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CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:no thanks to Peyton. I want an young QB

You make that sound like a mutually exclusive choice.

They could grab Peyton and still get RGIII. People would lose their minds if they did that...

If Peyton doesn't want to be in that type of situation in Indy, why would he want that here?

Right, we're stupid and we suck, we're like the worst team in the NFL, yadda yadda yadda, got it...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:no thanks to Peyton. I want an young QB

You make that sound like a mutually exclusive choice.

They could grab Peyton and still get RGIII. People would lose their minds if they did that...

If Peyton doesn't want to be in that type of situation in Indy, why would he want that here?

Right, we're stupid and we suck, we're like the worst team in the NFL, yadda yadda yadda, got it...

Keep living in that fantasy dream world of yours where you think that Manning has even the slightest bit of interest in joining this team.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:no thanks to Peyton. I want an young QB

You make that sound like a mutually exclusive choice.

They could grab Peyton and still get RGIII. People would lose their minds if they did that...

If Peyton doesn't want to be in that type of situation in Indy, why would he want that here?

Right, we're stupid and we suck, we're like the worst team in the NFL, yadda yadda yadda, got it...

Keep living in that fantasy dream world of yours where you think that Manning has even the slightest bit of interest in joining this team.

The only one who'd made an assertive comment about what Manning will or won't do is...you...

Canes: Manning won't come here

Kaz: And you know that because?....

Canes: AHA! You live in a fantasy world!!!

Hmmm.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:no thanks to Peyton. I want an young QB

You make that sound like a mutually exclusive choice.

They could grab Peyton and still get RGIII. People would lose their minds if they did that...

If Peyton doesn't want to be in that type of situation in Indy, why would he want that here?

Right, we're stupid and we suck, we're like the worst team in the NFL, yadda yadda yadda, got it...

Keep living in that fantasy dream world of yours where you think that Manning has even the slightest bit of interest in joining this team.

The only one who'd made an assertive comment about what Manning will or won't do is...you...

Canes: Manning won't come here

Kaz: And you know that because?....

Canes: AHA! You live in a fantasy world!!!

Hmmm.

It's called common sense. A 36-year old qb, coming off of a significant neck injury, isn't going to go to a team that has finished above .500 twice in the past ten years and has a mediocre offensive line. IF he plays next year, assuming it's not for the Colts, it's going to be for a team that is close to being a SB contender. Why would he spend the last few years of his career rebuilding a losing franchise?

None of you guys know what Manning will want to do. But, taking an educated guess given what we know, I highly doubt he'd want to be here.

First, business wise it makes no sense. The Manning Family is a brand. If Peyton is here, only one of the Mannings would be able to win a division title each year which significantly reduces the likelihood that they (i) will both have a chance to make the playoffs yearly, and (ii) eliminates the chance of both making the Superbowl. Putting them in the same division will hamper the overall success of the Manning brand.

Secondly, Manning has been in the same offense his entire career. (i) One of the architects of that offense happens to be with the New York Jets. (ii) The Jets happen to have a QB under scrutiny. (iii) The Jets happen to be in the AFC, thus allowing both Manning brothers the chance to consistently make the playoffs, Superbowls & have success. (iv) And, NY happens to be the biggest market in the league.

For those reasons I believe that the NYJ would have the edge not only for football reasons, but for business reasons.

The Hogster wrote:None of you guys know what Manning will want to do. But, taking an educated guess given what we know, I highly doubt he'd want to be here.

First, business wise it makes no sense. The Manning Family is a brand. If Peyton is here, only one of the Mannings would be able to win a division title each year which significantly reduces the likelihood that they (i) will both have a chance to make the playoffs yearly, and (ii) eliminates the chance of both making the Superbowl. Putting them in the same division will hamper the overall success of the Manning brand.

Secondly, Manning has been in the same offense his entire career. (i) One of the architects of that offense happens to be with the New York Jets. (ii) The Jets happen to have a QB under scrutiny. (iii) The Jets happen to be in the AFC, thus allowing both Manning brothers the chance to consistently make the playoffs, Superbowls & have success. (iv) And, NY happens to be the biggest market in the league.

For those reasons I believe that the NYJ would have the edge not only for football reasons, but for business reasons.

