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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Half of me says "F Cousins" because it's not about what he wants.

Yes it is. This is solely about what Cousins wants. The FO needs to put their big boy pants on and resign him. There are no two ways around it. And if Cousins doesn't want to be here, the FO need to trade him to get something in return besides a possible compensatory pick next year. Cousins holds all of the cards.

No, he doesn't. That's just asinine thinking. How about a year out of football or on the bench behind Colt McCoy? How will that do for your next contract, Kirk?

But, no. Team owners have turned into gutless wonders who just roll over on command when a player is unhappy. Well, screw that and screw Cousins.

Here's what I'd do. Wait until every other team in the league has its QB situation set and then lift the tag. Piss on him.

Sounds like you may have a little Snyder-dictator in you also.

You start McCoy with Cousins on the bench getting paid 24M????? The better QB..... That's just idiotic. And that would only make the organization look stupid, Cousin a martyr, and make it 100% certain that no free agent would ever come to DC for the next decade. Yeah, good plan......

THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!!!!!!!!

Oh --- and SF doesn't have their QB situation locked up; IMHO they have rented Hoyer for the specific purpose of signing Cousins next year. They are frontloading contracts (see Garcons) to free up space for next year.

markshark84 wrote:Sounds like you may have a little Snyder-dictator in you also.

You start McCoy with Cousins on the bench getting paid 24M????? The better QB..... That's just idiotic. And that would only make the organization look stupid, Cousin a martyr, and make it 100% certain that no free agent would ever come to DC for the next decade. Yeah, good plan......

THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!!!!!!!!

Fine. Play him. And don't pass block. Seriously, there are ways of getting someone's attention if you want it.

Let's just remind everyone we wouldn't have this problem if Scot McCloughan had been able to sign Kirk Cousins when he wanted.

Gotta love his sense of humor...

According to “a source with knowledge of the Redskins’ decision,” Cousins’ camp offered the Redskins a “three-year deal last February worth $19.5 [million] a year with significant guarantees.” That offer was still on the table in July.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/03/ ... sins-deal/

How about a year out of football or on the bench behind Colt McCoy? How will that do for your next contract, Kirk?

That would be the worst decision ever. No way the fans would accept it. The owner and FO would

only be shooting themselves in the foot and it would create intense locker room turmoil.

Any way you slice it, KC has the most leverage in this situation. He's been a good boy. He wants his money now,

even if that means turning Snyder's plans upside down.

El Mexican wrote:

How about a year out of football or on the bench behind Colt McCoy? How will that do for your next contract, Kirk?

That would be the worst decision ever. No way the fans would accept it. The owner and FO would

only be shooting themselves in the foot and it would create intense locker room turmoil.

Any way you slice it, KC has the most leverage in this situation. He's been a good boy. He wants his money now,

even if that means turning Snyder's plans upside down.

So, the plan is to give him $24MM+ and then let him walk next season and get nothing in return? Brilliant.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

El Mexican wrote:

How about a year out of football or on the bench behind Colt McCoy? How will that do for your next contract, Kirk?

That would be the worst decision ever. No way the fans would accept it. The owner and FO would

only be shooting themselves in the foot and it would create intense locker room turmoil.

Any way you slice it, KC has the most leverage in this situation. He's been a good boy. He wants his money now,

even if that means turning Snyder's plans upside down.

So, the plan is to give him $24MM+ and then let him walk next season and get nothing in return? Brilliant.

I think what many don't take into consideration is Danny doesn't give two *f$ck* about us. He cares about one thing, PROFIT which this team still is. As long as that still happens he will continue to make this team look like the dysfunctional crack head with Danny and Bruce screwing us fans while laughing to the bank. I don't think it goes any further than that. We now also have lost both our starting receivers and Cousins hasn't signed his franchise tender. What you think there is nothing going on with that? Who wouldn't be there to sign for 23.9 million? Perhaps Cousins knows he's good, perhaps he banked his 20 million from last year and will not sign and sit out the entire year just to *f$ck* Snyder. He knows 1 year won't matter knowing the crap coming out of Ashburn. I say we better get ready for Colt McCoy, Doctson, Crowder, Reed, Vernon and Fat Rob and hope we don't lose more than 9 games. I think the perverbial sky has fallen and we are *f$ck*. Thank you again Daniel Snyder.....

