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I'm thinking RGIII can play more to his natural style - i wouldn't call it reckless abandon but its' close - because he knows if *sh$t* happens Kirk has his back.
Think how he'd play if Rex was backup.

The ONLY way that RG3 is playing in week 1 is if he gets 'cleared' to play by Dr Andrews and Mike thinks that he's going to be able to play effectively - there is NO WAY that both Mike and RG3 are going to make the 'mistakes' they both made after the hit he took in the Ravens game - NO WAY - Mike Bruce and RG3 are VERY aware of the fact that their future is on the line here

There is NO WAY that RG3 is NOT playing if he's cleared by the DR and Mike is sure he's ready to play effectively - NO WAY



Cousins is here as the #2 because he's a better QB than Rex and down the road a bit he might be worth trading

Despite what Gruden said, I doubt that anyone is giving us a #1 for Cousins - at least, not this season and we would not be interested at this time anyway ...

SkinsJock wrote:Despite what Gruden said, I doubt that anyone is giving us a #1 for Cousins - at least, not this season and we would not be interested at this time anyway ...

Trust me, we're always interested in a #1. Like I said, it depends on who's offering.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Despite what Gruden said, I doubt that anyone is giving us a #1 for Cousins - at least, not this season and we would not be interested at this time anyway ...

Trust me, we're always interested in a #1. Like I said, it depends on who's offering.

I hear you and I agree that it would be very tempting - I doubt that Bruce and Mike will let him go at this time
we do have a very good FO now though and we do not have a #1 next year ...

SkinsJock wrote:There is NO WAY that RG3 is NOT playing if he's cleared by the DR and Mike is sure he's ready to play effectively - NO WAY

So you are saying if the Dr. clears RGIII to play week one, and the Coach thinks RGIII is the best QB on the roster that week, then RGIII will definitely play against the Eagles?

Very enlightening. Glad somebody cleared that up for us.

In other news of the obvious, Brian Orakpo will also start week one if both of his legs are not broken and the Redskins will DEFINITELY start Kai Forbath against the Eagles if Mike Shanahan thinks he is the strongest kicker on the roster.

I doubt that we trade Cousins ... at least not soon

I would not be surprised to see Pat White make the roster & I do think that Kyle (Mike) are going to run a lot of the read option again this season especially given that they have the talents of RG3

however ... I think that we will see Grossman as the #3 QB ... at least, until the bye week

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Despite what Gruden said, I doubt that anyone is giving us a #1 for Cousins - at least, not this season and we would not be interested at this time anyway ...

Trust me, we're always interested in a #1. Like I said, it depends on who's offering.

To add a little more to that.. if a team who is usually a top 10 draft team wants to give us their #1 for Cousins.. we'd really be idiots to turn it down.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Despite what Gruden said, I doubt that anyone is giving us a #1 for Cousins - at least, not this season and we would not be interested at this time anyway ...

Trust me, we're always interested in a #1. Like I said, it depends on who's offering.

Jets or Jags after this year is over...

langleyparkjoe wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Despite what Gruden said, I doubt that anyone is giving us a #1 for Cousins - at least, not this season and we would not be interested at this time anyway ...

Trust me, we're always interested in a #1. Like I said, it depends on who's offering.

To add a little more to that.. if a team who is usually a top 10 draft team wants to give us their #1 for Cousins.. we'd really be idiots to turn it down.

That's the point. If it's the Broncos looking for Peyton's successor, then maybe not. But if it's the Raiders, you pull the trigger.

I hear Bradford is out for the year. How about we give the Rams Cousins and our next #1 for their next #1 and #2 and their two #1s after that?

DarthMonk wrote: I hear Bradford is out for the year. How about we give the Rams Cousins and our next #1 for their next #1 and #2 and their two #1s after that?

Unlike someone else who fantasizes that we could get a starting Safety in exchange for Sleepy Davis... there is something to this. It's very likely that the Rams would pay a good deal more than Cousins is worth on paper... Unfortunately, Fischer is NOT Ditka, so we won't be getting his #1-#7... but we might just get a #2 or maybe a #3 + a player...

I also don't think Shanny is ready to let Cousins go quite yet...
nor am I...

Can we at least wait until the end of this season to see if Griffin stays healthy before we talk about trading the best backup in the league?!

StorminMormon86 wrote:Can we at least wait until the end of this season to see if Griffin stays healthy before we talk about trading the best backup in the league?!

Not happening man. This is Redskins fans' favorite topic.

riggofan wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Can we at least wait until the end of this season to see if Griffin stays healthy before we talk about trading the best backup in the league?!

Not happening man. This is Redskins fans' favorite topic.

After a win: "TRADE COUSINS! GRIFFIN IS BACK!"
After a loss: "BENCH GRIFFIN! WE WANT COUSINS!"