So let me get this straight. The division is too small for the both of them but the city of New York isn't? Does anybody else smell the odor coming from this? Peeeeeeyou

CanesSkins26 wrote:It's called common sense. A 36-year old qb, coming off of a significant neck injury, isn't going to go to a team that has finished above .500 twice in the past ten years and has a mediocre offensive line. IF he plays next year, assuming it's not for the Colts, it's going to be for a team that is close to being a SB contender. Why would he spend the last few years of his career rebuilding a losing franchise?

All I've ever advocated is that if we have the opportunity then we talk to the guy and see if he would come here and what it would take. There are a lot of people who don't think we're the hell hole that you do. Your insistence we're stupid and we suck and nobody good would ever come here isn't supported by the facts, just your opinion of the team.

That doesn't mean he would come here. He's good enough (if healthy) that maybe he wants to find a team with all the pieces who are only missing a QB. Maybe he'd come to a team on the rise like we are. Only one way to find out. And it's not by saying we're stupid and we suck and no one would ever come here.

chiefhog44 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:None of you guys know what Manning will want to do. But, taking an educated guess given what we know, I highly doubt he'd want to be here.

First, business wise it makes no sense. The Manning Family is a brand. If Peyton is here, only one of the Mannings would be able to win a division title each year which significantly reduces the likelihood that they (i) will both have a chance to make the playoffs yearly, and (ii) eliminates the chance of both making the Superbowl. Putting them in the same division will hamper the overall success of the Manning brand.

Secondly, Manning has been in the same offense his entire career. (i) One of the architects of that offense happens to be with the New York Jets. (ii) The Jets happen to have a QB under scrutiny. (iii) The Jets happen to be in the AFC, thus allowing both Manning brothers the chance to consistently make the playoffs, Superbowls & have success. (iv) And, NY happens to be the biggest market in the league.

For those reasons I believe that the NYJ would have the edge not only for football reasons, but for business reasons.

So let me get this straight. The division is too small for the both of them but the city of New York isn't? Does anybody else smell the odor coming from this? Peeeeeeyou

Um, yes. Duh. There are two successful franchises in NY that are in different CONFERENCES. Meaning, both Mannings have a shot to succeed consistently while both being in NYC. They don't have the same opportunity for consistent success when they are both within the same DIVISION. Maybe you don't understand that, but if you have any business and/or football sense you do.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:no thanks to Peyton. I want an young QB

You make that sound like a mutually exclusive choice.

They could grab Peyton and still get RGIII. People would lose their minds if they did that...

If Peyton doesn't want to be in that type of situation in Indy, why would he want that here?

Who says he doesn't want to be in that situation in Indy? Indy's not giving him that choice. They are going to cut him because they don't want to pay him the $28 million bonus he's due in March with his neck injury and uncertain return at this point.

Deadskins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:no thanks to Peyton. I want an young QB

You make that sound like a mutually exclusive choice.

They could grab Peyton and still get RGIII. People would lose their minds if they did that...

If Peyton doesn't want to be in that type of situation in Indy, why would he want that here?

Who says he doesn't want to be in that situation in Indy? Indy's not giving him that choice. They are going to cut him because they don't want to pay him the $28 million bonus he's due in March with his neck injury and uncertain return at this point.

Are they prohibited from re-negotiating or cutting him then signing him to a one or two year deal?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:no thanks to Peyton. I want an young QB

You make that sound like a mutually exclusive choice.

They could grab Peyton and still get RGIII. People would lose their minds if they did that...

If Peyton doesn't want to be in that type of situation in Indy, why would he want that here?

Who says he doesn't want to be in that situation in Indy? Indy's not giving him that choice. They are going to cut him because they don't want to pay him the $28 million bonus he's due in March with his neck injury and uncertain return at this point.

Are they prohibited from re-negotiating or cutting him then signing him to a one or two year deal?

Not at all. I'm just saying that Canes' point isn't valid. He's not leaving Indy because they are talking about drafting a QB in the #1 spot.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:It's called common sense. A 36-year old qb, coming off of a significant neck injury, isn't going to go to a team that has finished above .500 twice in the past ten years and has a mediocre offensive line. IF he plays next year, assuming it's not for the Colts, it's going to be for a team that is close to being a SB contender. Why would he spend the last few years of his career rebuilding a losing franchise?

All I've ever advocated is that if we have the opportunity then we talk to the guy and see if he would come here and what it would take. There are a lot of people who don't think we're the hell hole that you do. Your insistence we're stupid and we suck and nobody good would ever come here isn't supported by the facts, just your opinion of the team.

