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hitmandm wrote:A win is a win. But C'mon. We were at home, against the team with the top pick in the NFL draft last year because they were the worst team in the league. We had to come from behind against a team that destroyed themselves with penalties. And they have a rookie QB. And we had to come from behind and win in our own house. That's not good.

This game says nothing other than we are 1 pt at home better than the worst team in the league last year. Gruden is still over his head. Kirk is still a backup.

Enjoy the win, but don't over react and say this is Kirk progressing or Gruden becoming competent. We barely beat the worst team in the league last year with a rookie QB at the helm in our own house.


Without arguing any of the above, does RGIII bring the team back from that deficit?


You do not know that he doesn't. He's only had 7 starts in Gruden's team so no one knows. Let's talk facts- Does Kirk Cosuins take an inferior team to the playoffs? Rg3 did. That's a fact.
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hitmandm wrote:A win is a win. But C'mon. We were at home, against the team with the top pick in the NFL draft last year because they were the worst team in the league. We had to come from behind against a team that destroyed themselves with penalties. And they have a rookie QB. And we had to come from behind and win in our own house. That's not good.

This game says nothing other than we are 1 pt at home better than the worst team in the league last year. Gruden is still over his head. Kirk is still a backup.

Enjoy the win, but don't over react and say this is Kirk progressing or Gruden becoming competent. We barely beat the worst team in the league last year with a rookie QB at the helm in our own house.

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Why would someone throw water on our party today? Really? The biggest comeback ever?

Our Defense hasn't been stellar the past few weeks -- especially against the run! Our run game has stunk too. Hell, our Special Teams has been our best unit!!!

Lets go with Kirk this year, assess his ability to be our starter, after all 16 games. If he isn't able to string good games together, get another qb in draft.

Honestly, we can't play RGIII this year, with that contract stipulation in place. I was a big supporter of RGIII too but I will admit he held ball too long and way too much drama surrounded him...time to quit worrying about what we gave up for him and move on.

I believe patience is key here -- keep Gruden.
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It's not water. It's reality.

Coming back to beat the team that earned the #1 overall pick in the draft the previous year by 1 point at home does not change the opinion that Gruden is in over his head and Cousins is just a very good back-up QB.

Yes...if we play the worst team in the league over and over at home, we might have a future.

Gruden and Cousins is not the answer. Beating Tampa Bay and its Rookie QB by 1 point at home doesn't change that. No matter how much Gus Frerotte/Jim Zorn hope the typical Redskin fan can muster and put in their corner, those two will never be the answer.
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hitmandm wrote:It's not water. It's reality.

Coming back to beat the team that earned the #1 overall pick in the draft the previous year by 1 point at home does not change the opinion that Gruden is in over his head and Cousins is just a very good back-up QB.

Yes...if we play the worst team in the league over and over at home, we might have a future.

Gruden and Cousins is not the answer. Beating Tampa Bay and its Rookie QB by 1 point at home doesn't change that. No matter how much Gus Frerotte/Jim Zorn hope the typical Redskin fan can muster and put in their corner, those two will never be the answer.

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hitmandm wrote:
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
hitmandm wrote:A win is a win. But C'mon. We were at home, against the team with the top pick in the NFL draft last year because they were the worst team in the league. We had to come from behind against a team that destroyed themselves with penalties. And they have a rookie QB. And we had to come from behind and win in our own house. That's not good.

This game says nothing other than we are 1 pt at home better than the worst team in the league last year. Gruden is still over his head. Kirk is still a backup.

Enjoy the win, but don't over react and say this is Kirk progressing or Gruden becoming competent. We barely beat the worst team in the league last year with a rookie QB at the helm in our own house.


Without arguing any of the above, does RGIII bring the team back from that deficit?


You do not know that he doesn't. He's only had 7 starts in Gruden's team so no one knows. Let's talk facts- Does Kirk Cosuins take an inferior team to the playoffs? Rg3 did. That's a fact.

