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Fios wrote:Really? I think the it-will take off arguments are much more persuasive than the it-won't version

I dunno, I still don't understand where the lift is being generated. When I'm running on a treadmill I don't feel a rush a wind in my face like I do when I'm on an actual track....

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Fios wrote:Really? I think the it-will take off arguments are much more persuasive than the it-won't version

I dunno, I still don't understand where the lift is being generated. When I'm running on a treadmill I don't feel a rush a wind in my face like I do when I'm on an actual track....

You don't have jet engines attached to you amigo

Fios wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Fios wrote:Really? I think the it-will take off arguments are much more persuasive than the it-won't version

I dunno, I still don't understand where the lift is being generated. When I'm running on a treadmill I don't feel a rush a wind in my face like I do when I'm on an actual track....

You don't have jet engines attached to you amigo

I know that the engines will suck some air across the wings but is it enough to generate lift?

I think it's a mix of the engines and the plans forward movement against air that together make it fly.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Fios wrote:Really? I think the it-will take off arguments are much more persuasive than the it-won't version

I dunno, I still don't understand where the lift is being generated. When I'm running on a treadmill I don't feel a rush a wind in my face like I do when I'm on an actual track....

No lift will be generated as long as the treadmill's speed offsets the thrust of the jet's engines. Theoretically, this treadmill can match the speed of the plane's speed even if its moving at the speed of light. No ground will be covered. The plane will stay in the same place, just as a bus driven by Ditka would stay in the same place unless our #6 is swapped for Gayle Sayer's shadow.

You guys! You're soooooooooo funny...

and, sad, all at the same time. Kind of like a really good chick flick. Ummm... not that I know what that is, or anything.

http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythb ... sters.html

Looks like we may finally get an answer...

JansenFan wrote:http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/mythbusters.html

Looks like we may finally get an answer...

WoW thought this thread was dead forever.

The answer is in this thread but no-one knows which one it is

It's alive....it's aliiiiiiiiiiiiive!!!

The plane can't take off, there is no lift. Personally I think it blows they are going to have a special on it and answer the question. I mean you answer the question and you can't ARGUE about it anymore. I mean what fun is that?

You can argue about their methods, or whether or not they should have tested it, or why Jamie keeps that 1920's 'stach or whether Adam likes girls or boys.

<~~~~Doesn't have a TV here in gloom 'n doom land...someone please post the results, link, something. We've had some uber-intelligent debating on this topic...would like to see who's right. I'll take the first dish of crow if I'm wrong...



$.02

The ep is set to air January 30th.

The plane will take off.

The issue is that planes don't use their wheels to move, they use the thrust of the engine to propel themselves forward.

If you put a car on a treadmill, the car will not move forward because it's traction is countered by the treadmill.

You can spin the treadmill as fast as you want, but the plane's wheels are not there to gain traction, the are there to allow the plane to roll when thrust is applied through the engine.

Airspeed, landspeed, doesn't matter. Most planes move across the ground in the same manner they move through the air; by adding power to their engines to propel them forward.

The plane will not stay still it will move forward, as it moves forward and gains speed it will generate lift.

Bob 0119 wrote:The plane will take off.

The issue is that planes don't use their wheels to move, they use the thrust of the engine to propel themselves forward.

If you put a car on a treadmill, the car will not move forward because it's traction is countered by the treadmill.

You can spin the treadmill as fast as you want, but the plane's wheels are not there to gain traction, the are there to allow the plane to roll when thrust is applied through the engine.

Airspeed, landspeed, doesn't matter. Most planes move across the ground in the same manner they move through the air; by adding power to their engines to propel them forward.

The plane will not stay still it will move forward, as it moves forward and gains speed it will generate lift.

We have the winner! The plane did take off.

Myth BUSTED!


YES!

As stated on the first page:

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:12 pm
It will fly. The aircraft will accelerate regardless the speed of the conveyor, because Newton's law still applies. The aircraft gains momentum due to the interaction of engine forces, with no relationship to the conveyor.

The only impact the conveyor would have would be to cause the wheels to turn faster than they ordinarily would, and would have no bearing on the ability of the plane to take off.

Countertrey, Feb. 9, 2007:

SHE FLIES!!! The plane FLIES!!!

The plane would fly and not fly at the same time. As Einstein pointed out, time is a "persistant illusion." Newtonian physics can not be said to apply in the universe as we know it today. All that we can reasonably say is, ''The plane or might not be perceived as flying.''

Hoss wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:The plane will take off.

The issue is that planes don't use their wheels to move, they use the thrust of the engine to propel themselves forward.

If you put a car on a treadmill, the car will not move forward because it's traction is countered by the treadmill.

You can spin the treadmill as fast as you want, but the plane's wheels are not there to gain traction, the are there to allow the plane to roll when thrust is applied through the engine.

Airspeed, landspeed, doesn't matter. Most planes move across the ground in the same manner they move through the air; by adding power to their engines to propel them forward.

The plane will not stay still it will move forward, as it moves forward and gains speed it will generate lift.

We have the winner! The plane did take off.

While I do so love being right, I wasn't even close to being the first one on this thread to be so.

Those included;

Fios
Countertrey
Hooligan
UK Skins Fan
1niksder
Skinsfan#33
Hoss
Desertskin
and RayNAustin

So, i guess this is where the arguement begins disputing the results full scale tests done by the Mythbusters?

^^^^^ I know, but you had the most recent correct thesis.

Hoss wrote:^^^^^ I know, but you had the most recent correct thesis.

Yep, just sharing the credit is all!

That wasn't a treadmill. It was a moving tarp. just kidding.

JansenFan wrote:That wasn't a treadmill. It was a moving tarp. just kidding.

I hasten to repeat: Newtonian principles have been overthrown now for the greater part of a century.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

JansenFan wrote:That wasn't a treadmill. It was a moving tarp. just kidding.

I hasten to repeat: Newtonian principles have been overthrown now for the greater part of a century.

the plane flew!!!

crazyhorse1 wrote:

JansenFan wrote:That wasn't a treadmill. It was a moving tarp. just kidding.

I hasten to repeat: Newtonian principles have been overthrown now for the greater part of a century.

Well, F still equals ma, so you can stick that in your pipe and set it alight.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

JansenFan wrote:That wasn't a treadmill. It was a moving tarp. just kidding.

I hasten to repeat: Newtonian principles have been overthrown now for the greater part of a century.

And they weren't overthrown, but merely put into context.

And the plane flew.