I don't want to see him as the head coach here with the Redskins. He is what he is and thats a defensive coordinator and he is defensive minded.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:03 pm
by Deadskins
CanesSkins26 wrote:JSPB22 wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
That's true about Cowher. But go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.
No, because you get Al Saunders' offense with GW as HC.
Says who? There is no guarantee that Saunders stays here if GW gets the HC job. You have no idea what the relationship is between Saunders and GW. You also have no idea how Saunders will react to not getting the HC job.
Sure I do! I think this was the arrangement from the start. I just think the process got sped up by one season. But I think Al knew coimng in, that this was GW's team when Joe left.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:07 pm
by jeremyroyce
JSPB22 wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:JSPB22 wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:
if Cowher comes our entire offense gets flipped. Cowher has said the one year he opened up the offense with Maddox was the most miserable year of his life. If all you ever want is run,run run, punt, then he is probably the guy for you. Why would coordinators stay even if Cowher wanted them to after being passed over for him. We will be back to square one....
That's true about Cowher. But go back and look at GW's days in Buffalo and the offense that he allowed his OC to run. It was extremely conservative. So with GW you might be getting run, run, run, punt as well.
No, because you get Al Saunders' offense with GW as HC.
Says who? There is no guarantee that Saunders stays here if GW gets the HC job. You have no idea what the relationship is between Saunders and GW. You also have no idea how Saunders will react to not getting the HC job.
Sure I do! I think this was the arrangement from the start. I just think the process got sped up by one season. But I think Al knew coimng in, that this was GW's team when Joe left.
I don't know about this idea about this being GW team, because if that was the case then the Redskins would get fined because they didn't go through the proper procedure and look at minorities.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:07 pm
by BnGhog
CanesSkins26 wrote:Says who? There is no guarantee that Saunders stays here if GW gets the HC job. You have no idea what the relationship is between Saunders and GW. You also have no idea how Saunders will react to not getting the HC job.
I think this is why Gibbs is sticking around, to kind of smooth things over. He is the voice of reason.