We do know that this team hasn't in the past few years...whoever the QB was. One of the marks of a good team is that they beat teams there're suppose to beat even when they play bad...when was the last time the Skins did that? Your right we beat a bad team, who did all the things you said plus made a bad call on third and gaol from the one...but we won...as you say this game could mean nothing or it could be the game we point to a couple of years from now that was the culture changer...time will tell!!
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A huge takeaway from this game is that the team still believes in Gruden. If they didn't, they would've just mailed it in at 24-0. But they didn't. They continued to fight and got the win. I don't care if it was against a bad team...you're supposed to beat bad teams, no?
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:Before we start crowing can he please string together, I dunno, at least 2 good games in a row?


Not when the 2nd game is against New England. You heard it here first.


Everybody who is talking about consistency is 100% correct. Glad to see Cousins play so well yesterday, now show you can do it in back to back games.

We all know it will be a freaking miracle if we beat the Pats in two weeks. But Cousins can still go out there and not throw any dumb interceptions and show he can keep us in a tough game at least.
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hitmandm wrote:You do not know that he doesn't. He's only had 7 starts in Gruden's team so no one knows. Let's talk facts- Does Kirk Cosuins take an inferior team to the playoffs? Rg3 did. That's a fact.


You know what else is a fact? RG3 didn't do it alone. Cousins doesn't beat the Browns that season and doesn't finish off the game vs. the Ravens and there was no playoffs. Fact. Let me refresh your memory:

"Griffin went down during Washington's final drive of regulation Sunday, with the Redskins trailing by eight. Fellow rookie Kirk Cousins, who had played in only one other game this season, stepped in and hit Pierre Garcon for an 11-yard touchdown pass with 29 seconds remaining, then ran the quarterback draw for the 2-point conversion to tie the game."
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When can we start calling Kirk Captain Clutch?
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StorminMormon86 wrote:When can we start calling Kirk Captain Clutch?


As soon as some here stop calling him Captain Pick.
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:lol: Captain Clutch it is - now we have 2 weeks to get ready to take down the Patriots :lol:
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SkinsJock wrote::lol: Captain Clutch it is - now we have 2 weeks to get ready to take down the Patriots :lol:


That would indeed be clutch!
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:When can we start calling Kirk Captain Clutch?


As soon as some here stop calling him Captain Pick.


:lol: if he playes consistently for the majority if not the rest of the games
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hitmandm wrote:
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
hitmandm wrote:A win is a win. But C'mon. We were at home, against the team with the top pick in the NFL draft last year because they were the worst team in the league. We had to come from behind against a team that destroyed themselves with penalties. And they have a rookie QB. And we had to come from behind and win in our own house. That's not good.

This game says nothing other than we are 1 pt at home better than the worst team in the league last year. Gruden is still over his head. Kirk is still a backup.

Enjoy the win, but don't over react and say this is Kirk progressing or Gruden becoming competent. We barely beat the worst team in the league last year with a rookie QB at the helm in our own house.


Without arguing any of the above, does RGIII bring the team back from that deficit?



You do not know that he doesn't. He's only had 7 starts in Gruden's team so no one knows. Let's talk facts- Does Kirk Cosuins take an inferior team to the playoffs? Rg3 did. That's a fact.


Obviously you're clueless so let me help you remember. Griffin thinks so ssssslllllllooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwlllllyyyy he needs an 8 count to find his butt with both hands. Having Robert play quarterback in a WCO is paramount to sabotage. When he was injured in 2012 and lost his amazing lateral quickness he ceased to be intimidating to oncoming defenders which rendered him useless. In 2013 Robert started getting planted regularly by defenses before Detroit spread some mulch of him after what the 5th sack in first quarter? I forget some of details it was so ugly watching him stand behind the line clueless, helpless and pitiful waiting to be sacked again. Thankfully, he was able to mend from that injury. Griffin watches games in his track suit now because Daniel Snyder must believe it will be less embarrassing not to resign him in 2016 rather than to cut him and pick up a useful player on the wire in 2015.

As for Tampa Bay being a bad football team I agree but you seem to have forgotten Washington has been a very bad football team for many years also so any win is a good win and a step forward. A team refusing to quit down 24 in the first half and coming back to win is a huge win for bad football team trying to improve to mediocre. The road from awful to good runs thru mediocre and getting to mediocre would be a great accomplishment this season, maybe more than they'll manage but 3-4 is a great start!

