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ATX_Skins wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:
Banks is a WR with KR/PR duties, as is just about every other KR/PR in the league. Why do you think Banks is the first person in the history of the NFL to get his own "special" position?

Gibbs used Cooley as an H back. However he was always listed as a TE. Are you saying the Redskins have a bunch of exceptions to the depth chart?

Actually, you are wrong on both of these points.
Norv told BMitch that he never had to worry about making the team as a RB, because he had a special spot set aside on the roster for him.

Cooley was listed as a HB for the first two years he was on the team and that is one of the reasons he weres #47. Cooley was listed with the FBs for PB voting for those two years.

Also, Frank Wychek was considered a HB when he was with the Titans.

"Considered"...? You'd better come harder than that if you want anyone to take you serious. Double poster.

Did i miss this getting moved to smack? I wasn't trying to come "strong" just correcting your erors while taking a dump this AM.

Frakin phone double posts whenever it feels like it.

skinsfan#33 wrote:Frakin phone double posts whenever it feels like it.

ESO

Red_One43 wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote: Who has the supposed 3rd QB slot? Perhaps Banks? Just because Banks is called a WR doesn't mean that he is taking a WR spot.

Asking as a matter of fact, where did you read that

Give it up. He is listed as a WR on their official roster:

http://www.redskins.com/team/players.html

As well as their depth chart:

http://www.redskins.com/team/depth-chart.html

By your arguement, anyone could be any position and that classifications and position allocations are arbitrary and without true meaning. In reality he is listed as a WR via the official website. I would hope that someone on the coaching staff is providing this information to the website adminstrators -- otherwise there could be some serious problems. It is all fine and good that MS sees him as a returner -- after all, so does everyone else. But the fact is that he is listed as a WR and I am very confident that MS considers him part of the wide receiver corps -- seeing is how that is the team group he joins during team practice drills. He doesn't stand to the side and hang out with our kickers. End of story.

Me give it up, Mark? Your earlier statements prove that you agree with Shanny that Banks is listed as a receiver but that is not what he plays. Check out what you said which supports what I said Shanny said.

My whole point Mark and your earlier posts support it that in the mind of Shanny, right now, Banks does not figure in as an 8th receiver. He is listed as a WR because that is the position he came in as and someday when his knee is one hundred percent, we will see him catching screens and running the wildcat, but as you read what Shanny said, he is too valuable to risk right now in multiple positions. Argue all you want that he is listed as a receiver and no one disputes that - the old you and me know that he only plays WR right now and he has a special spot probably what was the third QB spot last year.

Markshark84 wrote

He only returns punts and kickoffs and does not see the field as a WR or on other special teams functions. So, in order for Banks to "deserve" the spot, I believe he needs to excel at PRs and KRs more so than anyone else could possibly do that is currently on our roster.

"Only" returns punts, "does not see the field as a WR"

Matkshark84 wrote:

But a special spot has been reserved for Banks because he is THAT much better

A special spot reserved Markshark? A special slot and not a receiver slot? (Where did you see that on Redskins.com? YOu didn't, you used your ability to think and know what is reality. You are speaking out of both sides of you computer mark. You harp on Banks being listed as a receiver but here you say he dosn't have a receiver slot, but a special spot no where listed on Redskins.com.

Markshark 84 wrote:

As far as the 8 WRs, BB is one of those WRs. If BB wasn't a return man, we would be carrying 7. While I agree that MS can't decide on WRs just yet, it doesn't take away from the fact that BB has a WR spot but doesn't play the position. Therefore, I think that BB is one of the reasons (obviously) we have 8 WRs.

Here you acknowledge the fact that we all know that Banks is listed as a receiver, then you clearly accept the fact that BANKS IS A RETURNER.

One minute, you say he has a special spot. Now, you say he has a WR spot. BUT you say what Shanny said - HE DOESN'T PLAY THE POSITION. Which is what I am saying - that he doesn't play the positon right now, so stop comparing him to the other WR's and instead of saying that he hasn't earned his keep - take a look at some film and check it out as to why his production has dropped. BTW Shanny has. Banks is still as dangerous as he was in the first two games. This isn't a Banks problem, it is a problem the Redskins need to solve to get their ace returner some room to manuever.

BTW Mark, is it a special spot or a WR spot? Did you find this "special" spot listed on Redskins.com or not?

Me. Give it up!!! Make up your mind.

This is just unreal.

Judging by the posts between you and ATX, I can tell you right now I do not have nearly enough time to dedicate to this discussion. But here is my brief response.

