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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:59 pm
by 1niksder
WshSkins22 wrote:WHy are some of you saying keep SEan, are you guys out of your minds? This guy freakin is being charged with assualt while hes playing for the redskins. So waht if hes talented, I could really care less, Ricky Williams was talented but where did that get the dolphins? I dont care how good he is, he needs to be gone from the redskins I dont care how, he has no discipline, and so what hes 22, that gives him teh right to shoot up someones house? Im only 16 and I am not dumb enough to do that, especially if I was making millions. If he goes to another team and does well, then so what as long as he doesnt ruin our team

Can we wait to see what really happen before we throw the baby out with the bath water. Whatever happens Taylor isn't going anywhere with a double digit cap number.
Everyone that wants to get rid of Mr.Taylor has plenty of time to voice their opinions, because ...
1. Sean hasn't been found guilty of anything.
2. We don't even know what he did.... Shoot into someone's home or point a gun at someone? Both are wrong but 2 different things.
3. This may take months what do you do with someone that my be completely exonerated

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:05 pm
by Jake
Redskins Statement On Sean Taylor

June 4, 2005

The Washington Redskins issued the following statement regarding safety Sean Taylor:

"We have just been made aware of a potential situation in Miami regarding Sean Taylor. The representatives for Taylor are keeping us informed as to the developments of the situation. There is nothing we can add to the process at this time."


http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7440

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:15 pm
by 1niksder
Update
Redskins Safety Was Charged With Aggravated Assault, Simple Battery According to Two Reports

By Jason La CanforaWashington Post Staff Writer

Sunday, June 5, 2005; Page E01

ESPN.com and the Miami Herald reported that Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor turned himself in to the Miami-Dade Police Department last night and was charged with a felony count of aggravated assault with a firearm as well as simple battery, but police officials would not confirm that and continued to say that Taylor was a person of interest in this case.

The Herald said Taylor turned himself in, accompanied by his lawyer, about 10 p.m. last night at the Cutler Ridge district police station and was taken to Turner Guilford Knight correctional facility.


Taylor, 22, selected with the fifth overall pick in the 2004 draft, and a friend were at the scene of an incident involving a stolen car and shots being fired on Wednesday night, a police spokeswoman said on Friday, and was wanted for questioning in the case, although the department would not stipulate if he was a suspect, victim or witness. As of 1 a.m. this morning police officials were still calling him a person of interest and would not confirm any other information or elaborate on the subject.

Several police staff members spoken to late Saturday night said they had been instructed by the department's media relations department that no new information was available and that they would issue a news release if or when developments warranted. A source at the Miami-Dade Correctional Facility said that as of 12:45 this morning Taylor's name did not appear in their arrest information, but added that it could take several hours for that to occur if someone was in the process of being questioned by police.

Taylor's mother, Donna Junor, said that she did not know if her son was being questioned and still had not heard from him recently. "I'm not aware of that," she said when reached at her house at about 11:30 p.m. "I don't know anything about that."

The Washington Redskins had not acknowledged the situation until after 11 p.m. last night, when the team released a statement saying: "We have just been made aware of a potential situation in Miami regarding Sean Taylor. The representatives for Taylor are keeping us informed as to the developments of the situation. There is nothing we can add to the process at this time."

Taylor's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, has not returned repeated phone calls for the past two days.
Police officials have said no one was injured in this incident. One police source said Friday that the scene took place in a residential area in south Florida and shots were fired into a stolen vehicle, but the nature of Taylor's presence there and any involvement in the case was unclear. At that time police said they did not know if the stolen vehicle had belonged to Taylor or his friend or someone else.

Police investigators had contacted Taylor's family and league officials hoping to find him, but several of Taylor's family members said on Friday that they did not know where he has been. His father, Pedro, is chief of police in Florida City, but was unwilling to speak to this matter when reached on Friday, directed reporters to call Junor. Taylor has not been at Redskins Park since the end of the season in January and has had no contact with team officials, refusing to return calls from Coach Joe Gibbs and his staff.