That doesn't mean he would come here. He's good enough (if healthy) that maybe he wants to find a team with all the pieces who are only missing a QB. Maybe he'd come to a team on the rise like we are. Only one way to find out. And it's not by saying we're stupid and we suck and no one would ever come here.

Way to completely exaggerate and over-blow someone's post.

I never said this is a hell-hole and that's why he wont come. We are currently re-building, do you dispute that? A guy with only a few years left in his career, in my opinion, would want no part of coming here if you look at it from a football standpoint. I'd be shocked if he would go to a place where he doesn't have a chance to win a SB in the next couple of years. We aren't that close yet.

Hogster made some good points about the business aspect of it as well. No matter how you look at it, it just doesn't seem like a good match.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I never said this is a hell-hole and that's why he wont come

Shannahan can't draft or groom quarterbacks, we're the Colts, it's fantasy to think Manning would consider coming here. That's exactly what you've been arguing.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I never said this is a hell-hole and that's why he wont come

Shannahan can't draft or groom quarterbacks, we're the Colts, it's fantasy to think Manning would consider coming here. That's exactly what you've been arguing.

Shanahan does have a history of not drafting qb's well. Just look at the qb's that he's drafted. He's had a revolving door of qb's on his teams since Elway retired more than ten years ago.

I said that we're the Colts? Where did you get that from? CLL said that we could draft RGIII and sign Manning. I replied to that by saying that Manning doesn't seem interested in staying with the Colts if they draft Luck, so why would he come here if we drafted RGIII? How is that saying that we're the Colts? You're totally making stuff up.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I never said this is a hell-hole and that's why he wont come

Shannahan can't draft or groom quarterbacks, we're the Colts, it's fantasy to think Manning would consider coming here. That's exactly what you've been arguing.

Shanahan does have a history of not drafting qb's well. Just look at the qb's that he's drafted. He's had a revolving door of qb's on his teams since Elway retired more than ten years ago.

I said that we're the Colts? Where did you get that from? CLL said that we could draft RGIII and sign Manning. I replied to that by saying that Manning doesn't seem interested in staying with the Colts if they draft Luck, so why would he come here if we drafted RGIII? How is that saying that we're the Colts? You're totally making stuff up.

That's what he does. I don't really agree with either of you much, but trust me--Kazoo is skilled in the art of debating himself.

He'll say what you said which you didn't say. Then say what he says that contradicts what he says you said but you didn't. See? He's got SKILZZ.
He argues with himself often which in his mind makes him undefeated.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I said that we're the Colts? Where did you get that from?

OK, fair enough on this point. I thought you were referring to the Colts being a bad team and we're just as bad.

The Hogster wrote:That's what he does. I don't really agree with either of you much, but trust me--Kazoo is skilled in the art of debating himself.

He'll say what you said which you didn't say. Then say what he says that contradicts what he says you said but you didn't. See? He's got SKILZZ.
He argues with himself often which in his mind makes him undefeated.

You realize there's a smack thread you can post this drivel in?

The Hogster wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:None of you guys know what Manning will want to do. But, taking an educated guess given what we know, I highly doubt he'd want to be here.

First, business wise it makes no sense. The Manning Family is a brand. If Peyton is here, only one of the Mannings would be able to win a division title each year which significantly reduces the likelihood that they (i) will both have a chance to make the playoffs yearly, and (ii) eliminates the chance of both making the Superbowl. Putting them in the same division will hamper the overall success of the Manning brand.

Secondly, Manning has been in the same offense his entire career. (i) One of the architects of that offense happens to be with the New York Jets. (ii) The Jets happen to have a QB under scrutiny. (iii) The Jets happen to be in the AFC, thus allowing both Manning brothers the chance to consistently make the playoffs, Superbowls & have success. (iv) And, NY happens to be the biggest market in the league.

For those reasons I believe that the NYJ would have the edge not only for football reasons, but for business reasons.

So let me get this straight. The division is too small for the both of them but the city of New York isn't? Does anybody else smell the odor coming from this? Peeeeeeyou

Um, yes. Duh. There are two successful franchises in NY that are in different CONFERENCES. Meaning, both Mannings have a shot to succeed consistently while both being in NYC. They don't have the same opportunity for consistent success when they are both within the same DIVISION. Maybe you don't understand that, but if you have any business and/or football sense you do.

