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riggofan wrote:Funny, anybody anybody else catch Mike & Mike this morning discussing this? Both Mikes and Herm Edwards spent about 10 minutes talking about why the Browns should make a trade for Cousins. Use their first two picks on Sammy Watkins and maybe some o-line help and trade for a solid QB who knows Kyle's system.

Guess we'll see. Assuming Kyle believes in Cousins, I think that scenario makes WAY more sense than bringing in a high draft pick rookie QB who hasn't played a down in the NFL. But drafting Johnny Manziel is immediate gratification for the Cleveland fans.

I'll be happy either way, but it will be interesting to see what happens tonight.

riggofan wrote:Soooooo.... Kirk Cousins possibly joining Kyle in Cleveland? What do you think?

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:Soooooo.... Kirk Cousins possibly joining Kyle in Cleveland? What do you think?

It's coming down to the wire I still think that Cleveland will not make a trade for him + I doubt we let him go for a 3rd round pick

we shall see

SkinsJock wrote:I think we get the best value by not letting Cousins go unless it's a top 50 pick
or
we wait and see what happens after the draft and what we might get for him ...

I do not think that having Cousins as our #2 QB on opening day is a bad thing at all

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:NFL app reports Cousins is creating quite a buzz and "teams" are looking at him...
I think after the first round is over the font office will be busy taking offers for Cousins and possible offers to trade back. I think we will have a busy war room especially for not having a first round pick lol

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:NFL app reports Cousins is creating quite a buzz and "teams" are looking at him...
I think after the first round is over the font office will be busy taking offers for Cousins and possible offers to trade back. I think we will have a busy war room especially for not having a first round pick lol

From what I saw, no one was hinting at a high pick though, they were all thinking mid round. I don't get why we would do that or anyone would think we would.

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:NFL app reports Cousins is creating quite a buzz and "teams" are looking at him...
I think after the first round is over the font office will be busy taking offers for Cousins and possible offers to trade back. I think we will have a busy war room especially for not having a first round pick lol

From what I saw, no one was hinting at a high pick though, they were all thinking mid round. I don't get why we would do that or anyone would think we would.

Really. I can't believe they think we would trade him for a 4th rounder. That's what we paid when he hadn't played a down in the NFL. Now he has a couple of seasons, and several starts under his belt. smh

riggofan wrote:Soooooo.... Kirk Cousins possibly joining Kyle in Cleveland? What do you think?

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:Soooooo.... Kirk Cousins possibly joining Kyle in Cleveland? What do you think?

I never liked this idea ... why would you trade a good back up QB?

and

the media were completely off base about Cleveland and what they might do ...

so much BS ....

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:Soooooo.... Kirk Cousins possibly joining Kyle in Cleveland? What do you think?

I never liked this idea ... why would you trade a good back up QB?

and

the media were completely off base about Cleveland and what they might do ...

so much BS ....

Ya no. No one knows what was discussed in the war room so it's off base to assume it was off base.

Nevertheless the realistic possibility is still a possibility. Anyone who thinks Johnny football is the second coming of Tom Brady is seriously tripping. His cockyness will likely end him up on the IR before seasons end at which point this thread will be resurrected- just for you!

Congrats on being right- though no one in this thread was wrong either Lmmfao

OldSchool wrote:I am surprised to see you of all people speak unfavorably of Johnny Manziel, I expected you to be a Manziel fan since Johnny Football is so similar to your Demigod RG3Firsts1Second. I read a NE Patriot scouting report where they compared him favorably to RG3Firsts1Second, so it's not just me who thinks Manziel is a lesser RG3Firsts1Second. He'll sell tickets and jerseys in Cleveland like the excitement here in 2012 and I agree with you he's going to get hurt running around just like Backyard Bob did. Kyle Shanny is stuck with another one. In Cleveland's defense their Manziel sideshow only cost the 1 first round pick.

Johnny Manziel Scouting Report (5-11, 207)

Strengths:
Running ability
Play-maker
Gunslinger attitude
Amazing instincts
Always seems a step ahead of the defense
Throws a good deep ball
Great at throwing on the run
Can make all the NFL throws
Dangerous threat on the ground
Difficult to sack
Good arm strength
Athletic
Ready to play immediately
Special
Upside

Weaknesses:
Pocket passing
Very short for the position
Lacks pocket presence
Needs to improve field vision
Has to develop ability to work through progressions
Runs, scrambles when he doesn't have to
Makes some dumb throws
Can play too reckless
Needs to improve accuracy, ball placement
Lacks size
Durability
Sidearms some throws
Off-the-field concerns
Focus on football
Likes to party; celebrity lifestyle


Robert Griffin Scouting Report (6-2, 220)

Strengths:
Great arm strength
Quick release
Accurate thrower
Smart; protects the football
Good field vision
Extremely mobile with scrambling ability
Very intelligent
Proven leader; passion for the game
Winner at collegiate level
Experienced 3-year starter
Clutch performer who plays at his best in crunch time
Good teammate without an ego
Plays with swagger
Opens up mismatches for teammates with dual-threat nature
High-character individual

Weaknesses:
Height is a touch short
Could use some more bulk to handle hitting
Rarely played against a top defense
Did not play in a pro-style offense
Rarely took snaps from under center

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:Soooooo.... Kirk Cousins possibly joining Kyle in Cleveland? What do you think?

I never liked this idea ... why would you trade a good back up QB?

and

the media were completely off base about Cleveland and what they might do ...

so much BS ....

Just want to reiterate, Browns were rebuffed by Skins on Kirk Cousins offer. All parties (incl. RG3) would welcome trade, except Bruce Allen

Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen 1h

Joined now by @JasonLaCanfora to shed some light on the #Redskins and #Browns trade talks and why the Cousins deal wasn't made. Tune in!

Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen 1h

.@JasonLaCanfora tells us the offer the Browns were offering a 4th rounder for Kirk Cousins. I wouldn't trade Kirk Cousins for a 4th either.

The Kirk Cousins trade speculation won't die.

The Washington Redskins' backup quarterback drew interest from several teams during the 2014 NFL Draft, but none of the offers tempted general manager Bruce Allen to part with his Robert Griffin III insurance.

The Cleveland Browns were one of the interested parties, as general manager Ray Farmer attempted to reunite Cousins with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan.

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports the Browns were rebuffed in their offer of a fourth-round pick in exchange for Cousins.

Former Redskins tight end and current WTEM-AM Washington radio broadcaster Chris C00ley corroborates La Canfora's account, adding that Allen would "absolutely" have pulled the trigger had the Browns upped the offer to a second-round pick.

Those phone calls presumably occurred before the Browns traded up for Johnny Manziel at No. 22 overall.

With Shanahan set to tutor Manziel in Cleveland, Cousins has missed out on his best opportunity to get out from under RGIII's shadow in the nation's capital.

Chris Russell (@Russellmania980)
5/13/14, 6:54 PM
Chris C00ley on #Redskins trade talks 4 Kirk "There was a potential Cousins trade in place. They weren't going to trade Cousins for a 4th."