When the inevitable separation finally occurs you and the other Griffin fanboys may need support groups to endure the separation. Maybe Robert can catch on in the Arena League. I don't think he's good enough to make a CFL roster but some Arena League owner might think Griffin could sell some tickets. So you got that going for you which is nice.......
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You do not know that he doesn't. He's only had 7 starts in Gruden's team so no one knows. Let's talk facts- Does Kirk Cosuins take an inferior team to the playoffs? Rg3 did. That's a fact.[/quote]

Obviously you're clueless so let me help you remember. Griffin thinks so ssssslllllllooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwlllllyyyy he needs an 8 count to find his butt with both hands. Having Robert play quarterback in a WCO is paramount to sabotage. When he was injured in 2012 and lost his amazing lateral quickness he ceased to be intimidating to oncoming defenders which rendered him useless. In 2013 Robert started getting planted regularly by defenses before Detroit spread some mulch of him after what the 5th sack in first quarter? I forget some of details it was so ugly watching him stand being the line clueless what to do and waiting to be sacked, helpless and pitiful. Thankfully, he was able to mend from that injury. Griffin watches games in his track suit now because Daniel Snyder must believe it will be less embarrassing to not to resign him in 2016 rather than to cut him and pick up a useful player on the wire in 2015.

When the inevitable separation finally occurs you and the other Griffin fanboys may need support groups to endure the separation. Maybe Robert can catch on in the Arena League. I don't think he's good enough to make a CFL roster but some Arena League owner might think Griffin could sell some tickets. So you got that going for you which is nice.......[/quote]

Old school. I think you are the one that is clueless. You offer very little in most arguements. Even you opinions are based in nonsense. I'm cool with people being opinionated, but your utter lack of any logic is surprising.
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Old school. I think you are the one that is clueless. You offer very little in most arguements. Even you opinions are based in nonsense. I'm cool with people being opinionated, but your utter lack of any logic is surprising. [/quote]

You've seen Kirk Cousins operate smoothly behind the Redskin line after watching Griffin get drubbed in 2013, 2014 and 2015 when he got seriously hurt again. The excuse Griffin fans use to make to explain Cousins being able to run the offense quickly was Kirk was playing against the second string, ignoring the fact that his decision making skills was independent of playing with the first or second string. Cousins is SMART enough to read the field, understand the offense and pull the trigger. Robert doesn't process the spatial information on the field with the playbook in his head fast enough. Griffin just couldn't figure it out even when two coaching regimes invested all the starter reps trying to turn from a sows ear into a silk purse. Cousins has the ability that Griffin clearly lacks. Cousins is far more gifted.

Will Cousins continue to grow and develop into a 10 year starter? I don't know but All good Redskin fans should hope so and the high draft choices are invested in lineman and playmakers not squandered on another quarterback lottery. Think of the team we would be watching today if the Skins had spent those 3 first round and 1 second round picks on good lineman instead wasting them on Griffin who is an epic bust.
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Why are we still talking about a 3rd string inactive quarterback?
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Why are we still talking about a 3rd string inactive quarterback?


Because he is next years starting QB when Jay Gruden gets fired and Cousins takes his rightful place as a backup QB.

I love Cousins- as a back up. He is a great Redskin backup QB who can win the easy ones but cannot deliver on a consistent basis. He has class, smarts and a team attitude. He just has a noodle arm, can really only throw it within 10 yds of the line of scrimmage and throws picks like no other QB in the league. This is just Gus Frerotte all over again.
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Old school. I think you are the one that is clueless. You offer very little in most arguements. Even you opinions are based in nonsense. I'm cool with people being opinionated, but your utter lack of any logic is surprising. [/quote]

You've seen Kirk Cousins operate smoothly behind the Redskin line after watching Griffin get drubbed in 2013, 2014 and 2015 when he got seriously hurt again. The excuse Griffin fans use to make to explain Cousins being able to run the offense quickly was Kirk was playing against the second string, ignoring the fact that his decision making skills was independent of playing with the first or second string. Cousins is SMART enough to read the field, understand the offense and pull the trigger. Robert doesn't process the spatial information on the field with the playbook in his head fast enough. Griffin just couldn't figure it out even when two coaching regimes invested all the starter reps trying to turn from a sows ear into a silk purse. Cousins has the ability that Griffin clearly lacks. Cousins is far more gifted.