First off, I'm laughing AT your statements, not debating them, but for laughs, the thought that the two of them can't be in the same division because of some "Manning family brand" is silly. Like the two have to be in different conferences for there to be any success. I actually think just the opposite. It would give the league a huge promotion TWICE a year. Hell, how bout a matchup in the playoffs. The likelihood that they'll be in the Super Bowl at the same time is extremely low in the amount of years he's got left.

Secondly, you speak about the Colts architect in NY? Who might that be? If you're thinking Tom Moore, the guy isn't even working there anymore. Maybe I'm missing someone, so I'll let you explain.

chiefhog44 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:None of you guys know what Manning will want to do. But, taking an educated guess given what we know, I highly doubt he'd want to be here.

First, business wise it makes no sense. The Manning Family is a brand. If Peyton is here, only one of the Mannings would be able to win a division title each year which significantly reduces the likelihood that they (i) will both have a chance to make the playoffs yearly, and (ii) eliminates the chance of both making the Superbowl. Putting them in the same division will hamper the overall success of the Manning brand.

Secondly, Manning has been in the same offense his entire career. (i) One of the architects of that offense happens to be with the New York Jets. (ii) The Jets happen to have a QB under scrutiny. (iii) The Jets happen to be in the AFC, thus allowing both Manning brothers the chance to consistently make the playoffs, Superbowls & have success. (iv) And, NY happens to be the biggest market in the league.

For those reasons I believe that the NYJ would have the edge not only for football reasons, but for business reasons.

So let me get this straight. The division is too small for the both of them but the city of New York isn't? Does anybody else smell the odor coming from this? Peeeeeeyou

Um, yes. Duh. There are two successful franchises in NY that are in different CONFERENCES. Meaning, both Mannings have a shot to succeed consistently while both being in NYC. They don't have the same opportunity for consistent success when they are both within the same DIVISION. Maybe you don't understand that, but if you have any business and/or football sense you do.

First off, I'm laughing AT your statements, not debating them, but for laughs, the thought that the two of them can't be in the same division because of some "Manning family brand" is silly. Like the two have to be in different conferences for there to be any success. I actually think just the opposite. It would give the league a huge promotion TWICE a year. Hell, how bout a matchup in the playoffs. The likelihood that they'll be in the Super Bowl at the same time is extremely low in the amount of years he's got left.

Secondly, you speak about the Colts architect in NY? Who might that be? If you're thinking Tom Moore, the guy isn't even working there anymore. Maybe I'm missing someone, so I'll let you explain.

Wow. This is remedial. If you don't understand why Peyton Manning might rather not compete with his brother in-division, then you're just...helpless. Additionally, if you don't think the Manning's are a brand, you're not paying attention. Finally, if you think Tom Moore would not serve as an offensive consultant to the Jets next season (as he did this season) if Peyton went there, well then....no help for you there.

Either way, you're misinformed and I don't have to walk you through these concepts.

I could ask you to explain why the aforementioned football and business reasons don't support my preposition, but that would require you to think. But just for giggles, why on earth would Peyton want to come to D.C. sense such a logical argument could be made.

Kyle is younger than him. Totally new offense. Skins have one half the games the Jets have in the last 2 years. Oh, and he'd have to beat his younger brother to get to the Superbowl. Brilliant.

Hears a few reasons...
Because the colts are crap w out him.. He can see the potential here especially w us whooping his lil broa team who is headed to the sb.
He probably knows w good to great qb play another year of off season both sides of the ball could be very competitive.
He knows Danny boy will pay him.
He might like shanny more then fatty @NYJ
He is an older brother.. Who the heck doesn't enjoy beating up on little bro?!

The Hogster wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:None of you guys know what Manning will want to do. But, taking an educated guess given what we know, I highly doubt he'd want to be here.

First, business wise it makes no sense. The Manning Family is a brand. If Peyton is here, only one of the Mannings would be able to win a division title each year which significantly reduces the likelihood that they (i) will both have a chance to make the playoffs yearly, and (ii) eliminates the chance of both making the Superbowl. Putting them in the same division will hamper the overall success of the Manning brand.

Secondly, Manning has been in the same offense his entire career. (i) One of the architects of that offense happens to be with the New York Jets. (ii) The Jets happen to have a QB under scrutiny. (iii) The Jets happen to be in the AFC, thus allowing both Manning brothers the chance to consistently make the playoffs, Superbowls & have success. (iv) And, NY happens to be the biggest market in the league.

For those reasons I believe that the NYJ would have the edge not only for football reasons, but for business reasons.