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:So, the plan is to give him $24MM+ and then let him walk next season and get nothing in return? Brilliant.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how this somehow would make you think "F Cousins".

There's NO possible chance that Cousins will sign a long term deal here and he shouldn't

there's also NO WAY that these bozos are letting him play here for a year and then losing him - they're stupid but they're not that stupid

those 2 options are not happening - NO WAY .... and everyone knows this


these 2 ego maniacs think that they can put a viable product on the field - and there will be idiots that agree with them

it's NEVER been about the coaching or the players or who the QB is - Dan Snyder has to let NFL people like Scot, manage things

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:So, the plan is to give him $24MM+ and then let him walk next season and get nothing in return? Brilliant.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how this somehow would make you think "F Cousins".

Cousins would still be a nothing and a nobody without the Skins giving him a shot. Shanahan may have drafted him (with Snyder's and Allen's OK), but ...

Shanahan isn't the one who placed faith in him as a starter and kept his ass around and surrounded him with talented receivers and a much improved offensive line.

Cousins wanting out comes off as being a selfish jackoff and a complete ingrate to the franchise that made him more than a nobody.

So, I remain firm in my original statement. Who gives a flying turd what Kirk Cousins wants.

I'll tell you what, Kirk. RGIII's sorry ass was worth the 1sts and a 2nd, and you're better than he was, so we want two 1sts and two 2nds for you.

If we don't get it, you're playing here. Bite my ass, kid.

Next bit of stupid from the Redskins Front Office:

Chris Mortensen‏Verified account @mortreport

Kirk Cousins appealed personally to owner Dan Snyder for a trade but was basically told not to get his hopes up, per sources.

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there must be something in the water ... a lot of strange things happening in DC recently

this is a huge mess but it's definitely going to get some attention from both the fans and the media ...

I really was not expecting much this season but did kind of hope that we could get Cousins signed to a long term deal and begin to get things together defensively while we found ourselves a really good young QB to take over, as the rest of the roster came together

it seemed like the FO had a game plan ... and now this ...

Joe Banner‏Verified account @JoeBanner13 38m38 minutes ago

Cousins says, without long term deal wants to be traded. He is actually saying I am willing to stay if I have long term deal. Opens the door

Joe Banner‏Verified account @JoeBanner13 36m36 minutes ago

Cousins most recent comments are hopeful for Redskins. Some are mistakenly reading it the other way.

If this is actually the case, I agree with Cousins, and I'm glad he finally put his cards on the table. I don't want him to play another season on the tag either. Work out a long term deal or trade him. Enough with the BS.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Next bit of stupid from the Redskins Front Office:

Chris Mortensen‏Verified account @mortreport

Kirk Cousins appealed personally to owner Dan Snyder for a trade but was basically told not to get his hopes up, per sources.

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And this folks is why we are a laughing stock. Danny laughs all the way to the bank using the good times and the Redskins Hall of Fame as a device to make more money. I wonder what he will do next, use Sean Taylor's death anniversary this year to boot? He has no scruples and is a nasty pathetic little man. JKC is turning over in his grave.

riggofan wrote:

Joe Banner‏Verified account @JoeBanner13 38m38 minutes ago
Cousins says, without long term deal he wants to be traded. He is actually saying I am willing to stay if I have long term deal. Opens the door

Joe Banner‏Verified account @JoeBanner13 36m36 minutes ago
Cousins most recent comments are hopeful for Redskins. Some are mistakenly reading it the other way.

If this is actually the case, I agree with Cousins, and I'm glad he finally put his cards on the table.
I don't want him to play another season on the tag either. Work out a long term deal or trade him. Enough with the BS.