BB is our PR and is listed as a WR. We have 8 WRs on the team -- BB being one of them. He is listed low on our WR depth chart -- meaning he doesn't play at WR due to his position on the chart -- I think you may have assumed or overanalyzed a bit too much of what I was saying. If people got injured, he'd play WR. He made the team primarily due to his returning abilities, but that doesn't mean he is not a WR. All returners have positions other than as a return specialist, so I am not sure why BB wouldn't either.

But lets get real here -- does this discussion even matter??? And please read all my posts, I did say he deserves the spot for now. I never said he didn't. I have no idea what you are trying to prove other than the fact that you love to argue over things that don't matter..... Come to think of it -- you have a career in politics ahead of you!!!!

skinsfan#33 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote: Actually, you are wrong on both of these points.
Norv told BMitch that he never had to worry about making the team as a RB, because he had a special spot set aside on the roster for him.

Cooley was listed as a HB for the first two years he was on the team and that is one of the reasons he weres #47. Cooley was listed with the FBs for PB voting for those two years.

Also, Frank Wychek was considered a HB when he was with the Titans.

"Considered"...? You'd better come harder than that if you want anyone to take you serious. Double poster.

Did i miss this getting moved to smack? I wasn't trying to come "strong" just correcting your erors while taking a dump this AM.

Frakin phone double posts whenever it feels like it.

If you think that's smack, I recommend you stay out of smack...

Deadskins wrote:But if all the active WRs happened to get injured during a game, who do you think would be called on to play the position?

Red_One wrote:

if the guy is on the roster then you use him if he can make plays for you.

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Deadskins wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:Frakin phone double posts whenever it feels like it.

ESO

NO!

When Brandon Banks no longer deserves a roster spot, he will no longer have one.

markshark84 wrote: This is just unreal.

Judging by the posts between you and ATX, I can tell you right now I do not have nearly enough time to dedicate to this discussion. But here is my brief response.

BB is our PR and is listed as a WR. We have 8 WRs on the team -- BB being one of them. He is listed low on our WR depth chart -- meaning he doesn't play at WR due to his position on the chart -- I think you may have assumed or overanalyzed a bit too much of what I was saying. If people got injured, he'd play WR. He made the team primarily due to his returning abilities, but that doesn't mean he is not a WR. All returners have positions other than as a return specialist, so I am not sure why BB wouldn't either.

But lets get real here -- does this discussion even matter??? And please read all my posts, I did say he deserves the spot for now. I never said he didn't. I have no idea what you are trying to prove other than the fact that you love to argue over things that don't matter..... Come to think of it -- you have a career in politics ahead of you!!!!

Thanks for the compliment about the politics, but I did that in a prior life and am done with it. I do sometimes let it spill over where it shouldn't be. I do love to argue, so you are right about that as far as the love of the argument.

Over things that don't matter? We all have our perspective on things - what matters to one may not matter to other.

Did I get carried away? Yes. I apologize to you for that.

Yes, ATX and I have been going at it and that did carry over. ATX is a good guy and though we go at it, I have come to respect the guy more from trading barbs with him. It seems that you rather not do that, so I will no longer go there with your posts.

Here's where I took umbrage with what you are saying.

markshark84 wrote:

Now, I personally do not think he has done anything to say that he has proven that it was a smart move to carry 8 WRs while only having 7 OLs, but I don't think he has done anything that would make me ask that he be cut or released. But as he been "that much better" this season??? Who knows.

Sure you say that he deserves a spot, but take a closer look at this quote of yours.

I personally do not think he has done anything to say that he has proven that it was a smart move to carry 8 WRs while only having 7 OLs

Do the the key returns in the first two games count for "anything?" Sure we squandered one with the blocked FG, but he set us up pretty in the Card game just before the half. He had an 18 yd average for punt returns against the Giants and a huge return that would have gone all the way except for a nasty face mask. He got credit for 35 yards, but 15 was added for the penalty.

Where has having 7 OL hurt this team? Can provide some support for this statement.

But as he been "that much better" this season???

This season? It has only been 4 games and in two games he had key returns. That is half of the games so far.

Why are you raising questions after 4 games in which, two, he did what he was given a roster spot to do? He darn near scored on one of them except for the facemask penalty.

Who Knows.

Those of us who have analyzed the video of his returns know that the blocking for him in the last two games was atrocious.

So you tell me, why are you raising this question without giving consideration for the lack of the blocking that he had in the last two games?

Anyways, I don't expect you to respond to my questions. I just wanted to let you I did read all of your posts and how I find disagreement with you on you position on Banks. Again, no hard feelings, I could have handled it much better.

Thanks for not using the entire quote that time.

Deadskins wrote:Thanks for not using the entire quote that time.

Don't encourage it lol

I assume the horse is dead ... just a little more post padding.