So let me get this straight. The division is too small for the both of them but the city of New York isn't? Does anybody else smell the odor coming from this? Peeeeeeyou

Um, yes. Duh. There are two successful franchises in NY that are in different CONFERENCES. Meaning, both Mannings have a shot to succeed consistently while both being in NYC. They don't have the same opportunity for consistent success when they are both within the same DIVISION. Maybe you don't understand that, but if you have any business and/or football sense you do.

First off, I'm laughing AT your statements, not debating them, but for laughs, the thought that the two of them can't be in the same division because of some "Manning family brand" is silly. Like the two have to be in different conferences for there to be any success. I actually think just the opposite. It would give the league a huge promotion TWICE a year. Hell, how bout a matchup in the playoffs. The likelihood that they'll be in the Super Bowl at the same time is extremely low in the amount of years he's got left.

Secondly, you speak about the Colts architect in NY? Who might that be? If you're thinking Tom Moore, the guy isn't even working there anymore. Maybe I'm missing someone, so I'll let you explain.

Wow. This is remedial. If you don't understand why Peyton Manning might rather not compete with his brother in-division, then you're just...helpless. Additionally, if you don't think the Manning's are a brand, you're not paying attention. Finally, if you think Tom Moore would not serve as an offensive consultant to the Jets next season (as he did this season) if Peyton went there, well then....no help for you there.

Either way, you're misinformed and I don't have to walk you through these concepts.

I could ask you to explain why the aforementioned football and business reasons don't support my preposition, but that would require you to think. But just for giggles, why on earth would Peyton want to come to D.C. sense such a logical argument could be made.

Kyle is younger than him. Totally new offense. Skins have one half the games the Jets have in the last 2 years. Oh, and he'd have to beat his younger brother to get to the Superbowl. Brilliant.

Guess I'm helpless, and not paying attention, but for once, how about considering a different view than your own for more than a nanosecond before you shred someone's business or football knowledge because it differs with your own. It's getting old sitting here listening to your righteous tone with everyone.

What is a Manning family brand? As if Archie is sitting back collecting all the revenues of these two. Do you not think these two players are individuals, making decisions based on their own individual brand names? I have no idea what you are even talking about so you're gonna HAVE to explain it.

Even if you meant individual brand names, maybe you get by with saying that they are concerned about their individual brand when they're rookies or even second or third year starters, but these guys have both won Super Bowls, been to countless playoffs etc. Hell Peyton just made 25+million last year for not even playing. The brand is built, and for Peyton, almost done. Further, they've played in different conferences forever while growing their individual brand names... I dont think it's so far fecthed as you to think they would be opposed to playing against each other in a VERY rich division. I think financially, the league would absolutely LOVE the idea of these guys playing against each other twice a year, and I think they obviously would individually profit as well. Hmm, let's put this together, like a businessman...top five revenue team in the league without an allstar on the roster. Peyton goes to the team and guess what happens? I'll let you draw the conclusion since, well, you know it all.

Secondly, sorry, you made the comment of Tom Moore being on the Jets...which he is not. But yet, STILL, you can't even admit when you are actually wrong. Do those that you know personally get as frustrated as we all do listening to this hardheadedness?

Thirdly, I NEVER said that he would WANT to come here. I have no idea what he would want. I'm simply laughing at the Manning Family brand comment, and correcting you on the Tom Moore statement.

If there is any wish to engage in personal attacks, move it to Smack... and keep it there.

If you are going to continue in this thread, stick to the topic, and keep it civil.

The Hogster wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:None of you guys know what Manning will want to do. But, taking an educated guess given what we know, I highly doubt he'd want to be here.

First, business wise it makes no sense. The Manning Family is a brand. If Peyton is here, only one of the Mannings would be able to win a division title each year which significantly reduces the likelihood that they (i) will both have a chance to make the playoffs yearly, and (ii) eliminates the chance of both making the Superbowl. Putting them in the same division will hamper the overall success of the Manning brand.

Secondly, Manning has been in the same offense his entire career. (i) One of the architects of that offense happens to be with the New York Jets. (ii) The Jets happen to have a QB under scrutiny. (iii) The Jets happen to be in the AFC, thus allowing both Manning brothers the chance to consistently make the playoffs, Superbowls & have success. (iv) And, NY happens to be the biggest market in the league.

For those reasons I believe that the NYJ would have the edge not only for football reasons, but for business reasons.

