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box8276 wrote:Lets face it... Ramsey looks like, well the same old int' throwing laughing stock, who looked absolutely terrible against a pathetic Bears team. This was not a playoff caliber team, and we were at home. Meaning Ramsey SHOULD have lit their asses up!

GREAT argument. Did Brunell "light their asses up?" I think not. Go back to reading and not responding.

NFL.come wire wrote:http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/WAS/8838164

Ramsey and Brunell had similar stats for the game -- with one huge exception: Brunell led three scoring drives, while Ramsey led three drives that stalled with either a fumble or an interception. Gibbs has shown little tolerance for turnovers this season, something he backed up Sept. 11 by yanking Antonio Brown as the kickoff returner after Brown fumbled the opening kick of the second half

Gibbs is not a liar, he wants his people to hold on to the ball or they'll get someone who can..... period.

The Hogster wrote:[Ramsey has been our QB for 3 years, and all we have done is made excuses for him. Meanwhile guys like David Carr have gotten better and better each year. Ramsey is at a mental standstill.

Yep...Carr and his 3 INT's yesterday...GREAT example.

I believe people here are pointing out Ramsey's fault's but I still don't believe he has been given a legitimate shot. Brunell was horrible last year. This is rediculous. So here is how the season will play out. Win here, loss there defense and Portis wins some games. at 6-8 we concede defeat and put in Cambell who wins one of two games.

It is so clear it is as if it already happened. Wait is sort of did. Gibbs- I hope you know what you're doing.

I still want ramsey... but Gibbs says brunell... then it's brunell... HAIL GIBBS...

~Semper Fi

Great Natale wrote:I believe people here are pointing out Ramsey's fault's but I still don't believe he has been given a legitimate shot. Brunell was horrible last year. This is rediculous. So here is how the season will play out. Win here, loss there defense and Portis wins some games. at 6-8 we concede defeat and put in Cambell who wins one of two games.

It is so clear it is as if it already happened. Wait is sort of did. Gibbs- I hope you know what you're doing.

It's true...Brunell did play dreadfully last season....

Maybe brunell might know the system a little better.... after getting 1 year under his belt...


The Cowpie game will be Vet vs. Vet BledsoE vs BrunelL...
#11 will be sitting on the bench watching...

R.T.R baby westside

Do you think Gibbs favours Brunell because of their first meeting when Brunell rushed him to the hospital when he got off the plane. The guys on Sporting News Radio this morning say they have a strong bond because of their strong christianity view. I think we had a better chance with Danny Wuerful than Mark Brunell, Danny is stil a free agent.

I think he must favor Brunell b/c he likes over the hill quarterbacks who can't move and can't throw the ball further than 5 yards downfield. That's the only thing I can figure.

he probably favors him because he makes less turnovers, takes less sacks, and has a better ablitiy to scramble..

which all says he's looking for a QB that doesn't "lose" games for us....

Riggo44 wrote:I think he must favor Brunell b/c he likes over the hill quarterbacks who can't move and can't throw the ball further than 5 yards downfield. That's the only thing I can figure.

Maybe he likes QB's who dont whine when they dont get their way, and are proven winners

ike075 wrote:Rush to judgement? Here is a quote from this artical
"Asked if the decision to start Brunell was related to the neck sprain, Gibbs said: "I think Patrick's fine."

No rush here. It seems Gibbs is rushing to judgement and I have the up most respect for that man!

Please see the other thread:

"Why Ramsey should be benched."

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15116

redskingush wrote:I think we had a better chance with Danny Wuerful than Mark Brunell, Danny is stil a free agent.

As much as I pimp DW on this site, I cannot put him in the same category as Mark Brunell. Brunell is a proven QB in this league. Last year he was hurt; this year he's healthy. He'll manage the team better, and get us some wins. Heck, he might even surprise the naysayers.

Plus...we're currenntly undefeated with him under center.

Champsturf wrote:

box8276 wrote:Lets face it... Ramsey looks like, well the same old int' throwing laughing stock, who looked absolutely terrible against a pathetic Bears team. This was not a playoff caliber team, and we were at home. Meaning Ramsey SHOULD have lit their asses up!

GREAT argument. Did Brunell "light their asses up?" I think not. Go back to reading and not responding.

Brunell led us to our scoring drives. Ramsey is a fumbling, int throwing QB. He always has been

skinsfanno9 wrote:Truly, Ramsey is "D for Done" as far as being a redskin is concerned. He's rightly asking for a trade. Gibbs lied to him by telling him he was the starter, and has publically made clear that he has NO CONFIDENCE in him whatsoever.

Bottom line, Ramsey would be a bad backup as he may poisen the locker room now. He has to go.

I saw him last night on comcast sporstnet in an interview and he says he is not seeking a trade.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

redskingush wrote:I think we had a better chance with Danny Wuerful than Mark Brunell, Danny is stil a free agent.

