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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:04 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
1niksder wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:The Hogster wrote:Finally a good question from a reporter. What is an uncapped year Mr. God--dell??
If anyone should have been penalized, it should have been the teams who treated the uncapped year, as an unfloored year and didn't spend a dime.
How stupid are the players for agreeing to punish the teams that spend and yet to your point not the teams that didn't? I mean...duh...
Players had no say in it, it was on D Smith.
If Smith had opposed this the 2012 cap would have been around $114M for each team. So although I say it was on Smith he real had no choice.
I agree that made it a difficult choice. But there's a clear downside to agreeing to punish owners who spend as well. If you were Jerry and Danny, wouldn't you want to screw the union if you had a chance? They're the ones who want what the union usually wants.
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:09 pm
by 1niksder
KazooSkinsFan wrote:1niksder wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:The Hogster wrote:Finally a good question from a reporter. What is an uncapped year Mr. God--dell??
If anyone should have been penalized, it should have been the teams who treated the uncapped year, as an unfloored year and didn't spend a dime.
How stupid are the players for agreeing to punish the teams that spend and yet to your point not the teams that didn't? I mean...duh...
Players had no say in it, it was on D Smith.
If Smith had opposed this the 2012 cap would have been around $114M for each team. So although I say it was on Smith he real had no choice.
I agree that made it a difficult choice. But there's a clear downside to agreeing to punish owners who spend as well. If you were Jerry and Danny, wouldn't you want to screw the union if you had a chance? They're the ones who want what the union usually wants.
Smith was looking at losing his job first and the people he represents second, but keeping them happy takes care of the first part.
His option was to not go along with it, tell the players the deal he negotiated last will result in $128M less in total cap space than what was available last off season, and hope the players didn't kick him out of his office or Go along with Mara and Goodell, keep the cap at the same level, and hope like hell Jerruh and "the Danny" wouldn't join forces.
He went with option B, the players re-elected him unopposed, and it looks like he went to bat for the players knowing although the to moguls joined forces he looks like he was bullied.
CAP BS
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:54 pm
by rskin72
So.....anyone know when a ruling is expected from this arbitrator?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:05 pm
by Deadskins
We don't even know when the hearing will be, yet.
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:37 pm
by Countertrey
And, likely won't until after it has occurred...
Re: CAP BS
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:22 pm
by skinsfan#33
rskin72 wrote:So.....anyone know when a ruling is expected from this arbitrator?
My guess it will be about this time next year!
You watch, the NFL will string this out so long that even if we get all of our cap space back, the damage is done and can't be undone!!!
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:35 pm
by Countertrey
I suspect that the arbitrator has all the power here. He decides what is enough time to prepare. He decides when the parties are working in good faith, and when they are not. He is probably capable of issuing a summary judgement if he feels one or the other party is jerking him around.
The NFL would be unwise to mess around.
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:38 pm
by The Hogster
Countertrey wrote:The Hogster wrote:Finally a good question from a reporter. What is an uncapped year Mr. God--dell??
If anyone should have been penalized, it should have been the teams who treated the uncapped year, as an unfloored year and didn't spend a dime.
That's really the home run argument. The league clearly cherry picked their targets. IF there was a discussion of a "gentlemen's agreement" to collude, and "not" gain a competitive advantage... going "beneath" the non-existant salary floor would have had to be part of the discussion as well as "over" the non-existant salary cap...
+1
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:07 pm
by jmooney
The NFL will probably drag it out as long as possible. Inflicting maximum damage before they have to return the cap space.
Or they will just wait until Fletcher signs elsewhere, then return it.
I hope through all this, somehow Mara and Goodell have to resign from their positions. Giving back the cap and those 2 losing their positions would be as close to justice as I could dream up. Unless Mara ended up in front of a judge or congressional commitee. That would be fun!
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:29 pm
by SkinsJock
where do some of these posts come from?
I think the NFL is wrong about this too but the NFL is NOT in charge of this - it's in the hands of the arbitrator people
the 29-0 vote means diddly here
IF the NFL were in charge there would be no hearing - DUH
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:37 pm
by jmooney
I still believe the NFL (owners) have the power to delay the hearing til the last possible minute. I think they've already started down that path, otherwise, a hearing date would be set already. It only benefits THEM to drag it out.
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:30 pm
by Countertrey
SkinsJock wrote:where do some of these posts come from?