Will Cousins continue to grow and develop into a 10 year starter? I don't know but All good Redskin fans should hope so and the high draft choices are invested in lineman and playmakers not squandered on another quarterback lottery. Think of the team we would be watching today if the Skins had spent those 3 first round and 1 second round picks on good lineman instead wasting them on Griffin who is an epic bust.[/quote]


Until last game, Kirk Cousins has had a lower passer rating than Griffin even if you took out his 2012 ROY campaign. Cousins does not look smoother with his picks and noodle arm throws. No one in the league throws picks like Kirk does consistently for multiple seasons. Griffin was given 7 starts with Gruden compared with 11 for Kirk...and a majority of Kirk's starts are with a much better team than RG3 ever had.

Your "clearly" and "obviously" are not rooted in anything but Gruden pressers and misinformed sentiment in your own mind.

Look at Kirks pick percentage, his passing chart that shows he cannot pass accurately past 10 years and his QB rating. These things can be easily googled. None of those things suggest you are correct in your opinion. Why you are ready to write off a 25 year old OROY QB who was one of two QBs to lead the Redskins to a postseason in 20 years? Its because you got suckered by egomianiacal coaches like Shanny and Gruden who are my-way-or-the-highway types. Even Ryan Clark- a former Redskin player and now analyst says as much about Gruden. What about London Fletcher? All guys who played with RG3 and/or Gruden.

You have a right to your opinion but back up your statements with other than weak stuff like" its obvious Kirk is smoother" especially when you are calling people clueless. It makes you look clueless and a bit homerish-which I don't think actually. Kirk engineered a come from behind win at home against the worst team in the league. It's only a big deal because he is a backup QB.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Why are we still talking about a 3rd string inactive quarterback?


Because he's the most expensive draft bust in NFL history and because he's Black. If was a White 3rd string inactive bust like Ryan Leaf, Rick Mirer, Jack Trudeau, Joey Harrington, Todd Marinovich, Mike Phipps, Todd Avellini, David Carr, Tim Couch, etc. he'd already be old news.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:Why are we still talking about a 3rd string inactive quarterback?


Because he's the most expensive draft bust in NFL history and because he's Black. If was a White 3rd string inactive bust like Ryan Leaf, Rick Mirer, Jack Trudeau, Joey Harrington, Todd Marinovich, Mike Phipps, Todd Avellini, David Carr, Tim Couch, etc. he'd already be old news.


RG3 took us to the playoffs and was up 14-0 against the eventual SB champs, until he got hurt. He was 2012 OROY. He had a legendary season.

ACLs usually take 2 years. Why we don't want to give him that is beyond me. I bet you loved Gus Frerotte and Jim Zorn.

Some say on ESPN that if was White, he would still be playing. Hard to argue how Gruden treats them differently...
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Good analysis on Kirk the dink passing pick machine.

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hitmandm wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:Why are we still talking about a 3rd string inactive quarterback?


Because he is next years starting QB when Jay Gruden gets fired and Cousins takes his rightful place as a backup QB.

I love Cousins- as a back up. He is a great Redskin backup QB who can win the easy ones but cannot deliver on a consistent basis. He has class, smarts and a team attitude. He just has a noodle arm, can really only throw it within 10 yds of the line of scrimmage and throws picks like no other QB in the league. This is just Gus Frerotte all over again.

Sorry but Cousins wil not resign to be a backup in Washington....
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:Why are we still talking about a 3rd string inactive quarterback?


Because he's the most expensive draft bust in NFL history and because he's Black. If was a White 3rd string inactive bust like Ryan Leaf, Rick Mirer, Jack Trudeau, Joey Harrington, Todd Marinovich, Mike Phipps, Todd Avellini, David Carr, Tim Couch, etc. he'd already be old news.

Woah, no need to bring race into it. If Manziel was drafted the same way as Griffin (same number of draft picks, draft position, etc.) there would be murmurs for him to start too.
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