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KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Not my view, but I like the way I stated yours.

Of course you do!

I can always count on you to spell check and catch typos, thanks!

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Not my view, but I like the way I stated yours.

Of course you do!

I can always count on you to spell check and catch typos, thanks!

And I can always count on you for a narcissistic, Freudian slip to make that task so much fun. Thanks!

welch wrote:I have always backed the name because I am a liberal and a history major and I suspect that the name was chosen to suggest the Boston Braves baseball team (then Milwaukee, now Atlanta), and I think "Braves" was meant to remind people of the Liberty Boys who dressed as Indians when they dumped tea in Boston Harbor.

However, I had a jolt about a month ago when I looked through you-tube for old episodes of The Lone Ranger. I grew up with that show, and remember the 90-minute "pilot" episode. I found it. At one point, the Lone Ranger sends Tonto into town to get help from the deputies. The deputies refuse, saying, aproximately, "Get out of here, you redskin".

The deputies (plot spoiler) are working for the bad guy, and I realized that the script-writers had given them that line -- "redskin" as a term of abuse -- as a tipoff.

I can't imagine another name for the team, but I'm not as comfortable as I was.

yupchagee wrote:If Dan gets to choose, it will be the "Snyders".

The Hogster wrote:Now that the season is officially underway, can we let this crap topic die? Let the non-fans, politicians etc discuss this moot point in the offseason. HAIL

BEAT PHILLY

REDSKINS FOR LIFE

The word 'Oklahoma' itself is Choctaw for 'red people.'

Deadskins wrote:

The word 'Oklahoma' itself is Choctaw for 'red people.'

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

The word 'Oklahoma' itself is Choctaw for 'red people.'

This should settle the debate but it won't.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

The word 'Oklahoma' itself is Choctaw for 'red people.'

This should settle the debate but it won't.

Among Anglophones, the word nigger was not always considered derogatory, because it then denoted "black-skinned", a common Anglophone usage. Nineteenth-century English (language) literature features usages of nigger without racist connotation, e.g. the Joseph Conrad novella The Nigger of the 'Narcissus' (1897). Moreover, Charles Dickens and Mark Twain created characters who used the word as contemporary usage. Twain, in the autobiographic book Life on the Mississippi (1883), used the term within quotes, indicating reported usage, but used the term "negro" when speaking in his own narrative persona.

During the fur trade of the early 1800s to the late 1840s in the Western United States, the word was spelled "niggur", and is often recorded in literature of the time. George Fredrick Ruxton often included the word as part of the "mountain man" lexicon, did not indicate that the word was pejorative at the time. "Niggur" was evidently similar to the modern use of dude, or guy. This passage from Ruxton's Life in the Far West illustrates a common use of the word in spoken form—the speaker here referring to himself: "Travler, marm, this niggur's no travler; I ar' a trapper, marm, a mountain-man, wagh!" It was not used as a term exclusively for blacks among mountain men during this period, as Indians, Mexicans, and Frenchmen and Anglos alike could be a "niggur".

By the 1900s, nigger had become a pejorative word. In its stead, the term colored became the mainstream alternative to negro and its derived terms. Abolitionists in Boston, Massachusetts, posted warnings to the Colored People of Boston and vicinity. Writing in 1904, journalist Clifton Johnson documented the "opprobrious" character of the word nigger, emphasizing that it was chosen in the South precisely because it was more offensive than "colored." Established as mainstream American English usage, the word colored features in the organizational title of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, reflecting the members' racial identity preference at the 1909 foundation. In the Southern United States, the local American English dialect changes the pronunciation of negro to nigra. Linguistically, in developing American English, in the early editions of A Compendious Dictionary of the English Language (1806), lexicographer Noah Webster suggested the neger new spelling in place of negro.

By the late 1960s, the social progress achieved by groups in the United States such as the Black Civil Rights Movement [1955–68], had legitimized the racial identity word black as mainstream American English usage to denote black-skinned Americans of African ancestry. In the 90's, "Black" was later displaced in favor of the compound blanket term African American. Moreover, as a compound word, African American resembles the vogue word Afro-American, an early-1970s popular usage. Currently, some black Americans continue to use the word nigger, often spelled as nigga and niggah, without irony, either to neutralize the word's impact or as a sign of solidarity.

The Hogster wrote:The name will always be the Washington Redskins. Native Americans don't even find it offensive. Fake outrage and the team should never cave.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

SkinsJock wrote:what a waste this man is proving to be as a politician and as a president

Barack Obama told the AP that if he were the Redskins owner, he would "think about changing" the name because the moniker offends “a sizeable group of people.”