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I actually don't think they believe he's lazy or out of shape or even injured to the point he can't be effective. I won't comment on the stupid part until, I can determine if DM is changing Kyle's plays on purpose or not. But I believe Kyle thinks he's either stupid or disobedient, and that's the real reason they pulled him.

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CanesSkins26 wrote:

I actually don't think they believe he's lazy or out of shape or even injured to the point he can't be effective. I won't comment on the stupid part until, I can determine if DM is changing Kyle's plays on purpose or not. But I believe Kyle thinks he's either stupid or disobedient, and that's the real reason they pulled him.

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+15. this is the heart of the argument

chiefhog44 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I actually don't think they believe he's lazy or out of shape or even injured to the point he can't be effective. I won't comment on the stupid part until, I can determine if DM is changing Kyle's plays on purpose or not. But I believe Kyle thinks he's either stupid or disobedient, and that's the real reason they pulled him.

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+15. this is the heart of the argument

You do realize he was quoting me, don't you Chief?

chiefhog44 wrote:+15. this is the heart of the argument

I think Kyle pulled McNabb as a combination of that McNabb didn't have a great game and had been slowed by injuries and he'd worked with Rex for two years and wanted to try out all the effort they'd put into it. While none of the reasons they stated were clear admissions of that, all of them revolved around it. He was trying to defuse it by staying simple. While it didn't work, trying to explain the multiple reasons together wouldn't have either. He was screwed either way. Everything he said got blown up and the consistency of the story was ignored. It was a young coach mistake who didn't realize the reaction he'd get. And DC is the worst there outside NY. This whole thing is just overblown.

chiefhog44 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I actually don't think they believe he's lazy or out of shape or even injured to the point he can't be effective. I won't comment on the stupid part until, I can determine if DM is changing Kyle's plays on purpose or not. But I believe Kyle thinks he's either stupid or disobedient, and that's the real reason they pulled him.

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+15. this is the heart of the argument

Uh yes. It's the heart of the argument right?

chiefhog44 wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I actually don't think they believe he's lazy or out of shape or even injured to the point he can't be effective. I won't comment on the stupid part until, I can determine if DM is changing Kyle's plays on purpose or not. But I believe Kyle thinks he's either stupid or disobedient, and that's the real reason they pulled him.

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+15. this is the heart of the argument

Uh yes. It's the heart of the argument right?

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with yourself???

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:+15. this is the heart of the argument

I think Kyle pulled McNabb as a combination of that McNabb didn't have a great game and had been slowed by injuries and he'd worked with Rex for two years and wanted to try out all the effort they'd put into it. While none of the reasons they stated were clear admissions of that, all of them revolved around it. He was trying to defuse it by staying simple. While it didn't work, trying to explain the multiple reasons together wouldn't have either. He was screwed either way. Everything he said got blown up and the consistency of the story was ignored. It was a young coach mistake who didn't realize the reaction he'd get. And DC is the worst there outside NY. This whole thing is just overblown.

This had or has nothing to do with the DC press blowing anything out of proportion ... the locals actually played softball with Shanahan. It was the other 50 States in the union ... all of the network sports shows, TV & Radio that were buzzing about this .... and still are.

But I agree with you that the driving force behind the benching was Kyle's dissatisfaction with McNabb's performance and his relationship with Rex that convinced him that Rex would do a better job in that situation. That's obvious. What is not obvious is how Kyle could chew gum and walk at the same time and still come to that conclusion.

But more importantly, unless the two Shanahans had already decided amongst themselves that McNabb was simply not going to be part of the long term plan for this team, pulling a stunt like that, and disrespecting McNabb in such a manner shows a disturbing lack of wisdom from Kyle, and his father.

McNabb's reaction to this situation has been very graceful, but don't think he wasn't seething inside because there wasn't a sideline outburst or confrontation ... or candid response to media questions afterward. McNabb took the highroad, which is typical for him. And it would be a naive error to accept McNabb's declarations at face value that the entire issue is behind them. He was disrespected and embarrassed by his coaches ... and indirectly insulted afterward by the lame explanations given for the decision made. And that is not nearly as insignificant as you are attempting to paint it.

Some analysts believe that the relationship is damaged beyond repair, and that McNabb will not re-sign with the Redskins at the end of the season. Personally, I think it's too early to assume that is the case, and that will be decided in the next two or three weeks, depending on how things play out, and what the Shanahans do or don't do to repair the relationship. If they do nothing, or continue to put the brunt of the blame on McNabb for continuing offensive problems ... then that may be case.

I really don't have a clue about Shanahan 1 & 2 at this point. Given the bone headed decision they made, who knows what they might do in the future. I don't think you can put anything past them at this point, nor do I think anyone can assume that they actually acknowledge to themselves the disastrous error they made. Do the actually regret making the decision itself ... or do they simply regret the explanations given afterward?

