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Kilmer72 wrote:People need to understand that Vinny knows more than anyone else on any football matters. This is the one instance that I say if everyone says your wrong then you are right. If all teams followed Vinny's way then, all would be on equal ground. Talk about NFL parody.

parity or parody - the NFL wants parity but what we have here is a parody

Vinny's opinion or views on anything to do with this franchise mean squat to me

the only thing I 'need to understand' about that little scumbag is that he did a horrible job while he was with the Redskins

riggofan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Father son rift! O well.. couldn't hurt at this point. Probably is the ACTUAL root of this whole mess... #firemike

Man, I saw that interview with Kyle yesterday on tv. Very surprising! Not just that he wanted to stick with RGII, but that he say that in public.

Part of that interview it gets pointed out that Kyle was a pretty successful OC in Houston when he left to join his dad. He says he felt he would have regretted it if he'd missed the opportunity to work with his father. People overlook and dismiss that a lot around DC.

riggofan I don't think that we overlook nor dismiss that he was the OC at Houston prior to coming here, what I have always said was that offense was MORE balanced and was actually ranked better after he left Houston, Kyle's knock there too was his inability to stay with running the ball and wanting to pass all the time. I would also think that perhaps the apparent rift between father and son is way overdue, and maybe Kyle isn't as bad or arrogant as first thought, or maybe this is just a diversion that should Mike walk this is a device to have Kyle step in as interim HC or at least be able to apply for the hopefully soon to be vacant position...... I want them all fired, but maybe Kyle might do better being younger and hungrier than his dad if given the chance, his first step would be who he hires for a staff and it better not be a Jim or a Bob or a Keith on it!!!

IF change is taking place at the top here …

Dan Snyder needs to get together with his NFL people and identify who is going to be THE GM
put that guy in place and let things continue here as they have since Mike came in



I have changed my opinion of Kyle recently - I do not think he's ready to be a HC but … the most important facet about Kyle is how he and Robert get along

Robert is the franchise QB here (no matter what Kirk does) and if he and Kyle really trust each other that is VERY important

Irn-Bru wrote:Does Shanahan have any story you can call to our attention that can compete with that level of dishonesty? I don't have one. So yes, I do cut him a little more slack right now and don't assume the worst: I don't assume he must be the leak, I don't assume his benching Griffin is some kind of "all in" poker play, etc. It's too easy to turn on Shanahan because he's been unsuccessful this year and is likely out the door in a few weeks. I am open to being corrected, but I just don't see the rat everyone keeps talking about.

Shanahan has a well documented history of lying. From being investigated by the league for lying about injuries in Denver, to basically admitting he was lying about why they benched McNabb, to the whole involvement of Dr. Andrews and his "clearance" of RG3 to return to the playoff game last year. Heck, in his most recent press conference he self admitted he isn't very truthful.



Snyder is a complete schmuck, I agree. But Shanahan is no paragon of virtue.

gotta love the 'reports' …

first we heard that "RG3 is angry at not being allowed to play" … etc - another reporter really needed to add "RG3 is extremely angry at not being allowed to play" …

now from Mike Florio …

Per a source close to Griffin, the second-year quarterback is disappointed but not angry.

“Where they got that I don’t know,” the source said of the report that surfaced Thursday night on NFL Network. “No competitor would be happy but to say he’s angry makes for good TV, I guess.”

The source added that Griffin has “accepted the decision,” even though Griffin still wanted to play.

“He feels like he let his teammates down and he wanted to finish the season with them,” the source said. “Now he will just do it from the sideline and through practices.”

Well another thought is any news is good news, we have gone from Super Bowl winners in the offseason every year signing every past their prime free agent, to an over rated coach and son tandem, to now being the latest soap opera in the NFL. What other 3-10 team gets this amount of coverage? Daniel Snyder the marketing media genius strikes again. No one knows that's going on, or how it will end, without naming names sources mean nothing. Heck I have a source that says RGIII's wife was caught in Snyder's personal shower! I have another source that claims both Shanahan's share gerbils!! Again non sense and at times we all are eating it up. Too bad we can't be in the media spotlight for being a good team......Sad so very sad.....

DaSkinz Baby wrote:riggofan I don't think that we overlook nor dismiss that he was the OC at Houston prior to coming here, what I have always said was that offense was MORE balanced and was actually ranked better after he left Houston, Kyle's knock there too was his inability to stay with running the ball and wanting to pass all the time. I would also think that perhaps the apparent rift between father and son is way overdue, and maybe Kyle isn't as bad or arrogant as first thought, or maybe this is just a diversion that should Mike walk this is a device to have Kyle step in as interim HC or at least be able to apply for the hopefully soon to be vacant position......

I was kind of generalizing that about people in DC. I understand most posters here know the details. You get the impression from the average fan though that Mike called Kyle up out of his bedroom in the basement to help coach on Daddy's team. People always scream "nepotism!", but if my dad asks me to leave my job as the CTO at Apple to become the CTO at Microsoft... you know what I'm saying? My point was just that he left a pretty successful position in Houston to take this job here and had valid reasons for doing it.

I don't doubt what you're saying about run/pass balance on offense. He still had a pretty potent offense in Houston. And with Andre Johnson in his prime, I can't entirely blame him for passing a lot.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:What other 3-10 team gets this amount of coverage? Daniel Snyder the marketing media genius strikes again.

You're right! Give him his due, man. How many of you were planning to watch the Falcons-Skins game this weekend before all of this Cousins/RGIII stuff got thrown in the mix? lol. This is suddenly MUST WATCH TV!