So let me get this straight. The division is too small for the both of them but the city of New York isn't? Does anybody else smell the odor coming from this? Peeeeeeyou

Um, yes. Duh. There are two successful franchises in NY that are in different CONFERENCES. Meaning, both Mannings have a shot to succeed consistently while both being in NYC. They don't have the same opportunity for consistent success when they are both within the same DIVISION. Maybe you don't understand that, but if you have any business and/or football sense you do.

First off, I'm laughing AT your statements, not debating them, but for laughs, the thought that the two of them can't be in the same division because of some "Manning family brand" is silly. Like the two have to be in different conferences for there to be any success. I actually think just the opposite. It would give the league a huge promotion TWICE a year. Hell, how bout a matchup in the playoffs. The likelihood that they'll be in the Super Bowl at the same time is extremely low in the amount of years he's got left.

Secondly, you speak about the Colts architect in NY? Who might that be? If you're thinking Tom Moore, the guy isn't even working there anymore. Maybe I'm missing someone, so I'll let you explain.

Kyle is younger than him. Totally new offense. Skins have one half the games the Jets have in the last 2 years. Oh, and he'd have to beat his younger brother to get to the Superbowl. Brilliant.

Few other things here. Are you suggesting that the BRAND new Jets offensive coordinator Tony Sparano would not present a new offense for him to learn? Secondly, have they ever been to a super bowl together? You act like they've played in the Super Bowl against each other multiple times and if they're in the same division, that streak would end.

Finally, a real life example of how Peyton could care less about his brothers brand identity happened the past two weeks....during Super Bowl week, there is an unwritten rule that you don't create news unless you are in the game. That's exactly what Peyton's been doing for the past two weeks. Hell, pull up ESPN and go to the news, and the top news isn't about the Super Bowl, it's about Peyton being cleared to play.

Okay, I'll try with crayons and hand puppets this time.

If Peyton Manning came to play for the Redskins, he would be vying with Eli for the division championship yearly, which DRASTICALLY decreases the likelihood of them both even making the playoffs in the same season.

I specialize in representing NFL players specifically in off-the-field transactions and business deals. And, I am telling you from experience that WINNING has a direct correlation with the ability to produce income. It's something that Peyton, Tom Condon and all of his advisors will consider whether you understand that or not. And, YES, the Manning's are a brand. Look up Brand then get back to me. Where were you when Archie steered Eli away from San Diego? Where were you when Archie came out earlier this offseason and said Peyton didn't want to play with Andrew Luck.

If you think that Peyton would come here without considering the fact that more than likely either he or Eli will be sitting at home every year, then you're just being stubborn.

As for Tom Moore, he has a relationship with the Jets. He signed a 1 year deal. Simply because the season is over doesn't mean that he would not be brought back IF the Jets land Manning. That's common sense. AND, it's a lot closer tie than he has to Kyle Shanahan, so I'm still in awe that you're continuing to make such a fruitless argument. Additionally, this is the NY JETS. They signed Brett Favre. They're trying to be the talk of Broadway. They'd move hell and earth to make Peyton comfortable in their offense. Oh, and let's not even get to the marketing machine that would exist with the Manning brothers competing ALL YEAR for supremacy in NYC. That is a 16 week long storyline that will generate money not only for the players, but the teams and the NFL as a whole. And, there's the possibility of them playing in the Manning Bowl. Dude, none of us knows for SURE, but I have made many more valid football and business points supporting my belief that he wouldn't come here if given the chance to join the Jets or even the Dolphins (where he has a home). All you're doing is getting mad that you can't quite understand a view contrary to yours and you're failing at making a valid argument in favor of that view. Have at it.


I could care less what you feel about my tone on this website. I am not here to make friends, and have no interest in making your acquaintance.

The Hogster wrote:I specialize in representing NFL players specifically in off-the-field transactions and business deals.

And I'm a ballerina. What a condescending post. It could just address chief's points. And the post makes zero business sense. For example:

The Hogster wrote:And, I am telling you from experience that WINNING has a direct correlation with the ability to produce income. It's something that Peyton, Tom Condon and all of his advisors will consider whether you understand that or not.

Manning will be 36 in the fall and Eli is two years into a six year mega deal. There isn't going to be an opportunity for them to lose dollars on a contract. But even more then that, Chief made a great point. Redskin Giant games would be major TV events and it'd be twice a year and the NFL would certainly pump that. That publicity would do nothing but help Eli. As would any games he won. THAT is marketing. Running away and hiding isn't.