Skins fan logic.

Countertrey wrote:

DarthMonk wrote: I hear Bradford is out for the year. How about we give the Rams Cousins and our next #1 for their next #1 and #2 and their two #1s after that?

Unlike someone else who fantasizes that we could get a starting Safety in exchange for Sleepy Davis... there is something to this. It's very likely that the Rams would pay a good deal more than Cousins is worth on paper... Unfortunately, Fischer is NOT Ditka, so we won't be getting his #1-#7... but we might just get a #2 or maybe a #3 + a player...

I also don't think Shanny is ready to let Cousins go quite yet...
nor am I...

Am I reading this correctly?
Redskins get: STL 2013 #1 & #2, 2014 #1, 2015 #1
STL gets: Cousins, WAS 2014 #1



If true, do you honestly believe there's a GM on planet earth stupid enough to make that trade? We gave up basically the same for RGIII.

In REALITY, we are more likely to get one single second round pick for Cousins (maybe a 2 and 4) -- and perhaps a low #1 from a desperate team. IMHO, these are potential "dream" options:
- trade a #1 from MINN in exchange for Cousins. Based on their Josh Freeman pickup, they may just be dumb enough to make the deal. If MINN ends up with a top 5 pick, it would more likely be a #2 and #4
- get back our #1 from STL in exchange for KC straight up
- trade KC to JAX for a 2nd and 4th
- trade KC to HOU for their #1 or a 2nd and 3rd
With the disclaimer that these are "dream" options. I personally think all of these are stretches and the KC suitor would have to be REALLY desperate. In reality, KC most likely carries a #2 value at best.

I no longer think CLE is a potential suitor given the fact they appear committed to the draft.

markshark84 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

DarthMonk wrote: I hear Bradford is out for the year. How about we give the Rams Cousins and our next #1 for their next #1 and #2 and their two #1s after that?

Unlike someone else who fantasizes that we could get a starting Safety in exchange for Sleepy Davis... there is something to this. It's very likely that the Rams would pay a good deal more than Cousins is worth on paper... Unfortunately, Fischer is NOT Ditka, so we won't be getting his #1-#7... but we might just get a #2 or maybe a #3 + a player...

I also don't think Shanny is ready to let Cousins go quite yet...
nor am I...

Am I reading this correctly?
Redskins get: STL 2013 #1 & #2, 2014 #1, 2015 #1
STL gets: Cousins, WAS 2014 #1



If true, do you honestly believe there's a GM on planet earth stupid enough to make that trade? We gave up basically the same for RGIII.

Not to mention that STL already has our 2014 #1.

markshark84 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

DarthMonk wrote: I hear Bradford is out for the year. How about we give the Rams Cousins and our next #1 for their next #1 and #2 and their two #1s after that?

Unlike someone else who fantasizes that we could get a starting Safety in exchange for Sleepy Davis... there is something to this. It's very likely that the Rams would pay a good deal more than Cousins is worth on paper... Unfortunately, Fischer is NOT Ditka, so we won't be getting his #1-#7... but we might just get a #2 or maybe a #3 + a player...

I also don't think Shanny is ready to let Cousins go quite yet...
nor am I...

Am I reading this correctly?
Redskins get: STL 2013 #1 & #2, 2014 #1, 2015 #1
STL gets: Cousins, WAS 2014 #1

Ummm... you have to do some real contortions (and load up on a lot of Jack Daniels) to get that out of what I said...

If true, do you honestly believe there's a GM on planet earth stupid enough to make that trade? We gave up basically the same for RGIII.

In REALITY, we are more likely to get one single second round pick for Cousins (maybe a 2 and 4) -- and perhaps a low #1 from a desperate team. IMHO, these are potential "dream" options:
- trade a #1 from MINN in exchange for Cousins. Based on their Josh Freeman pickup, they may just be dumb enough to make the deal. If MINN ends up with a top 5 pick, it would more likely be a #2 and #4
- get back our #1 from STL in exchange for KC straight up
- trade KC to JAX for a 2nd and 4th
- trade KC to HOU for their #1 or a 2nd and 3rd
With the disclaimer that these are "dream" options. I personally think all of these are stretches and the KC suitor would have to be REALLY desperate. In reality, KC most likely carries a #2 value at best.

I no longer think CLE is a potential suitor given the fact they appear committed to the draft.

Why don't you re-read what I said, now that you're sober...

Countertrey wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

DarthMonk wrote: I hear Bradford is out for the year. How about we give the Rams Cousins and our next #1 for their next #1 and #2 and their two #1s after that?