That's going to determine whether or not the relationship can be mended.

RayNAustin wrote:This had or has nothing to do with the DC press blowing anything out of proportion ... the locals actually played softball with Shanahan. It was the other 50 States in the union ... all of the network sports shows, TV & Radio that were buzzing about this .... and still are.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the DC press at this point. I live in Carolina and the Redskins are still big here. It was discussed on Monday and pretty much died out by Tuesday. So I don't buy it's a big national issue. Sure, everyone's aware of it. But it's not being beaten outside DC. I agree with you Kyle screwed up and McNabb has taken the high road. But everyone makes mistakes and anyone desperately trying to keep the story going full flame at this point isn't doing it out of support for the team but their own agenda. It's fine to do that, but it's fine to point it out for what it is too.

RayNAustin wrote:Some analysts believe that the relationship is damaged beyond repair

Please, this is pure begging the question. It's not even established or is there any real reason to believe the relationship needs repair. These people are professionals and Kyle made a mistake. Statements like this are just overboard. As long as Kyle learns from this McNabb would have to be a total Cutleresque prima-donna to hold a grudge. And we know McNabb is actually not a Cutleresque prima-donna.

RayNAustin wrote:I don't think you can put anything past them at this point, nor do I think anyone can assume that they actually acknowledge to themselves the disastrous error they made

Again with the hyperbole. Kyle ran the #1 NFL offense last year. That's just so far more important a consideration then making a mistake. Sorry Ray, the Skins aren't going to fall apart over this. And continuing to try to fan the flames isn't going to work much longer and we're just in day 4.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:This had or has nothing to do with the DC press blowing anything out of proportion ... the locals actually played softball with Shanahan. It was the other 50 States in the union ... all of the network sports shows, TV & Radio that were buzzing about this .... and still are.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the DC press at this point. I live in Carolina and the Redskins are still big here. It was discussed on Monday and pretty much died out by Tuesday. So I don't buy it's a big national issue. Sure, everyone's aware of it. But it's not being beaten outside DC.

Well, it's still being talked about on ESPN, NFL Network, and FOX Sports, and I'm sure they'll be all over it before our Monday night game, so it IS still being talked about in the national media.

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:This had or has nothing to do with the DC press blowing anything out of proportion ... the locals actually played softball with Shanahan. It was the other 50 States in the union ... all of the network sports shows, TV & Radio that were buzzing about this .... and still are.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the DC press at this point. I live in Carolina and the Redskins are still big here. It was discussed on Monday and pretty much died out by Tuesday. So I don't buy it's a big national issue. Sure, everyone's aware of it. But it's not being beaten outside DC.

Well, it's still being talked about on ESPN, NFL Network, and FOX Sports, and I'm sure they'll be all over it before our Monday night game, so it IS still being talked about in the national media.

I understand. It's not gone, but my point is it keeps dying down and we're only just past half way through the first week. It was a big issue on Monday, every day it dies down. It's not on ESPN's front page and the controversy's not directly on the NFL page, but there is a story McNabb's practicing the 2 minute drill for the first time in 6 weeks. The media loves negative Redskin stories because it's easy press and they like easy. Ray likes it because he hates the Redskins. But fans are moving on and the country's rapidly losing interest. Kyle made a mistake, but he's in his 30s it's going to happen. McNabb survived all those years in Philly, the city that booed him when they drafted him and never stopped. This is nothing.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:It has EVERYTHING to do with the DC press at this point. I live in Carolina and the Redskins are still big here. It was discussed on Monday and pretty much died out by Tuesday. So I don't buy it's a big national issue. Sure, everyone's aware of it. But it's not being beaten outside DC.

You're wrong ... but then again, that doesn't surprise. The DC media has been much lower key than the national media ...

Here's Boomer on SI and his take .... nobody in the Washington DC media is saying anything this strong:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/behind ... r_redskins

KazooSkinsFan wrote: I agree with you Kyle screwed up and McNabb has taken the high road. But everyone makes mistakes and anyone desperately trying to keep the story going full flame at this point isn't doing it out of support for the team but their own agenda. It's fine to do that, but it's fine to point it out for what it is too.

As always, when someone doesn't agree with you, they have an agenda, or they aren't a true fan ... they don't have the team's best interests in mind ... yada, yada, yada. It's the same old tactic ... and it's fine to do that, but it's fine to point it out for what it is too ... a tactic ... and old.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Please, this is pure begging the question. It's not even established or is there any real reason to believe the relationship needs repair. These people are professionals and Kyle made a mistake. Statements like this are just overboard. As long as Kyle learns from this McNabb would have to be a total Cutleresque prima-donna to hold a grudge. And we know McNabb is actually not a Cutleresque prima-donna.

