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The Hogster wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I understand the idea of keeping him out if he has been talking, but Geez...we play in the same division as the Eagles. T.O. is playing and I am sure that his comments, and complaining about his contract was more serious than Lavar.

Cursing out the head coach
Calling out McNabb in the Superbowl
Doing Sit-Ups in the driveway
Holding out
Not talking to teamates

Yet he is still on the field. C'mon, egos aside, lets get him in there at least half the time.

Hogster, while I understand where you're coming from, I remind you of the following:

The Eagles (3-1) NEED T.O; the Redskins (3-0, #1 in the NFC EAST) DON'T NEED Lavar, in order to be succesful, as was proven last year and in the first three games of the season.

I want to see what he can bring to this system, but if he ain't willing to "know his role and shut his mouth", he can remain on the bench.

I see your point, but quite honestly the Eagles went to the NFC Championship three years straight without the guy. Someone might argue at the same time that the Eagles don't need T.O

While I agree with your point that we don't need Lavar, it would help to get him on the field more, even if he isn't starting.

Remember though, the Iggles lost WRs to injury, and, suddenly, T.O.'s value to the team skyrocketed. Can you imagine an injured McNabb throwing to a depleted WR corps.

On paper, yes, Lavar upgrades the position, but, as Joe recently said, "you don't win with Xs & Os, you need players who are willing to fight for you", or something like that. I get the feeling, from the staff's personnel choices, and from Lavar's attitude, that he's not one of those players.

Trust me man, I've softened my hardline stance against Lavar that I had a year-and-a-half ago, but he's making it very difficult for me to be part of "Lavar Nation", when "Redskins Country"is doing just fine without him in the mix.

Greetings from NYC: Maybe Lavar gave Greg Wiiliams the same grief he gave Marvin Lewis about rushing the passer as a defensive end. In the past we tailored our defense toward Lavar. These days its the system thats the star not the player. That said I hope this issue is resolved soon and Lavar is back on the field and is with our team for many years to come

I agree. I think this is more about him fitting into the philosophy that Gibbs wants for his team, rather than his ability to play in the system.

Lavar has free-lanced, but Greg Williams has been around along time and he knows how to put him in situations where he can succeed.

I do not see how you can even compare them. It is like comparing a Corvette to a Chevette.

I made a post about this topic over on the USA today slant but have been thinking more about it.

The reason he is not playing? Very simple...contract dispute and Dan Snyder......nuff said. If there is anyone in the organization who puts his personal ego before the team it is sadly the owner.

Flame away!

BernieSki wrote:I do not see how you can even compare them. It is like comparing a Corvette to a Chevette.

Well, you just proved my point...

"Corvette" v. "Chevette": difference = three letters (h-e-v)

Arrington v. Holdman: difference = three letters (w-i-n)

I'll take a "W-I-N", over more horsepower ANY DAY.

Arrington needs to play. He must of really pissed of Gibbs for him not to be playing. Any news on what he has done to put him in the dog house?

nuskins wrote:I made a post about this topic over on the USA today slant but have been thinking more about it.

The reason he is not playing? Very simple...contract dispute and Dan Snyder......nuff said. If there is anyone in the organization who puts his personal ego before the team it is sadly the owner.

Flame away!

C'mon, man, that's a low blow.

If anyone should hold a "grudge" against Lavar, it's the man he disrespects whenever he airs his dirty laundry on the radio or in print: Joe Jackson Gibbs.

But, this is certainly not a decision based on a grudge, but on an evaluation made in practice. PLain as that. Ther e is no conspiracy out there. No, Snyder is not threatening to send Lavar a Big Screen TV, or anything like that.

This is Joe's team. Period.

To suggest that Danny's running the show, shows that you have not been paying close attantion to the restructuring that has gone on since Gibbs arrived.

The Beast, Lavar will be let out in the Mile High city and reap terror on the Broncos.

We are saving him for the latter half of the season and into the playoffs, he is our secret weapon, GIbbs and GW told me in our closed door meeting in Los Angeles this morning , ahhaha Guess Lavar is being a bad boy and being put on time out, hahaha

Bust some heads Lavar.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:But, this is certainly not a decision based on a grudge, but on an evaluation made in practice. PLain as that. Ther e is no conspiracy out there. No, Snyder is not threatening to send Lavar a Big Screen TV, or anything like that.

To say that is fine and everything, but the reality is that we have no clue why Arrington isn't playing. Just because Gibbs says it is simply a coach's decision to not play Arrington doesn't make it true. This is a guy who holds his cards closer to him than anybody.

I'm not saying that Snyder is behind this, or that the FOX report is true, but if Arrington is healthy, there has to be more than this. Even if he won't buy into the system, that does not prevent the coaches from using him on third and long as a defensive end.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
C'mon, man, that's a low blow.

If anyone should hold a "grudge" against Lavar, it's the man he disrespects whenever he airs his dirty laundry on the radio or in print: Joe Jackson Gibbs.

But, this is certainly not a decision based on a grudge, but on an evaluation made in practice. PLain as that. Ther e is no conspiracy out there. No, Snyder is not threatening to send Lavar a Big Screen TV, or anything like that.

This is Joe's team. Period.

To suggest that Danny's running the show, shows that you have not been paying close attantion to the restructuring that has gone on since Gibbs arrived.

