Atheism?

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:02 am

Deadskins wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:The question is, "What is the cause of everything?"

Just out of curiosity, what is your answer to that question, IB?

Stand by for cop out lol

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:03 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:I am actually tired of being badgered with the same question over and over and over.

You stuck your nose in a conversation where someone just said they used God as their personal motivation to proselytize your atheism. Continued to argue it in that thread. When Deadskins started a thread to discuss it you welcomed all challengers. You insulted believers by saying your knowledge there is no God is "fact" based and ours isn't. Then you refused to answer any question no matter how many times or ways they were presented to you.

And now you're whining about it?

ATX_Skins wrote:As an Atheist I don't have to know, or explain

Actually you do. Ignoring you started the whole thing, you are making a positive assertion there is no God. An agnostic wouldn't have to know or explain anything. And again, you made the what traveled through unsubstantiated and went deeply into lame that your views are "fact" based and ours aren't. So far your facts consist of you looked at clouds and realized there is no God. Wow, that would turn Pat Robertson into an atheist...

Kaz, does it hurt yet? You have been riding that fence for a while :lol:

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:27 am

Irn-Bru wrote:And at any rate SJ and JSPB weren't giving a tautology. The question is, "What is the cause of everything?" Their answer is, "God." That's what they are talking about when they say "belief" — belief in God as cause.

So when ATX says "You need to explain the cause of everything," that's their answer: God.

Now, they might be wrong, they might be using "God" to fill in for something they don't fully know . . . I can imagine several critiques one might try to level against it. Saying it's "tautological" doesn't really make sense, though: it's just not a tautology.

It could only be a tautology if "God" was defined strictly as something like "the answer to the question of what caused everything," where "answer" is self-referential. That way, any attempt to define God further so as to distinguish him from the cause of the universe (and get more meaning out of the definition) would fail. But clearly they are talking about more than that: some kind of supreme being whose existence is not caused, etc.

I believe the statement in question is more accurately paraphrased as, "my belief in God proves his existence." But what he really said is more akin to "I believe in God because I believe in God" (that's tautological).

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:50 am

Deadskins wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:The question is, "What is the cause of everything?"

Just out of curiosity, what is your answer to that question, IB?

Well, since life, the universe and everything are 42, I'm going with of those that just "everything" is 14. Of course that assumes that they are mutually exclusive and equal weighting, but I'm comfortable with that assumption...

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:54 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:The question is, "What is the cause of everything?"

Just out of curiosity, what is your answer to that question, IB?

Well, since life, the universe and everything are 42, I'm going with of those that just "everything" is 14. Of course that assumes that they are mutually exclusive and equal weighting, but I'm comfortable with that assumption...

So, therefore the cause of everything is 7 times 2?

broomboy · Post by **broomboy** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:05 am

Being a fellow atheist myself, I first (if you look back at the original thread) thought the comments made by ATX were in horrible taste considering the context.

I also believe quite strongly that militant atheists or any other militant religious facts are equally despicable. Your not going to convince people by confronting them with weak arguments and you just come off looking like a jackass. I also thought hitchens looked like a fool in that clip for the aforementioned reasons by other posters. There are a plethora of better clips you could have used from him or dawkins.

This is the thread that never ends, cause this damn debate has being going on since the dawn of man. :roll:

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:16 am

broomboy wrote:Being a fellow atheist myself

So, then how do you answer the question?

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:42 am

Deadskins wrote:
broomboy wrote:Being a fellow atheist myself

So, then how do you answer the question?

Science!

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:52 am

cvillehog wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
broomboy wrote:Being a fellow atheist myself

So, then how do you answer the question?

Science!

That doesn't really answer the question, now does it?

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:03 pm

broomboy wrote:Being a fellow atheist myself

I don't believe in atheists

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:06 pm

cvillehog wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:The question is, "What is the cause of everything?"

Just out of curiosity, what is your answer to that question, IB?

Well, since life, the universe and everything are 42, I'm going with of those that just "everything" is 14. Of course that assumes that they are mutually exclusive and equal weighting, but I'm comfortable with that assumption...

So, therefore the cause of everything is 7 times 2?

The cause of everything in my experience is the onset of puberty. Before that things were pretty calm and they made a whole lot more sense.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:11 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
cvillehog wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:The question is, "What is the cause of everything?"

Just out of curiosity, what is your answer to that question, IB?