As much as I pimp DW on this site, I cannot put him in the same category as Mark Brunell. Brunell is a proven QB in this league. Last year he was hurt; this year he's healthy. He'll manage the team better, and get us some wins. Heck, he might even surprise the naysayers.

Plus...we're currenntly undefeated with him under center.

I agree, it's absurd to compare Brunell to Wuerful, he was just comical.

I agree, it's absurd to compare Brunell to Wuerful, he was just comical.

Wuerffel 2002 in 7 Games
Completion %: 63
td's:3
int's:6
qb rating:70.9
yards:719
ypa: 7.82
completions over 20 yards: 8

Brunell 2005 in 9 Games:
Completion %:49.8
td's:7
int's:6
qb rating:63.9
yards:1194
ypa:5.04
completions over 20 yards:10

The comparison seems pretty valid to me...

SkinzCanes wrote:

I agree, it's absurd to compare Brunell to Wuerful, he was just comical.

Wuerffel 2002 in 7 Games
Completion %: 63
td's:3
int's:6
qb rating:70.9
yards:719
ypa: 7.82
completions over 20 yards: 8

Brunell 2005 in 9 Games:
Completion %:49.8
td's:7
int's:6
qb rating:63.9
yards:1194
ypa:5.04
completions over 20 yards:10

The comparison seems pretty valid to me...

**Rolling**

Damn, even I had to laugh at myself for that one. Next time I should check my stat book. I will say that I think Brunell will put up better numbers this year.

SkinzCanes wrote:

I agree, it's absurd to compare Brunell to Wuerful, he was just comical.

Wuerffel 2002 in 7 Games
Completion %: 63
td's:3
int's:6
qb rating:70.9
yards:719
ypa: 7.82
completions over 20 yards: 8

Brunell 2005 in 9 Games:
Completion %:49.8
td's:7
int's:6
qb rating:63.9
yards:1194
ypa:5.04
completions over 20 yards:10

The comparison seems pretty valid to me...

Where's the comparison of the win/loss ratio? Plus, it's a moot point to compare the Spurrier offense to Gibbs'. In the OBC's system, you could, technically, throw picks, because you knew there were plays designed to score quickly and gain chunks of yards, albeit at the expense of your QB's safety and your defense's recovery time.

If the OBC were still here, I'd be pining for DW to start, because, even then, HE managed the OBC's SYSTEM better than Patrick (notice a trend here?).

Now, Brunell manages Gibbs' system better than Patrick. That is what Joe wants, and that is what he will get.

I disagree wholeheartedly that Brunell will stink this year. Just sit back and enjoy the "BRUNELL TO PATTEN" combination that we began to see in the preseason.

As someone's sig line says...

"SOMETHING MAGICAL IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN."

Keep the faith, in the team, if not in the QB.

- REDEEMEDSKIN

BringThePain! wrote:which all says he's looking for a QB that doesn't "lose" games for us....

Yes, but he can't "win" games for us either.

It is all on Portis, again. And now all they have to do is stick 8 men in the box, which will cause problems for the running game and if Brunell plays with any similarity for last year (for example, how he played against the Bears) we won't be scoring many TDs.

air_hog wrote:

BringThePain! wrote:which all says he's looking for a QB that doesn't "lose" games for us....

Yes, but he can't "win" games for us either.

well we can say Ramsey can score touchdowns... but he turns it over 3 times a game two... so that negates any points he's going to give us...

it's not like Brunell is incapable of getting us points... he drove down the field 3 times against a pretty decent stubborn Bears defense...

Brunnel fumbles so whats the diffrence?

A turnover is a turnover.

I rather for Ramsy to throw a pick on someones 20 yard line as opposed to Brunell fumbling on our 20.

BringThePain! wrote:well we can say Ramsey can score touchdowns... but he turns it over 3 times a game two... so that negates any points he's going to give us...

does everyone have amnesia and forgotten the fumble problem brunell had last year?!? the only difference being that the opposition usually returned his for points (or at least it seemed that way).

redskincity wrote:Brunnel fumbles so whats the diffrence?

A turnover is a turnover.

I rather for Ramsy to throw a pick on someones 20 yard line as opposed to Brunell fumbling on our 20.

good point, redskinscity.

joebagadonuts wrote:

BringThePain! wrote:well we can say Ramsey can score touchdowns... but he turns it over 3 times a game two... so that negates any points he's going to give us...

does everyone have amnesia and forgotten the fumble problem brunell had last year?!? the only difference being that the opposition usually returned his for points (or at least it seemed that way).

he had 3 lost fumbles last year... 2 of which I believe were QB/Center exchange... remember the whole center swithcing that went on in the first game?... that's why we got Rabach... whether the Defense score points after his fumbles is moot...

even if you threw those fumbles in, they both played in 9 games... Brunell Had 9 turnovers and was sacked 15 times.. Ramsey had 13 turnovers and was sacked 23 times..

he creates more turnovers and holds on to the ball too long so we lose field position...

they both suck... so there's no use on bitching and standing up for either one...