skinsfan#33 wrote:Most of the good has already been covered, but I wanted to point out two things that I didn't see anyone touch on.
Gomes and Daughty both came up with critical INTs. Gomes' was more important and may have been the play of the game. Daught's pick would have been just as effexctive if he just batted the pass down. However, as we saw in the SB, batting the pass down gives other players a chance to catch it.
Speeking of Gomes. He had a Great game! He kind of made a bone headed play (that incorrectly) drew a 15 yard PF for hitting a player after the play. Live Ithought that the hit would draw a flag before one ever came out, but when they replayed the play you could see that it was a bad call. Why was it a bad call? Becuase the RB was still live! He was laying a a Skins player and hadn't hit the ground AND the whistle hadn't blown yet!
I don't see how it could be a PF for hitting the RB late if he wasn't down by contact yet and the whistle hadn't blown.
I also, thought the refs let the defenses hit both QBs late!
Breese also was ticking me off. How many pass did he throw that he was intentionally grounding the pass, but he threw the pass somewhere in the direction of a player and avoided the the penalty. If I was that frustrated I bet the defense was really torqued, but they didn't do anything stupid.
That pass he threw to the ground in the endzone was very close to being intentional grounding. At first I thought it was until I saw Sproles come running closer to Brees.
There were 3 or 4 more JUST like it!
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oj wrote:For sure its' better to be sittin here basking in the glow of a good win than the poor guy in St. Louis being called into the big office to explain to the guy sitting in the leather chair why they chose Luck over RGIII. Just sayin.
Hey didn't that Luck dude go to Clev......wait I mean Indy?????
I mix St Louis and Indy up for some reason in the same way i think Cleveland and Cincinatti are side by side. Thanks, oj
It's cool dude I was just messing with ya....I'm usually not like that but I'm in a good mood today for some reason
No worries, i do stupid stuff like that all the time, it was par for the course and you made a little good humor with it, its all good to me.
So I asked Shanahan if this had been by design -- if he'd set up that first drive with those quick passes to help his rookie get into the rhythm of the game without facing pressure from the Saints' defense or pressure to go through progressions while he got his feet under him. Because I figured, if it had been, it was a pretty smart idea.
"No, he has options on those plays," Shanahan said. "He decided to run it that way."
So how about that, right? Here I was, ready to give the veteran coach credit for a wise game plan that had helped his rookie quarterback ease into his first NFL game, and it turns out it was the rookie quarterback who'd made that decision on his own.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
Interesting numbers:
- the Skins D held Drew Bresss to a 46.2%, the only QB with a worse completion % was the Browns rookie Weedon (sp?)
- RG3 was 19 of 26 for 320 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INT, QB rating 139 (NFL wk1 best)
- Peyton was 19 of 26 for 253 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INT, QB rating 129.2 (4th)
- 362 yards compiled by RG3 (NFL wk 1 best) (4 more than M. Stafford)
- 88 yard pass to Garcon was the longest of the week and longest by any Rookie QB in his first game.
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oj wrote:One play that continues to bug me and i hope you guys can explain it. I believe it was 1st quarter, New orleans was backed up in thier own endzone, maybe 3rd down. Brew Brees dropped back to pass in his own endzone, the recievers were covered and he threw the ball away (at the ground and landed about at the line of scrimmage i believe) to avoid the sack. He was within the hash marks to avoid intentional grounding, but why wasn't this a safety? Thanks, oj
Actually, Brees was trying to set up a screen to Sproules, but London was all over it. The pass was towards the receiver, but deliberately grounded. The replay from the endzone showed it was not IG. as the receiver was within a couple yards.
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Correct me if I'm wrong.. but even with Garçon out Hankerson didn't even make the field? I wonder why? Bad week or praftice? Did he talk back? Obviously he is lower on the depth chart then most would have thought
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cowboykillerzRED wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong.. but even with Garçon out Hankerson didn't even make the field? I wonder why? Bad week or praftice? Did he talk back? Obviously he is lower on the depth chart then most would have thought
Was he active?
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cowboykillerzRED wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong.. but even with Garçon out Hankerson didn't even make the field? I wonder why? Bad week or praftice? Did he talk back? Obviously he is lower on the depth chart then most would have thought
In terms of the Luck comments --- it's WAY WAY WAY too early to be making them; like seasons too early.
As far as the Brees "intentional grounding" plays --- those were perfect examples of a veteran QB making veteran plays. Yes, of course he was intentionally throwing the ball away, BUT he knows the NFL rules and knows how to use them to his advantage. Based on the rule book, what Brees did was not "technically" intentional grounding, but that is what he was effectively doing.
As far as RGIII comment's on Garcon -- RGIII was correct and it is good to see that he is giving the credit where it is due. The pass was not very accurate. Had Garcon dropped it, most wouldn't have thought much of it by the WR, but he made the play. That TD was 100% attributed to Garcon. RGIII made a quick read and pass, which he should get credit for, but that TD was all Garcon.
Hankerson -- I am pretty confident that Hankerson didn't play because he isn't as good as the other WRs out there. He showed us nothing in the preseason except for slow routes and a couple drops. I don't see the hunger from Hankerson that I do from the other WRs.
markshark84 wrote: That TD was 100% attributed to Garcon.