Thanks,

DarthMonk

The Hogster wrote:

When Brandon Banks no longer deserves a roster spot, he will no longer have one.

BTW - Banks is currently listed as follows on the team depth chart:

WR - Other

PR - 1st

KR - 1st

DarthMonk

DarthMonk wrote:BTW - Banks is currently listed as follows on the team depth chart:

WR - Other

DarthMonk

That's because he's not a WR

DarthMonk wrote:BTW - Banks is currently listed as follows on the team depth chart:

PR - 1st

DarthMonk

Tied with Darren Sproles at 17th

DarthMonk wrote:BTW - Banks is currently listed as follows on the team depth chart:

KR - 1st

DarthMonk

Ranked 37th in a 32 team League

Nothing to shout about, but what would they do with the roster spot? More importantly who will replace Banks on the returns, and how do we know they will avg more than 23.9 yards per KR and 9.3 yards per PR?

I didn't think he should or would earn a spot on the final 53 during camp, but he did. I was a little surprised when he made the roster. To date he hasn't done much then again he has done nothing to lose that spot that he earned back in the summer.

What does this all say about our overall talent level?

DarthMonk

1niksder wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:BTW - Banks is currently listed as follows on the team depth chart:

WR - Other

DarthMonk

That's because he's not a WR

DarthMonk wrote:BTW - Banks is currently listed as follows on the team depth chart:

PR - 1st

DarthMonk

Tied with Darren Sproles at 17th

DarthMonk wrote:BTW - Banks is currently listed as follows on the team depth chart:

KR - 1st

DarthMonk

Ranked 37th in a 32 team League

Nothing to shout about, but what would they do with the roster spot? More importantly who will replace Banks on the returns, and how do we know they will avg more than 23.9 yards per KR and 9.3 yards per PR?

I didn't think he should or would earn a spot on the final 53 during camp, but he did. I was a little surprised when he made the roster. To date he hasn't done much then again he has done nothing to lose that spot that he earned back in the summer.

yes he might be the only way we score or cross mid field

The Hogster wrote:Bottom line is this:

1) Banks is a Top Kickoff & Punt Returner.
2) He is listed also as a WR
3) He probably won't play any at WR barring disaster or a gadget play.
4) He doesn't have to do anything else other than return Kickoffs and Punts to deserve a spot.
5) No other WR who does both Kickoff & Punt returns catches many passes if ANY.
6) All of you who don't understand this are haters--simply looking for something to criticize.

HTTR

Right on maibrutha!

DarthMonk

By kicking away from Banks, teams give up field position. This value will never show up in the stats, but the coaches cherish it.


*New York punter Steve Weatherford consistently showed respect for Redskins returner Brandon Banks by kicking near or out of bounds.

http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redsk ... eedID=6355

who the hell is Ryan O'Hallahan?

I thought you were posting something cool like a punter quote. Not some d-rated reporters one line opinion.

ATX_Skins wrote:who the hell is Ryan O'Hallahan?

I thought you were posting something cool like a punter quote. Not some d-rated reporters one line opinion.

Sounds Irish.

Hope no one takes offense ... or maybe I do.

DarthMonk

Hey, Brandon caught a pass in week 17. Does that officially mean he's a WR and a kick returner?

Just thought I'd stir the pot on this again.

I think that it means that he is a kick returner who caught a pass, but his nullified 59 yard TD qualified him as a running back and his TD pass to Moss qualified him as a QB. All of that together makes him unofficially a SLASH!.

Nullified 59 yarder as a RB? Was it a reverse? I saw the one but not a TD run. I'd like to see more wildcat and the such utilizing his speed. Wildcat formation snap it to RGIII who is lined up shoty beside banks under center and have BB run an easy deep route stuff like that to keep the D honest when he comes out.. Might run throw or catch gotta utilize that kinda stuff
BB is a keeper change the title please

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Nullified 59 yarder as a RB? Was it a reverse? I saw the one but not a TD run. I'd like to see more wildcat and the such utilizing his speed. Wildcat formation snap it to RGIII who is lined up shoty beside banks under center and have BB run an easy deep route stuff like that to keep the D honest when he comes out.. Might run throw or catch gotta utilize that kinda stuff
BB is a keeper change the title please

I was just being silly about the RB. The nullified TD run was the reverse against the Vikings. He did score but it was called back because of the holding call alegedly by Darell Young.

Shanny's plan before Banks hurt his knee was to get him the ball more often much like he was used at Kansas State.

Crap I missed. He Vikes game jus caught mist of it on the Radio... That's good to hear I'm glad he got in just to have it brought out like seems to be the damn norm.
He had another reverse vs the smeagles or is it... Maybe I'm set tripn