I agree that the Redskins should sign Cousins to a long term deal and that they definitely do not want him playing a year and then leaving

I do not think that there's even a slight chance that Kirk Cousins will sign a long term deal with the Redskins and these bozos

There is no way that Kirk Cousins and his advisors want to be a part of all this - no way

SkinsJock wrote:I do not think that there's even a slight chance that Kirk Cousins will sign a long term deal with the Redskins and these bozos

There is no way that Kirk Cousins and his advisors want to be a part of all this - no way

You don't think if the team offers him $100m guaranteed and $25m/yr or whatever that there is "even a slight chance" he signs? I have no idea if the team will be that aggressive, but I think Cousins would sign that deal immediately.

Honestly, given the current s*** show in progress, I actually feel like the team is more likely to try to get that deal done. Sort of like the recent Gruden extension. Signing Kir k is pretty much the only thing that can quiet things down at this point.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I do not think that there's even a slight chance that Kirk Cousins will sign a long term deal with the Redskins and these bozos
There is no way that Kirk Cousins and his advisors want to be a part of all this - no way

You don't think if the team offers him $100m guaranteed and $25m/yr or whatever that there is "even a slight chance" he signs? I have no idea if the team will be that aggressive, but I think Cousins would sign that deal immediately.

Honestly, given the current s*** show in progress, I actually feel like the team is more likely to try to get that deal done. Sort of like the recent Gruden extension. Signing Kirk is pretty much the only thing that can quiet things down at this point.

NO! I just can't see these guys doing that - they are letting 2 WRs go that had over 1,000 yards - they have no clue

I really don't think that Cousins advisors will want him here either for any amount of money

this has got "trade" written all over it - then again, that's the sensible thing to do

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I do not think that there's even a slight chance that Kirk Cousins will sign a long term deal with the Redskins and these bozos

There is no way that Kirk Cousins and his advisors want to be a part of all this - no way

You don't think if the team offers him $100m guaranteed and $25m/yr or whatever that there is "even a slight chance" he signs? I have no idea if the team will be that aggressive, but I think Cousins would sign that deal immediately.

Honestly, given the current s*** show in progress, I actually feel like the team is more likely to try to get that deal done. Sort of like the recent Gruden extension. Signing Kir k is pretty much the only thing that can quiet things down at this point.

I'm not so sure he would?? I'm quite sure his agent knows his worth; it's not too hard to gage when you consider what a few average QB with less sample sizes than Kirk got last year…you think Kirk would stay here for a few million more a year? We know this, he doesn't want to play here this year for 24 mil!

Scot was the last semblance of hope that I had for this franchise.

It has been a while since I posted on here. I just cannot do it any more. After living in Philly for 12 years and now North Jersey for the last 4 it takes all my effort to raise my children as Skins fans. Why? Why should I put in the effort? Why should I make them care about a franchise that does not care back? My son loves football but even at 11 years old he shakes his head at me when I get too excited about the Skins. It is just a mess and a travesty.

I am going to make a real effort to no longer be a fan. I do not think it will really be possible but I will start slow. For example, I will not go to a bar to watch the game anymore. Instead, if it is on national TV great, if not, I will watch something else. Such a mess

riggofan wrote:You don't think if the team offers him $100m guaranteed and $25m/yr or whatever that there is "even a slight chance" he signs? I have no idea if the team will be that aggressive, but I think Cousins would sign that deal immediately.

I think they would have to go $27MM a year with $90MM guaranteed to get Cousins to even look back as he walks out the door.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

According to “a source with knowledge of the Redskins’ decision,” Cousins’ camp offered the Redskins a “three-year deal last February worth $19.5 [million] a year with significant guarantees.” That offer was still on the table in July.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/03/ ... sins-deal/

Depressing

I trusted Scot, never trusted Dan, and don't trust Bruce.

DarthMonk wrote:I trusted Scot, never trusted Dan, and don't trust Bruce.

+1. I still trust Scot.