Taylor, who left the University of Miami after his junior season, has spent much of the offseason in south Florida, where he makes his home, while skipping the club's voluntary workouts, with Gibbs expressing his disappointment in that decision on numerous occasions.

While Taylor, who attended the University of Miami, had a strong rookie season on the field, he was plagued by problems off of it.
Taylor was arrested and charged with driving while intoxicated in October, suspended for one game by the team, and then later acquitted. He fired his agent twice before returning to Rosenhaus due to unhappiness with the six-year deal -- worth a maximum of $40 million -- the he had signed under previous representation. Taylor was fined $25,000 by the league after leaving its mandatory rookie symposium without permission and a member of the Cincinnati Bengals accused Taylor of spitting on him during a game last season, although the NFL could not find evidence of the claim after investigating it.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01464.html

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:17 pm
by jeremyroyce
Hello all here is another story here... And was is interesting is that this story keeps changing.. And honestly I really don't know what to think about Sean Taylor until we actually get more facts, but here is the story
Sports email this print this reprint or license this
Posted on Sun, Jun. 05, 2005




MIAMI-DADE COUNTY


Redskins' Taylor charged in shooting

Washington Redskin Sean Taylor faces felony charges after a shooting in South Miami-Dade last week.

BY CHARLES RABIN AND SUSANNAH A. NESMITH

crabin@herald.com


Former University of Miami All-American and current Washington Redskin safety Sean Taylor turned himself in to police Saturday night and was charged with aggravated assault with a firearm and battery.

Taylor pointed a firearm at a person during a dispute over an allegedly stolen ATV and demanded to know where the vehicle was, said Miami-Dade police spokeswoman Linda O'Brien.

The incident occurred about 1 a.m. Wednesday, O'Brien said. No one was injured but a car was damaged by gunfire.

Taylor turned himself in, accompanied by his lawyer, about 10 p.m. Saturday at the Cutler Ridge district police station, O'Brien said. He was taken to Turner Guilford Knight correctional facility.

His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, would not comment. His mother, Donna Junor, also declined to comment earlier in the day Saturday.

Taylor's father is Florida City Police Chief Pedro W. Taylor. He could not be reached Saturday night.

Police had been looking for Taylor since the shooting, which took place at 163rd Avenue and Southwest 176th Street, O'Brien said.

Police were investigating a second shooting Wednesday at a separate address they say is related, but Taylor was not been charged in that incident.

Taylor has been in Miami while negotiating a new contract with the Redskins. Coach Joe Gibbs has been asking Taylor to join the team in voluntary workouts at their home base in suburban Washington. Taylor missed spring mini-camp this year and has been asking to renegotiate his seven-year $18 million contact, which he signed as a rookie in 2004.

Taylor was the No. 5 overall draft pick in the 2004 draft.

In April, The Herald reported that Taylor boycotted the Redskins' offseason workout program because he needed time away from football after a difficult rookie season.

Taylor and another former UM standout, wide receiver Santana Moss, were the Redskins' only unexcused absentees from that mini-camp. Taylor, a second-year player, is considered to have had a fine rookie year on the field, but caused the team problems off the field.

He fired two agents, was fined for skipping a day at the NFL's rookie symposium and was benched for a game after being arrested on a charge of drunken driving.

In January, that charge was dismissed, but Taylor was still convicted of refusing to take a blood-alcohol test.

Taylor left UM after a stellar 2003 season in which he earned All-American honors. He played high school football locally for the Gulliver Raiders.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sp ... 818338.htm

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:24 pm
by 1niksder
Now we are talking about a second shooting?

This just keeps getting better...
Taylor pulled a gun on someone, we know that now.
We thought he shot into someone house, but did he?
Someone's car has bullet holds in it. Did Sean do that?
Lot's of questions.... here's the big one.

Where will Sean Taylor be on June 17th

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:34 pm
by NikiH
Well if the police are yet to release that he's been charged and arrested then I'm not believing these news stories floating around out there. Most times if actual sources do not confirm the story it's not 100% accurate. I'll still withhold judgement for the facts.

