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SkinsJock wrote:Gruden has been better but CLL's right - we should be seeing more from this offense

You know our first two drives on Sunday we went 15 plays, 80 yards 8:30 minutes time of possession, TD and then 8 plays, 93 yards 3:20 minutes, TD, right?

They also did this with the guy you've told us all season long is just "a good backup" and an interception machine.

I'd like to see more out of the offense too. But maybe fans need to temper their expectations a bit and realize that the opposing team shows up to play on Sunday as well. We're a better team this year. Enjoy the season.

My estimation of Kirk Cousins is meaningless - far more knowledgeable people than me AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS SEASON considered him to be prone to throwing interceptions - I think he's improved but that impression is most likely wrong because I don't have a clue

there are still media types who feel that Cousins turns the ball over too much and I think that Gruden is too cautious with him ...

a few more games with these 2 and we'll see what Scot thinks .... if it causes OldSchool to leave that's an added bonus

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Gruden has been better but CLL's right - we should be seeing more from this offense

You know our first two drives on Sunday we went 15 plays, 80 yards 8:30 minutes time of possession, TD and then 8 plays, 93 yards 3:20 minutes, TD, right?

Out of 21+ turnovers created by our injury ravaged defense, we've only scored twice as a result... That's pitiful. The lack of adjustments during the Dallas game was pitiful. Damn the 1st quarter of a game, play consistently throughout the entirety of the game. You won't score every time. nobody rational is expecting that. But break your tendencies, stop running so predictably on first day. Run some different formations that dont tip your hat to the defense.

SkinsJock wrote:My estimation of Kirk Cousins is meaningless

Its not meaningless, man. Its just an opinion. And people were right at the beginning of the season to say that Cousins was prone to interceptions, because he was.

Cousins seems like he's been proving a lot of people wrong this year. I don't see any reason why Gruden can't or won't do the same.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Out of 21+ turnovers created by our injury ravaged defense, we've only scored twice as a result... That's pitiful. The lack of adjustments during the Dallas game was pitiful. Damn the 1st quarter of a game, play consistently throughout the entirety of the game. You won't score every time. nobody rational is expecting that. But break your tendencies, stop running so predictably on first day. Run some different formations that dont tip your hat to the defense.

Good point. I can't believe none of the coaches have thought of this stuff. Kinda crazy.

They just need to get you a headset, man. Fix that *sh$t*, CLL!

I am not overboard about Kirk Cousins like some here but I do think that he's improved a lot this season and I hope he stays here - I have faith that Scot and the FO will put together a fair deal to both parties to keep him here

I thought that we'd see more offensively from Gruden this season - the game against the pukes pissed me off

we are improved and we are a lot better than many including me expected and Jay Gruden gets credit for that - fact remains he could have and should have done better and that is why I think that Scot will let him go, providing, of course that Scot has someone in mind to take over here

saying it's not fair is BS - this isn't about being fair, it's about winning games and we lost a couple of games we could have won - we don't value coaches or players based on what they've done, what they are going to do is all that's important - Gruden has a few games left to show that he should be kept here - winning the NFC East is a good thing but it will not keep him here if Scot thinks he can bring in someone better

riggofan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Out of 21+ turnovers created by our injury ravaged defense, we've only scored twice as a result... That's pitiful. The lack of adjustments during the Dallas game was pitiful. Damn the 1st quarter of a game, play consistently throughout the entirety of the game. You won't score every time. nobody rational is expecting that. But break your tendencies, stop running so predictably on first down. Run some different formations that don't tip your hat to the defense.

Good point. I can't believe none of the coaches have thought of this stuff. Kinda crazy.

that's just it - the coaches do know this - they are not doing a good job in 'fixing' it - Jay Gruden is 'responsible' for that

One of the best things about being an NFL fan is that the league is so unpredictable that you can go into every season thinking maybe this could be the year that your favorite team wins it all. Except in Washington, where realism trumps optimism.

That’s the word from Washington General Manager Scot McCloughan, who says he’s well aware that his team is undergoing a rebuilding process that won’t be finished this season.

“You know what, we’re not gonna be the best team out there this year,” McCloughan told SiriusXM NFL Radio, via the Washington Post. “But the one thing that I emphasized — and I told them in the opening meeting — was listen, I want us to compete every day: on the field and off the field. Find a way to make yourself a better player, and a better person. And I think we’ve done that so far. We’ve got a ways to go, but we’re going in the right direction. We’re taking small steps; we’re going in the right direction.”

Washington G.M.: “We’re not gonna be the best team”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... best-team/

Sorry man, but you have no idea what Scot McCloughan's expectations are of the team or the coach this year. He's taken a realistic approach to this team since day one.

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Out of 21+ turnovers created by our injury ravaged defense, we've only scored twice as a result... That's pitiful. The lack of adjustments during the Dallas game was pitiful. Damn the 1st quarter of a game, play consistently throughout the entirety of the game. You won't score every time. nobody rational is expecting that. But break your tendencies, stop running so predictably on first down. Run some different formations that don't tip your hat to the defense.

Good point. I can't believe none of the coaches have thought of this stuff. Kinda crazy.

that's just it - the coaches do know this - they are not doing a good job in 'fixing' it - Jay Gruden is 'responsible' for that

Man, that's so weird. Probably some other guy would do better. I think it sounds like what we really need is a coach who can come in here in one season and not just fix some of our problems, but fix ALL of our issues immediately.