^^ you're right - I can't wait …

I hope that everyone sees what great job Mike does as HC and Kyle gets a lot of credit for planning and calling a great game

also … that Kirk plays lights out against that Falcon defense and Jim Haslett's guys have a great day shutting down the 3-10 Falcones

this is a must watch game from a snow covered Northeast

PulpExposure wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Does Shanahan have any story you can call to our attention that can compete with that level of dishonesty? I don't have one. So yes, I do cut him a little more slack right now and don't assume the worst: I don't assume he must be the leak, I don't assume his benching Griffin is some kind of "all in" poker play, etc. It's too easy to turn on Shanahan because he's been unsuccessful this year and is likely out the door in a few weeks. I am open to being corrected, but I just don't see the rat everyone keeps talking about.

Shanahan has a well documented history of lying. From being investigated by the league for lying about injuries in Denver, to basically admitting he was lying about why they benched McNabb, to the whole involvement of Dr. Andrews and his "clearance" of RG3 to return to the playoff game last year. Heck, in his most recent press conference he self admitted he isn't very truthful.

Fair enough.

His line in the press conference this week is easily misinterpreted, though. I think his meaning was "I'm trying to tell you guys as much as I can, and I don't normally do that," though he used the word "honest." In context, he was explaining that he was being frank and revealing, which is normally something he avoids. I don't think he was admitting to outright lying to the press on a regular basis.

riggofan wrote:if my dad asks me to leave my job as the CTO at Apple to become the CTO at Microsoft...

Is your dad Bill Gates?

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:if my dad asks me to leave my job as the CTO at Apple to become the CTO at Microsoft...

Is your dad Bill Gates?

No, it is still 2008?

I seriously have to back away from the ledge. Who else here sits at works and day dreams about torturing this coaching staff? Do you know what I would give to tie Shanalobster down and pull every one of his teeth out and then use a red hot poker on him??? I think I hate this man as much as I hate Adolf Hitler, and that Jim Haslett and Keith Burns.....BOY OH BOY the thoughts.......

DaSkinz Baby wrote:I seriously have to back away from the ledge. Who else here sits at works and day dreams about torturing this coaching staff?
Do you know what I would give to tie Shanalobster down and pull every one of his teeth out and then use a red hot poker on him???
I think I hate this man as much as I hate Adolf Hitler, and that Jim Haslett and Keith Burns ….. BOY OH BOY the thoughts .......

easy there big boy - I really think that things are not near as bad as many are making you believe

just take a couple of deep breaths and … step back from the ledge … a little

I agree that Mike should be out of here and we'll be better for it but I'm not sure that should happen right now
let's let the season end and see what happens when Mike and Dan have a little chat about what is going to be best for Robert going forward - that is the key

Irn-Bru wrote:
Fair enough.

His line in the press conference this week is easily misinterpreted, though. I think his meaning was "I'm trying to tell you guys as much as I can, and I don't normally do that," though he used the word "honest." In context, he was explaining that he was being frank and revealing, which is normally something he avoids. I don't think he was admitting to outright lying to the press on a regular basis.

Yeah, it agree there. That was more facetious than anything.

I honestly could have answered your question/challenge by just pointing out all the stuff that was flying around after RG3's knee turned into spaghetti. Mike could have just come clean, but instead we got a different story at literally every press conference. It was crazy, and I was a bit surprised you didn't remember that.

I think his year off he didn't spend watching football. I think he did an internship at the Truth Ministry of North Korea*.


* not sure if that's an actual place, but it should be!

I heard it was Roberts cardiovascular endurance. He wasn't in game shape.

I think Kyle said what he did because he knows his father is gone next year and he's trying to save his job.

This will come as a bit of a surprise for some here …

it seems that Mike is kind of hoping that Kirk Cousins might play well enough to entice someone to give us a nice draft pick …

that does NOT sound like a HC who is not interested in helping this franchise …

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... round-pick

I'm sure that there are some that will spin this to show how wrong that thought is

I am sure Cousins will bring us a first round pick behind this offensive line.

Lets watch the game first. I think you will see Cousins do some things better until he gets knocked around a bit. Then you will see the same results or worse. How can you turn that into a high pick?

I am hoping for the best, but if the root is bad the flowers wont bloom.

Maybe you meant a pick higher than we got him? Anything is possible.

I'm sure the naysayers won't agree but …. this is a win win for me … If Kirk does great for the rest of the season we might trade him …

If Kirk does not do well here - we still have a really good back up QB

SkinsJock wrote:I'm sure the naysayers won't agree but …. this is a win win for me … If Kirk does great for the rest of the season we might trade him …

If Kirk does not do well here - we still have a really good back up QB

What makes him a really good backup QB if when given the opportunity to play he "does not do well here"??

IMO, everyone is giving Cousins waaay too much credit for a guy who hasn't proven a whole lot yet...

There are some here that think that Kirk Cousins might even be better than Robert and you want to say he has not proven anything …

we all saw some evidence (both last year and in the pre season - maybe you discount that for some reason) of Kirk's ability - he looks like he could be a decent QB

I kind of like him being our back up - I also want to piss off all these fans here that think that something insidious is going on here


many fans think that Mike has given up on this team and his players - that is BS IMO

Evidence in the pre-season? You sure you're not talking about Colt Brennan? Oh wait, he beat the Browns? Great. Look, I'm not saying he can't be good, but he isn't even a "great backup" until he fills in and does well over a larger sample of games. I do definitely agree about Shanahan's decision: it was the right one. Why not try to increase Kirk's trade value now that the season is lost. Why not try to humble Robert a bit? What is the harm? This is football, not kindergarten. Let's stop worrying about our QB's precious ego being hurt and get to next season in the best possible situation. IMO, that means playing Kirk for now.

just a thought .... shanny is trying to get the last laugh follow me for a second ...... cousins plays out season shanny gets fired ..... houston hires shanny .... shanny trades for cousins same system in place already .... just a thought.