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:49 pm
by hkHog
I've been a huge supporter of this guy but even if he is guilty or not he really has a screw loose. So much for staying out of the media spotlight. This guy is so self destructive! Just the fact that he puts himself into a situation like this, guilty or not, is absolutlely rediculous. He has some very serious issues and I don't know if he should be around anymore. As they said in the Times article about this, last week Gibbs was saying that he was begining to doubt that Taylor was the kind of player that he wanted to build a team around but he hadn't given up yet. Now what? Isn't the first rule not to embarass the Redskins and he has done it twice in eight months. Nobody else on the team has gotten in trouble. You know what, I think that maybe I have given up on him now, he is a bad apple. He is the only guy not to attend workouts as well. He is destroying his NFL career. As good as he is, I don't know if I want someone so self destructive around here anymore. I can tell you one thing, no chance he gets a new contract now. Sean Taylor should wake up and realize that the reason he gets bad media is because of HIS ACTIONS, and his actions alone. At this point, it's pretty clear that the media isn't being unfair to him anymore. All of the things he has been criticized for were things that he did and situations he got himself into. The rookie symposium is meant to teach you how to avoid these situations, he skipped that and now he is getting arrested twice a year. This guy is turning out to be VERY bad news.

Florida's 10-20 Life Law

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:58 pm
by WshSkins22
If Sean Taylor is convicted, it will fall under Florida's 10-20 law, I saw this in another forum.
10-20-LIFE has helped to drive down Florida's violent-gun crime rates by 28%. The state's 2003, "Index Crime" rate is now the lowest in 32 years, and the violent crime rate is the lowest in a quarter century.

The 10-20-LIFE public information program continues. The Florida Department of Corrections, in conjunction with the Executive Office of the Governor, and the Florida Legislature continue to inform the public that Florida's tolerance for crime is over. Staff from the Department of Corrections has provided several community presentations on gun violence, and distributed materials about 10-20-LIFE.


The 1999 Florida Legislature passed sweeping legislation that provides for enhanced minimum mandatory prison terms for offenders who commit crimes with guns.

10-20-LIFE
Mandates a minimum 10 year prison term for certain felonies, or attempted felonies in which the offender possesses a firearm or destructive device
Mandates a minimum 20 year prison term when the firearm is discharged
Mandates a minimum 25 years to LIFE if someone is injured or killed
Mandates a minimum 3 year prison term for possession of a firearm by a felon
Mandates that the minimum prison term is to be served consecutively to any other term of imprisonment imposed


If I read the articles right, I think he did fire the weapon, but hey OJ chopped his wifes head off and hes fine lol just kidding

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:00 pm
by washington53
im speechless

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:03 pm
by WshSkins22
last week Gibbs was saying that he was begining to doubt that Taylor was the kind of player that he wanted to build a team around but he hadn't given up yet.


Hey where did you read that can you send me a link I dont remember that, but other than that you made some good points

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:13 pm
by hkHog
WshSkins22 wrote:
last week Gibbs was saying that he was begining to doubt that Taylor was the kind of player that he wanted to build a team around but he hadn't given up yet.


Hey where did you read that can you send me a link I dont remember that, but other than that you made some good points


Here you go man, from today's Washington Times:

Gibbs conceded last week that Taylor doesn't fit with the type of team he is trying to build, but the coach said he hasn't given up on Taylor.


http://www.washtimes.com/sports/2005060 ... -9030r.htm

It's the last sentence of the article.

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:14 pm
by Skinsfan55
He used a gun (pointed it at someone) and he punched someone else... isn't that 25 to life since he injured someone and had a gun?

If Sean Taylor "beats the rap" it will be just that, and a miscarriage of justice. I hope he goes to jail and we get our money back.

