Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:06 pm
welch wrote:I don't have time to look up all the games NE P has mentioned, but here's the first:Mursilis wrote:
Find one game where Gibbs was still calling bombs down the field up by 30+. ONE GAME.
http://redskinsgames.com/blog2/?p=43
"Tandler", the blogger, claims that Gibbs had Rypien throwing deep to run up the score on the swaggering Jerry Glanville Falcons. I don't think Tandler remembers that game.
In fact:
- Falcons kept calling blitz all day, and the Redskins squashed every one
- Rypien took himself out of the game about seven to ten minutes into the third quarter because the game was finished. He was within about ten yards of Sammy Baugh's all-time single game yardage record, but decided to stay out because the record wasn't important
- Jeff Rutledge replaced Rypien and completed the several TD passes on medium-to-short routes after the Falcons had thrown everyone into the blitz.
- Jerry Glanville, the idiot, ran up the score on his own team.
On the other '91 games, Gibbs went to the run. The point, of course, is that the clock stops after an incomplete pass, but keeps going on a run. Gibbs ran down the clock, controlled possession, got the game finished, limited the chance for Redskin injuries (fewer plays), and avoided humilating the opponent.
The common understanding in the NFL is that you always play someone again, and they remember.
I can't remember specifics of the '83 game, but someone with access to the Washington Post archives could explain what happened in each.
Would Redskin fans be bothered if the team ran up the score? George Allen did it in 1972 against the Giants, calling time out with about 30 seconds left and a first down inside the Giants 5. He ordered a Larry Brown run. Anyone watching on TV could see Billy Kilmer, the QB, saying "what???" as he trotted over to the sidelines -- QB's wore only one bar on their face mask then. Kilmer shook his head all the way back to the huddle. No, fans were not pleased to win by an extra 7 points.
On Belicheck: people know him. He was Parcells defensive coordinator in the mid-80's, then with the Patriots and Jets in the '90s. He is not a surprise. Yes, the video thing was a surprise, but otherwise there is nothing for anyone to learn.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/w ... index.html
In 1991 I was covering Atlanta-Washington in the playoffs. I talked to the Falcons' defensive end, Tim Green, and he said, "Ask Glanville about Joe Gibbs throwing the out and up in the fourth quarter when they were ahead, 42-17. He's been using that as a motivational tool all week."
The Redskins' out and up went for 64 yards and a touchdown to Art Monk in that November meeting and moved the score to 49-17. It ended up 56-17. So when I talked to Falcons coach Jerry Glanville that evening in his hotel suite I asked him about it. His eyes narrowed.
In that case I suppose the karma that you all say is gonna get Belichick back (and probably will) is actually using Belichick to get Gibbs back for his own past sins. Ha ha.
It's funny that after the Dallas game no one here said anything about running up the score...all the talk was about how overrated the NE offense is and you guys talking smack at Cowboys fans saying the Pats won't score 48 on the Skins. Now after this game you all point back to that game as running up the score.
Are the losing teams in this situation allowed to still play hard and try to stage a comeback or they should give up, lay down and play dead? Should they too should just take knees and punt when the game is out of reach? On one hand players, coaches and teams come out publicly and claim they never quit; then on the other hand they are criticizing a team for doing just that.