This is a little hyperbolic. Yes, Garcon made a great catch and finished wonderfully, but a lot more went into the play than that. Including it being set up by the 11 previous plays from the first drive.
Just like when there's plenty of blame to go around after a loss, there's plenty of credit to go around for this play and this win.
markshark84 wrote: That TD was 100% attributed to Garcon.
This is a little hyperbolic. Yes, Garcon made a great catch and finished wonderfully, but a lot more went into the play than that. Including it being set up by the 11 previous plays from the first drive.
Just like when there's plenty of blame to go around after a loss, there's plenty of credit to go around for this play and this win.
I think the coaching staff did a very good job yesterday. I think RGIII did an incredable job.
This may be the fact this is a DC team, but I think my statements have been twisted the wrong way...... What I meant is that the TD would not have happened without the play by Garcon. Plain and simple. RGIII made an ok pass with a defender coming at him; the coaching staff set up an up-the-middle play after almost 10 plays to the outside -- but Garcon was the "playmaker". The effort was made by Garcon. If you had to pick which person "made" that play, it was Garcon.
And just like in every single play in the NFL, there are always others involved (it's a team sport), but Garcon deserves the credit for this one IMHO.
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Just a great gameplan all around. Completely out-coached
The replacement refs need to go. They were just terrible, for both teams.
I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but I think we are just going to have to take our medicine this year and sing Moon River. It is what it is.
I'm glad you came back, Smirk. Sorry that you had to endure what must have been a maddeningly frustrating loss. Best of luck to your team on the rest of the season . . . except in the unlikely event that we meet again in the playoffs, of course!
Rebroadcast (NFL Network Replay style; 1.5 hours) of the game tomorrow night at 8pm.
Yeah, NFL Replay is great. None of the BS dead time between plays, and they often cut away the audio to interviews with the players or coaches describing the action.
I just discovered something even better than replay. It's Sunday Ticket Short Cuts. 30 minutes, just the plays from the snap to the whistle, no commercials.
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oj wrote:One play that continues to bug me and i hope you guys can explain it. I believe it was 1st quarter, New orleans was backed up in thier own endzone, maybe 3rd down. Brew Brees dropped back to pass in his own endzone, the recievers were covered and he threw the ball away (at the ground and landed about at the line of scrimmage i believe) to avoid the sack. He was within the hash marks to avoid intentional grounding, but why wasn't this a safety? Thanks, oj
Actually, Brees was trying to set up a screen to Sproules, but London was all over it. The pass was towards the receiver, but deliberately grounded. The replay from the endzone showed it was not IG. as the receiver was within a couple yards.
There is the "by the rule" grounding and then there is a QB throwing the ball to the ground on purpose. Brees did the latter on the endzone play and at least 3 other times. Remember the backhanded grounding?
I actually heard an announcer say you can ground the ball on a busted screen. If true, how lame is that?
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oj wrote:One play that continues to bug me and i hope you guys can explain it. I believe it was 1st quarter, New orleans was backed up in thier own endzone, maybe 3rd down. Brew Brees dropped back to pass in his own endzone, the recievers were covered and he threw the ball away (at the ground and landed about at the line of scrimmage i believe) to avoid the sack. He was within the hash marks to avoid intentional grounding, but why wasn't this a safety? Thanks, oj
Actually, Brees was trying to set up a screen to Sproules, but London was all over it. The pass was towards the receiver, but deliberately grounded. The replay from the endzone showed it was not IG. as the receiver was within a couple yards.
There is the "by the rule" grounding and then there is a QB throwing the ball to the ground on purpose. Brees did the latter on the endzone play and at least 3 other times. Remember the backhanded grounding?
I actually heard an announcer say you can ground the ball on a busted screen. If true, how lame is that?
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You mean the ones when he was in the grasp and going down where just before he hit the ground he let the ball go? You mean those no-calls?
I thought things were different when the qb was in his own endzone and you had to be a little more astute and precise with what you are doing. But i am wrong, oh well.
To me discussions like this are very informative and i learn a lot, i'm not trying to be hardheaded and i appreciate your patience.
Thanks, oj
It says in this here rule book thing that "Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion." Dang it... somebody done need some skoolin'...
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cowboykillerzRED wrote:The pass was a little high but was put in a place for garçon to make a play
That pass was a perfect example of how to play a pass that is over thrown a little but still catchable! Garcon kept running and extended for the pass. Too often WRs will stop running and jump/dive for the ball and that almost never works.
It is so frustrating to see a ball go off a WR's finger tips because they dove for a slightly over throw deep pass when if they had just kept running they would have caught the ball! Then you get the stupid commentators that will say, "Boy he just missed him" or "Boy he just overthrew him by a touch". That frustrates me.
I hate Chris Collinsworthless, but he is one of the few commentators that will call a WR out for diving for a slightly overthrown deep ball. He says something like, "Of they had only kept winning they would have caught that" or "If he had only taken one more step before jumping up instead of diving!"
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It says in this here rule book thing that "Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion." Dang it... somebody done need some skoolin'...
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I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
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Got to give Shanny credit for knowing to tailor the O to RGIII. That is all that matters now.
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