Oh, I certainly have been paying attention to the restructuring since Gibbs arrived and for the most part have relished tha fact that Danny boy has accepted that he is no football coach. My point is this: based on previous dealings with players ( as you referenced the big screen) I DO NOT put it past Dan to make a decision such as this with a player that personally pisses him off as I am sure the contract dispute with Arrignton did. when it comes to $$ Danny boy is probably as shrewed as it gets. Billionares don't like it when people start messing with their money, even if it's chump change to them. why? Money is not just money, it's power, and Dan has proven time and again that power plays are his forte'....just some food for thought.

I could be WAY off base here but i was thinking about it so I threw it out there, it does have some warrant to the discussion I think! I am just exploring all options, b/c really none of them make sense at this point.

Do I sense the Lavar-hating Red showing back up around the boards?



(did he ever leave? )

nuskins wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
C'mon, man, that's a low blow.

If anyone should hold a "grudge" against Lavar, it's the man he disrespects whenever he airs his dirty laundry on the radio or in print: Joe Jackson Gibbs.

But, this is certainly not a decision based on a grudge, but on an evaluation made in practice. PLain as that. Ther e is no conspiracy out there. No, Snyder is not threatening to send Lavar a Big Screen TV, or anything like that.

This is Joe's team. Period.

To suggest that Danny's running the show, shows that you have not been paying close attantion to the restructuring that has gone on since Gibbs arrived.

Oh, I certainly have been paying attention to the restructuring since Gibbs arrived and for the most part have relished tha fact that Danny boy has accepted that he is no football coach. My point is this: based on previous dealings with players ( as you referenced the big screen) I DO NOT put it past Dan to make a decision such as this with a player that personally pisses him off as I am sure the contract dispute with Arrignton did. when it comes to $$ Danny boy is probably as shrewed as it gets. Billionares don't like it when people start messing with their money, even if it's chump change to them. why? Money is not just money, it's power, and Dan has proven time and again that power plays are his forte'....just some food for thought.

I could be WAY off base here but i was thinking about it so I threw it out there, it does have some warrant to the discussion I think! I am just exploring all options, b/c really none of them make sense at this point.

True, very true, and you make some good points. This is certainly a smorgasbord of food for thought. But, hey, so long as Coach keeps winning, he can keep his cards locked in a vault underground in a hideout in Malaysia, for all I care.

To borrow a Raider phrase, "Just win, baby!!"

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:Do I sense the Lavar-hating Red showing back up around the boards?



(did he ever leave? )

Actually, he's tied up at the moment, but he's already chewed through the Skins bandana I used to gag him, and he's making some interesting observations, in light of Mr. Arrington's comments.

redeemedskin, do you really feel that Holdman contibuted more to the last few wins then Levar could have? IMO there is no player on defense that has contributed less then Holdman. At the very least Arrington has the potential to be an impact player in every game, Holdman does not.

BernieSki wrote:redeemedskin, do you really feel that Holdman contibuted more to the last few wins then Levar could have? IMO there is no player on defense that has contributed less then Holdman. At the very least Arrington has the potential to be an impact player in every game, Holdman does not.

What about Ade Jimoh?

Let me attempt to squash this entire issue real quick...

Lavar won't be a Skin anymore as long as
A: hes not playing more, and
B: hes not getting his money

and I really could care less because he's great trade bait.

BernieSki wrote:redeemedskin, do you really feel that Holdman contibuted more to the last few wins then Levar could have? IMO there is no player on defense that has contributed less then Holdman. At the very least Arrington has the potential to be an impact player in every game, Holdman does not.

Honestly, I really haven't paid attention to Holdman, which isn't all that bad, really. He's not really trying to draw attention to himself; he just goes in and plays his assignments. That workman-like attitude has worked the past few games, and that suffices for me.

The only negative that I see, about Lavar not playing, is the drama that it has created in DC. Other than that, I'm sound as a pound, baby, yeah!!!

Also, y'all make it sound like he's Ade JImoh out theere at LB, which is completely baseless.

I think the Arrington drama is a good sign. It means there is no QB controversy!

Next thing you know, the media will be saying DC fans are obsessed with Linebackers.

cvillehog wrote:I think the Arrington drama is a good sign. It means there is no QB controversy!

True dat.

Maybe they'll trade him for a first-round pick,

but then again, Arrington is too tied up to the cap.

Something has got to give. Lavar may be a real "head case" with all the contract and injury issues, but we are in desperate need of a pass rush. The pressure we have seen from the defense so far this year will not hold up forever. We have to get to the QB. Hopefully GW has made his point and we see Lavar back on the field soon. Bottom line is that we have to trust the coaches on this no matter what the reason is.

IMO Arrington is not playing because he has not earned the starting position back yet. I know that he can be very good in this defence but the "process" of starting on this team is becoming a position that is earned and he has not done that yet.

I think we will see him playing more soon and that will be a good thing for everyone.

We are very fortunate to be 3-0 but it also seems we are getting better at playing together as a team and I'm sure this is something Greg & Joe have been emphasising through all the assistants and IMO it is beginning to have an effect on the field.

We are going to be better when Lavar earns back his spot but that will also mean we are deeper at that position. Greg likes to say that everybody who plays for him defensively is a "starter" but the only way that any player gets any time on the field is to be included in more packages and you have to "earn" that.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
But, IMO, Holdman has done nothing to threaten his starting job.

I don't know it is great for a safety to be invisable, but not a linebacker!