Also, no bad games or losses ever. Good coaches don't lose ever.

riggofan wrote:I think it sounds like what we really need is a coach who can come in here in one season and not just fix some of our problems, but fix ALL of our issues immediately.

Also, no bad games or losses ever. Good coaches don't lose ever.

Or forum members who can debate their stance without resorting to condescension because they have nothing meaningful to contribute to the discussion. Add that to the list while you're collecting bullet points.

doing the same thing over and over and expecting things to get better is good coaching?

when your main job is to help the offense and you're not taking advantage of turnovers, you're not here for long - trust me on this

StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't think it's fair to judge Gruden on anything other than this season going forward...this is his first season as a head coach with a real, seemingly competent general manager.

that's your opinion

IMO Jay Gruden has done a good job and if that's the requirement, he'll be back - I feel that Scot will look at what Jay Gruden's done and make a decision on what's best for this franchise going forward not on what he's done the past 2 seasons

Jay Gruden was an OC - how come the offense is so predictable - how come he has not 'adjusted' or used his best 11 players

winning the NFC East is not so much because of Jay Gruden ....

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

riggofan wrote:I think it sounds like what we really need is a coach who can come in here in one season and not just fix some of our problems, but fix ALL of our issues immediately.

Also, no bad games or losses ever. Good coaches don't lose ever.

Or forum members who can debate their stance without resorting to condescension because they have nothing meaningful to contribute to the discussion. Add that to the list while you're collecting bullet points.

Very meaningful addition to the discussion. Thanks.

SkinsJock wrote:doing the same thing over and over and expecting things to get better is good coaching?

You should look up the word "practice" in the dictionary:

perform (an activity) or exercise (a skill) repeatedly or regularly in order to improve or maintain one's proficiency.

Kind of sounds like something coaches do. In my personal experience, players and teams usually aren't good at certain things on day one, but get better after doing things repeatedly. And yes that is called good coaching.

SkinsJock wrote:when your main job is to help the offense and you're not taking advantage of turnovers, you're not here for long - trust me on this

When you win more games this year than you did last year, you keep your job.

I'll be happy to take a bet on this one, SkinsJock. What do you say? If Gruden is back in 2016, you change your avatar to this until next June:

Chris Luva Luva wrote: Or forum members who can debate their stance without resorting to condescension because they have nothing meaningful to contribute to the discussion. Add that to the list while you're collecting bullet points.

Or forum members that just don't reply to posts that disprove their assertions.....

why would I want that? PLUS, I don't make bets where the risk is not worth the reward ...


IMO we have 2 key members of the franchise that may very well not be back in 2016 and both IMO have done their jobs well

Jay Gruden may not be back despite winning the NFC East and helping make the product on the field better than in 2014

Kirk Cousins may not be back because he wants more money than the FO thinks he's worth

hopefully both return, but ... IMO things will not be significantly worse here if they do not ...

it's the same old Redskins refrain "wait until next year ..." - we have issues and need at least 1 more season to address them

SkinsJock wrote:Kirk Cousins may not be back because he wants more money than the FO thinks he's worth

Zero chance Cousins is not back, even if they have to Franchise tag him. ZERO.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Kirk Cousins may not be back because he wants more money than the FO thinks he's worth

Zero chance Cousins is not back, even if they have to Franchise tag him. ZERO.

I agree - I really think the FO will try and get a deal in place and not go that route

there is no doubt that Cousins is the best option available

SkinsJock wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Kirk Cousins may not be back because he wants more money than the FO thinks he's worth

Zero chance Cousins is not back, even if they have to Franchise tag him. ZERO.

I agree - I really think the FO will try and get a deal in place and not go that route

WTF????

Did you just disagree with YOURSELF?????

I think the FO tries to get a deal done and Cousins makes it apparent he wants a lot more - we can franchise tag him but I wonder if they will ...

markshark84 wrote:WTF????

Did you just disagree with YOURSELF?????

I find it's a lot easier 'disagreeing' with myself than trying to make any sense out of a lot of things that are posted here ...

many here have selective interpretations on what is posted and only see what they want to 'see'

markshark84 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote: Or forum members who can debate their stance without resorting to condescension because they have nothing meaningful to contribute to the discussion. Add that to the list while you're collecting bullet points.

Or forum members that just don't reply to posts that disprove their assertions.....

Please show me where the quoted post factually or constructively disproved anything. Additionally, find one post in this entire thread that belongs to me where I didn't provide constructive and sincere discussion. Thanks.

markshark84 wrote:WTF????

Did you just disagree with YOURSELF?????

It used to be laughable, but not it's just become embarrassing. It's odd how quickly he contradicts himself.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Please show me where the quoted post factually or constructively disproved anything. Additionally, find one post in this entire thread that belongs to me where I didn't provide constructive and sincere discussion. Thanks.

Give me a freaking break, man. I was responding specifically to THIS comment from SkinsJock: "they are not doing a good job in 'fixing' it - Jay Gruden is 'responsible' for that".

What exactly would you have me constructively disprove?

I thought it was a stupid comment and I replied with some snark. I've posted plenty of sincere and constructive comments and backed them up with facts throughout this thread. I'm sorry if my reply was offensive to you.

riggofan wrote:I thought it was a stupid comment and I replied with some snark. I've posted plenty of sincere and constructive comments and backed them up with facts throughout this thread. I'm sorry if my reply was offensive to you.

You have, and your reply didn't offend me. I simply quipped back because I was quoted in your response and I ASSumed you were talking to me.

Additionally, the message you just quoted was for Mark who rode in on his white horse to save you.