I think the NFL is wrong about this too but the NFL is NOT in charge of this - it's in the hands of the arbitrator people
the 29-0 vote means diddly here
IF the NFL were in charge there would be no hearing - DUH
Well... they aren't listening... The NFL has a pretty lousy case, from all appearances... and playing around buy footdragging and other delays, is just as likely to piss off the arbitrator... that would be bad for the league... and raise the risk of punitive damages in addition to voiding of the theft of cap space... in other words... the league might screw it'self if it plays games here. It's in their interest to make this go away as quickly as possible.
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:32 pm
by 1niksder
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:36 pm
by 1niksder
Afraid of competition, Mr Mara? I have a solution!
by Mike Keys
So, I’ve been thinking. Mr John Mara seems opposed to actual competition from his NFC East antagonists (obviously, it’s unfair that his Giants should have to incur multiple thrashings at the hands of “inferior” East division opponents)… we believe this to be true, because he elected to specifically target only NFC East teams for his “special” ruling of “violating the spirit of the salary cap” which, oh, by the way, did not exist at the time of the contracts in question, even though multiple teams had similar responses to the uncapped year… So, how do we create a circumstance that prevents him from needing to compete… or to strain his brain conceiving thinly veiled schemes such as making up rules by which you can punish “certain” transgressors for violation of non-rules?
Let’s begin by creating a separate NFL Conference… one which completely eliminates the need for the Giants to endure the drudgery of actually having to play a contested game on the football field. We will call it the GFC… “Giants Football Conference”… it will, of course, have 4 divisions… the GFC East, consisting of the New Jersey Giants, and 3 high school teams from the Hackensack area. The GFC North… which will consist of 4 high school teams from the Newburgh NY area, the GFC West… which will consist of 4 high school teams from the greater Trenton NJ/ Washington Crossing PA area, and, of course, the GFC South, which will include 4 high school teams from the Atlantic City area. You get the picture…
The regular season for the GFC will include 2 games (home and home) against intradivision teams, 1 game each against teams from at least one other GFC Division, and at least 4 intra conference games. In the spirit of non-competition for the Giants, these games shall be played against non-football opponents. In the first year, for example, there will be one game played against the Harlem Globetrotters, one against the Disney Stars on Ice, and away games against the Maine State Legislature, and one, possibly very challenging game against the 145th Special Operations Company of the Georgia Army National Guard (they will not be permitted to use live ammo… sorry). I’m expecting the last game to be a loss for the G boys, despite the handicap to the home team, but since the Guard unit will play no other games, they are not likely to qualify for the playoffs…
The championship of this conference will be established in the same manner as occurs for the NFC and AFC, culminating in a Conference championship game.
In the spirit of non-competition, we will then play a selection game between the AFC and NFC champion… This game was formerly known as the “Super Bowl”. Unfortunately, we must now acknowledge that it is no longer going to be possible for THIS game to include the Giants, so can it truly be called “Super” any longer? Of course not. We will rename this game the “Game to Determine Who Gets to Play the Giants in the Real Super Bowl Bowl”. The winner of this game will go on to play the champion of the GFC. There is a strong likelihood that this will be the Giants.
As I see it… this should go a long way in paving a stress free path for one GFC team to reach the Super Bowl. It is hoped that they will have survived their difficult path with adequate strength left to compete against their NFC or AFC opponent.
BTW… there will be a system in place to create rules that will adequately ensure that either the Dallas Cowboys or Washington Redskins will not qualify beyond the “Game to Determine Who Gets to Play the Giants in the Real Super Bowl Bowl”. It’s likely that the Eagles with get even more special treatment.
I’m thinking this is a solution that Mr John Mara could live with. … unless we could convince him to start his own league… in Mongolia…
Thoughts?
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:13 am
by 1niksder
Matt Schaub got $10M cash and the Texans got future cap space.....
KC did with Tyson Jackson's contract the same thing ttiT did with Miles Austin's contract, the Chiefs free up $7M more than Jerruh's boys.....
The Bears combined what the Texans and Chiefs did and dumped almost $34M of Peppers contract into the un-capped year.....
Philly cleared over $27M in future space by reworking Jason Peters deal....
Sure looks like two teams were singled out, even though other teams did the same thing (on a higher level than ttiT in many cases).