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:20 pm
by WshSkins22
^ your right, I hope he goes to jail

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:00 pm
by SKINS#1
Is this a big surprise to anyone other than myself. With a father who is Chief of Police, wouldn't you think he was taught that this type of response is criminal and you can go to jail for these actions?????

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:10 pm
by JPM36
I for one do NOT hope that the best player on the Redskins and one of the best prospects this franchise has ever had goes to jail.

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:46 pm
by die cowboys die
NikiH wrote:Yesterday it was bullets fired, today he merely pointed it at someone.


"merely" pointed it at someone? if someone pointed a gun at me, i would want that person to go to jail for a long time. obviously they don't belong roaming free in society.


we should be entitled to a "compensatory" 1st round pick in next year's draft if this fool has flushed his career down the toilet. this incident is not football-related and there's no way we could've known he had these character issues (never got in trouble before). we don't deserve to have our draft pick stolen away from us like this.

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:50 pm
by General Failure
die cowboys die wrote:
NikiH wrote:Yesterday it was bullets fired, today he merely pointed it at someone.


"merely" pointed it at someone? if someone pointed a gun at me, i would want that person to go to jail for a long time.


And a clean pair of shorts.

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:55 pm
by 1niksder
die cowboys die wrote:"merely" pointed it at someone? if someone pointed a gun at me, i would want that person to go to jail for a long time. obviously they don't belong roaming free in society.

But it's OK for the thief to roam freely. Sure Saen should have called the police, or at less followed the golden rule ("don't pull a gun unless you intend to use it"), then we'd be talking murder and this wouldn't be so fuzzy



die cowboys die wrote:we should be entitled to a "compensatory" 1st round pick in next year's draft if this fool has flushed his career down the toilet. this incident is not football-related and there's no way we could've known he had these character issues (never got in trouble before). we don't deserve to have our draft pick stolen away from us like this.


Then every team that selected a player that didn't make the roster would want something back.
The Draft is a crapshoot, always has been always will be

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:00 pm
by General Failure
And it's not like you didn't get months to poke and prod at the kid before the draft.

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:09 pm
by die cowboys die
1niksder wrote:But it's OK for the thief to roam freely[?]


no, i have zero tolerance for thieves actually. they should be severely punished.

1niksder wrote:Then every team that selected a player that didn't make the roster would want something back.
The Draft is a crapshoot, always has been always will be


no, 1niksder. there is a gigantic difference between a player not making the team because of his football ability (or lack thereof), compared to not being able to play football at ALL for any non-football-related reason.

injuries and misevaluations of talent happen in football, that's part of the game. but there was no "game tape" or footage of sean taylor's off-field character. there was no way for us to know he would do anything like this, not even a way to make an educated guess. therefore it is wrong for us to be severely penalized by essentially losing/wasting that #5 draft pick.

i know we won't ever get any compensation, i'm just expressing my frustration at this bull-crap. completely losing that #5 pick is just unimaginable and it seems wrong that we should just have it flushed away.

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:10 pm
by General Failure
He's a Miami player. Did you assume he was going to help little old ladies cross the street all day long?

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:11 pm
by die cowboys die
General Failure wrote:And it's not like you didn't get months to poke and prod at the kid before the draft.


we poked and prodded every orifice in his character. gibbs would never have signed off on that pick if there had been any indication taylor could/would ever do something like this.

that is why you should not be punished for misdiagnosis of character unless there is clear evidence of previous "issues"/trouble. when a team scouts a player, they can look at hours and hours of game tape to guage his talent, but all you can do is ask around about his character and there is no way to know if you are asking the right people or if they will even tell the truth. therefore you should not be punished if you misdiagnosis their character- there was no way for you to know.

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:13 pm
by General Failure
If you misdiagnose someone's character it's not their fault. It's yours. The Redskins should not be coddled for not properly evaluating a headcase.

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:15 pm
by Redskin in Canada
Why not take a break and watch a movie?

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... ff459c69d9

This discussion could be had in better perspective -after- watching a movie. Take my word for it. :wink:

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:17 pm
by General Failure
Maybe I'll go watch Falling Down.