Well, since life, the universe and everything are 42, I'm going with of those that just "everything" is 14. Of course that assumes that they are mutually exclusive and equal weighting, but I'm comfortable with that assumption...

So, therefore the cause of everything is 7 times 2?

The cause of everything in my experience is the onset of puberty. Before that things were pretty calm and they made a whole lot more sense.

And in your case, that was at 14?

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:11 pm

ATX_Skins wrote:Kaz, does it hurt yet? You have been riding that fence for a while

This isn't an argument. It's just contradiction. I came here for a good argument. An argument isn't just contradiction. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:13 pm

Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
cvillehog wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:The question is, "What is the cause of everything?"

Just out of curiosity, what is your answer to that question, IB?

Well, since life, the universe and everything are 42, I'm going with of those that just "everything" is 14. Of course that assumes that they are mutually exclusive and equal weighting, but I'm comfortable with that assumption...

So, therefore the cause of everything is 7 times 2?

The cause of everything in my experience is the onset of puberty. Before that things were pretty calm and they made a whole lot more sense.

And in your case, that was at 14?

I waited until after College, that's why I got good grades. Eventually I couldn't put it off any longer. And then I regretted it...

broomboy · Post by **broomboy** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:54 pm

For me, being an atheist and a theist takes a certain amount of "faith". I have my own personal reasons for not believing just as I am sure you guys have yours for believing. Mine tends to be science.

But as I stated no one is going to derive at some TRUTH in this thread where we all sit back and say "My god your absolutely right!" Instead this thread will degenerate into name-calling and the like (its already gone down that path).

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:06 pm

broomboy wrote:For me, being an atheist and a theist takes a certain amount of "faith". I have my own personal reasons for not believing just as I am sure you guys have yours for believing. Mine tends to be science.

Science doesn't answer the question, though. :wink:

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:08 pm

broomboy wrote:But as I stated no one is going to derive at some TRUTH in this thread where we all sit back and say "My god your absolutely right!" Instead this thread will degenerate into name-calling and the like (its already gone down that path).

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:37 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:Kaz, does it hurt yet? You have been riding that fence for a while

This isn't an argument. It's just contradiction. I came here for a good argument. An argument isn't just contradiction. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.

No Monty Python fans? I make regular references to them and never get a comment, it's disheartening.

My 15 year old daughter has finally accepted my premise that nothing happens in life that is not captured in a Monty Python skit because I've proven her wrong too many times now...

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:40 pm

broomboy wrote:Instead this thread will degenerate into name-calling and the like (its already gone down that path).

Not sure what you're talking about regarding this thread, it seems to have remained pretty tame. ATX took some heat for not addressing any questions, but that seems pretty deserved since he both started the discussion and said he'd address any points made. But I wouldn't call any of that "name calling" either.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:54 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:My 15 year old daughter has finally accepted my premise that nothing happens in life that is not captured in a Monty Python skit because I've proven her wrong too many times now...

I say the same thing about the Simpsons.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:33 pm

Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:My 15 year old daughter has finally accepted my premise that nothing happens in life that is not captured in a Monty Python skit because I've proven her wrong too many times now...

I say the same thing about the Simpsons.

It's a far lower hurdle, they made a whole lot more of those

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:58 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:My 15 year old daughter has finally accepted my premise that nothing happens in life that is not captured in a Monty Python skit because I've proven her wrong too many times now...

I say the same thing about the Simpsons.

It's a far lower hurdle, they made a whole lot more of those

I've been saying it for a long time, though. :wink:

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:00 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
broomboy wrote:Instead this thread will degenerate into name-calling and the like (its already gone down that path).

Not sure what you're talking about regarding this thread, it seems to have remained pretty tame. ATX took some heat for not addressing any questions, but that seems pretty deserved since he both started the discussion and said he'd address any points made. But I wouldn't call any of that "name calling" either.

Being real here, I have to use the google machine because some of you post words I have to look up, then figure out how they fit into the sentence, then come up with a response. By that time two other posters have commented. I don't feel as though anyone has been name calling. If anything, I push those lines, which I do not think I've done here. Yet

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:06 pm

ATX_Skins wrote:Being real here, I have to use the google machine because some of you post words I have to look up

So, we're not only expanding your consciousness, but also your vocabulary. That can only be a good thing!

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:09 pm

Deadskins wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:Being real here, I have to use the google machine because some of you post words I have to look up

So, we're not only expanding your consciousness, but also your vocabulary. That can only be a good thing!

It is indeed!

Really though, do some of you talk like this in real life?