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:28 am
by Deadskins
1niksder wrote:Philly cleared over $27M in future space by reworking Jason Peters deal....
Sure looks like two teams were singled out, even though other teams did the same thing (on a higher level than ttiT in many cases).
I wonder why the Smeagols didn't get hit too.
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:12 pm
by Countertrey
Deadskins wrote:1niksder wrote:Philly cleared over $27M in future space by reworking Jason Peters deal....
Sure looks like two teams were singled out, even though other teams did the same thing (on a higher level than ttiT in many cases).
I wonder why the Smeagols didn't get hit too.
Maybe Jeff Lurie has pics!
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:13 pm
by skinsfan#33
Countertrey wrote:Deadskins wrote:1niksder wrote:Philly cleared over $27M in future space by reworking Jason Peters deal....
Sure looks like two teams were singled out, even though other teams did the same thing (on a higher level than ttiT in many cases).
I wonder why the Smeagols didn't get hit too.
Maybe Jeff Lurie has pics!
Or maybe Godahell, actually convinced Mara that punishing all three teams in his division would be just too obvious!
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:36 pm
by Deadskins
skinsfan#33 wrote:Countertrey wrote:Deadskins wrote:1niksder wrote:Philly cleared over $27M in future space by reworking Jason Peters deal....
Sure looks like two teams were singled out, even though other teams did the same thing (on a higher level than ttiT in many cases).
I wonder why the Smeagols didn't get hit too.
Maybe Jeff Lurie has pics!
Or maybe Godahell, actually convinced Mara that punishing all three teams in his division would be just too obvious!
Then you would think.it would be us and Philly, not Dallas.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:38 am
by skinsfan#33
Deadskins wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:Countertrey wrote:Deadskins wrote:1niksder wrote:Philly cleared over $27M in future space by reworking Jason Peters deal....
Sure looks like two teams were singled out, even though other teams did the same thing (on a higher level than ttiT in many cases).
I wonder why the Smeagols didn't get hit too.
Maybe Jeff Lurie has pics!
Or maybe Godahell, actually convinced Mara that punishing all three teams in his division would be just too obvious!
Then you would think.it would be us and Philly, not Dallas.
Maybe, Mara just dislikes Dan and Jerry more than Jeff.
CAP
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:32 pm
by rskin72
Interesting post, 1niksider.....but those teams still apparently remained well under this imaginary cap that Mara (and others) have decided should have occured in 2010. The Skins and the Cowgirls were at 178 mil and 166 mil in salary cap in 2010......the majority of the teams were at or below the 2009 cap limit, and 3 teams were below 100 mil mark. Heck, we were as much over this imaginary cap as others were below, but somehow we took advantage of this "loophole" to create a competitive "advantage" .... so guess the lesson here is that it is ok to be cheap and pocket $$$ vice spending on your team.
Would also like to know Mara's definition of Loophole? Is a loophole the fact that the owners (including Mara) opted out of the CBS in 08....knowing that in 10 there would be an uncapped year unless a new CBA was accepted. This is not some small gaff or SNAFU in the CBA that the Redskins and Cowgirlz found and exploited. The owners willingly opted out of the CBA because of various concerns over revenue allocation with the NFLPA.....and the owners also knew that if no deal was reached within a couple of YEARS, then 10 would be an uncapped year. The threat of an uncapped year was supposed to be incentive for many owners to get a deal done, so that unlimited spending by teams that both HAVE money and will spend money on their teams (see Skins and Cowgirls) would not happen.
Personally I am looking forward to seeing how the arbitrator will see things....as I cannot fathom how anyone (outside of 29 of the owners, Goodell and Smith) could look at this and come away with any other thought than that the league is at fault here, and the Skins and girls are injured parties due compensation.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:55 pm
by MDSKINSFAN
Does anyone know what the timetable on the arbitration is, when this may be resolved?
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:04 pm
by Countertrey
^ I haven't decided yet.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:12 am
by Deadskins
Any news on the arbitration yet? Has a date even been set? This guy is a college professor, so I imagine he's pretty busy this time of year. Will they wait until summer break to meet?
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:51 am
by 1niksder
Deadskins wrote:Any news on the arbitration yet? Has a date even been set? This guy is a college professor, so I imagine he's pretty busy this time of year. Will they wait until summer break to meet?
Nope, Not yet, probably, not sure but hope it doesn't take that long