Unlike someone else who fantasizes that we could get a starting Safety in exchange for Sleepy Davis... there is something to this. It's very likely that the Rams would pay a good deal more than Cousins is worth on paper... Unfortunately, Fischer is NOT Ditka, so we won't be getting his #1-#7... but we might just get a #2 or maybe a #3 + a player...

I also don't think Shanny is ready to let Cousins go quite yet...
nor am I...

Am I reading this correctly?
Redskins get: STL 2013 #1 & #2, 2014 #1, 2015 #1
STL gets: Cousins, WAS 2014 #1

Ummm... you have to do some real contortions (and load up on a lot of Jack Daniels) to get that out of what I said...

If true, do you honestly believe there's a GM on planet earth stupid enough to make that trade? We gave up basically the same for RGIII.

In REALITY, we are more likely to get one single second round pick for Cousins (maybe a 2 and 4) -- and perhaps a low #1 from a desperate team. IMHO, these are potential "dream" options:
- trade a #1 from MINN in exchange for Cousins. Based on their Josh Freeman pickup, they may just be dumb enough to make the deal. If MINN ends up with a top 5 pick, it would more likely be a #2 and #4
- get back our #1 from STL in exchange for KC straight up
- trade KC to JAX for a 2nd and 4th
- trade KC to HOU for their #1 or a 2nd and 3rd
With the disclaimer that these are "dream" options. I personally think all of these are stretches and the KC suitor would have to be REALLY desperate. In reality, KC most likely carries a #2 value at best.

I no longer think CLE is a potential suitor given the fact they appear committed to the draft.

Why don't you re-read what I said, now that you're sober...

My comments were directed at the inital post; not yours.

I can see that matches up with your post... though, normally, I would expect you would quote the post you were commenting on... not a response to the post you were commenting on....

markshark84 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

DarthMonk wrote: I hear Bradford is out for the year. How about we give the Rams Cousins and our next #1 for their next #1 and #2 and their two #1s after that?

Unlike someone else who fantasizes that we could get a starting Safety in exchange for Sleepy Davis... there is something to this. It's very likely that the Rams would pay a good deal more than Cousins is worth on paper... Unfortunately, Fischer is NOT Ditka, so we won't be getting his #1-#7... but we might just get a #2 or maybe a #3 + a player...

I also don't think Shanny is ready to let Cousins go quite yet...
nor am I...

Am I reading this correctly?
Redskins get: STL 2013 #1 & #2, 2014 #1, 2015 #1
STL gets: Cousins, WAS 2014 #1



If true, do you honestly believe there's a GM on planet earth stupid enough to make that trade? We gave up basically the same for RGIII.

That was the whole point. I was funnin'. Not only is that what we gave up - we gave it to the Rams.

I just read that the Rams called Favre... I don´t know, but in my book that is as desperate as it gets!!! Also heard Jeff Garcia called the Browns. Next week if things go so far, we could hear Montana, Marino and Namath names called!!!
Anyway, I think we are a lucky team with the QBs we have, but at the end of the day, business man Danny boy must be getting a lot of phone calls these days about Kirk and even for Rex (RG3 maybe?).
Is it time to HOLD or SELL as they say in the NYSE?
HaiL,

gushogs wrote:I just read that the Rams called Favre... I don´t know, but in my book that is as desperate as it gets!!! Also heard Jeff Garcia called the Browns. Next week if things go so far, we could hear Montana, Marino and Namath names called!!!
Anyway, I think we are a lucky team with the QBs we have, but at the end of the day, business man Danny boy must be getting a lot of phone calls these days about Kirk and even for Rex (RG3 maybe?).
Is it time to HOLD or SELL as they say in the NYSE?

Every GM, HC and anybody that has anything to do with NFL players knows that Dan Snyder does not have anything to do with the hiring or firing of players on the Redskins roster

I think that Mike and Bruce are very aware of the 'value' in having a good backup like Cousins and also when will be the right time IF, repeat IF they ever decide to trade him
I doubt he's going anywhere soon .... unless

I think we're sitting pretty right now. We have a good backup QB that can start in the NFL, but with RG3 coming off of injury, we have good reason to want to hang onto him. Maybe that causes a bidding war between desperate teams and we get an offer we can't refuse?

I'd take a 1st round pick and have Rexy back up RG3 for the rest of the season. Though we'd still have to draft another QB, wouldn't we? Decisions...

Hooligan wrote:I think we're sitting pretty right now. We have a good backup QB that can start in the NFL, but with RG3 coming off of injury, we have good reason to want to hang onto him. Maybe that causes a bidding war between desperate teams and we get an offer we can't refuse?

I'd take a 1st round pick and have Rexy back up RG3 for the rest of the season. Though we'd still have to draft another QB, wouldn't we? Decisions...

This is the most rational post I have seen here in quite a while.

This thread should go pretty quite after this coming Tuesday, at least until March next year.