Has Kyle or Mike Shanahan admitted benching McNabb was a mistake? Do you have some news that I'm not aware of? Seems to me that part of the controversy was them making up excuses for why they did it, rather than say it was a mistake.

The above clip of Boomer isn't the only ex-QB/Analyst that thinks it was a relationship damaging event .... Trent Green also said he would have been FURIOUS had they done something like that to him. And there are others ... actually ... most of the ex-player/analysts universally agree on this point ... it's not just something I PERSONALLY DREAMED UP.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Again with the hyperbole. Kyle ran the #1 NFL offense last year. That's just so far more important a consideration then making a mistake. Sorry Ray, the Skins aren't going to fall apart over this. And continuing to try to fan the flames isn't going to work much longer and we're just in day 4.

Correction, Kyle ran an offense that was #1 in pass, #30 in run, 4th in yards, and 10th in points per game. And this year, Houston is pretty much the same without him ... EXCEPT they're now 6th in rushing instead of 30th.

And the issue won't be OVER until McNabb is signed to a contract beyond this year, or Rex takes over and proves how much better he is.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Well, it's still being talked about on ESPN, NFL Network, and FOX Sports, and I'm sure they'll be all over it before our Monday night game, so it IS still being talked about in the national media.

I understand. It's not gone, but my point is it keeps dying down and we're only just past half way through the first week. It was a big issue on Monday, every day it dies down. It's not on ESPN's front page and the controversy's not directly on the NFL page

I wasn't talking about the internet, I was talking about television, and it's still being talked about there whenever NFL programming is on, and certainly will be until the Monday Night Football game is over, and depending on McNabb's performance, maybe even longer.

Correction, Kyle ran an offense that was #1 in pass, #30 in run, 4th in yards, and 10th in points per game. And this year, Houston is pretty much the same without him ... EXCEPT they're now 6th in rushing instead of 30th.

With Kyle they were #1 in passing offense. Without him, they are now 11th. Also, Schaub's numbers across the board are down, including qb rating, completion %, yards per attempts, yards per game, and td-int ratio. Last year Schaub had 29 td's and 15 int's. This year it's 10 and 7, respectively.

So yes, their running game has improved from 92.2 ypg last year to 136.5 this year, but it's not accurate to say that the every part of their offense is the same as last year only with an improved running game. Interestingly, with their running game producing more yards, their time of possession is actually down by about 3 minutes from last year to this year.

RayNAustin wrote:As always, when someone doesn't agree with you, they have an agenda, or they aren't a true fan ... they don't have the team's best interests in mind ... yada, yada, yada. It's the same old tactic ... and it's fine to do that, but it's fine to point it out for what it is too ... a tactic ... and old

Actually, the only one I say isn't a fan is you Ray. You have no kindness and no forgiveness for the Skins, you grab onto every negative story and take it to the extreme and grind it to the ground. You indict the Skins. You're not even a judge, you're the prosecutor. If you can once just read any of your page long anti-Redskin rants unbiasedly in this thread and you'll recognize the truth of the dearth of kindness or support for your supposed team. It's not there. I gave a good example with my friend crazyhorse. Very, very negative, but he's not relishing in his dire analysis of our situation. Only you do that. You love it. You feed on it. You hate the Redskins. You're the only one who does that. I mean besides Cowboy fans who admit they hate us.

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Well, it's still being talked about on ESPN, NFL Network, and FOX Sports, and I'm sure they'll be all over it before our Monday night game, so it IS still being talked about in the national media.

I understand. It's not gone, but my point is it keeps dying down and we're only just past half way through the first week. It was a big issue on Monday, every day it dies down. It's not on ESPN's front page and the controversy's not directly on the NFL page

I wasn't talking about the internet, I was talking about television, and it's still being talked about there whenever NFL programming is on, and certainly will be until the Monday Night Football game is over, and depending on McNabb's performance, maybe even longer.

It's not on the radio either. My pressman listens to sports radio much of the day, the press is a lonely place. I asked him after our prior discussion when the last he'd heard about the McNabb story and he said "Monday."

As for TV, granted I don't watch much other then the actual games. But my claim was it's overblown and is going to quickly die out, not that it already has. That it's still on TV doesn't prove that wrong and it's hard to believe it'll keep going on there if they're not interested in other media.

I do agree with your comment though that events Monday could revive the story. My view's based on no new developments it continues to die as the small story blown out of proportion it is. Then again nobody does overblown hype like the TV media.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I understand. It's not gone, but my point is it keeps dying down and we're only just past half way through the first week.

You mean 2nd week don't you? And this is my point ... you don't know what you are talking about.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:It was a big issue on Monday, every day it dies down. It's not on ESPN's front page and the controversy's not directly on the NFL page, but there is a story McNabb's practicing the 2 minute drill for the first time in 6 weeks. The media loves negative Redskin stories because it's easy press and they like easy.

The national media just sits and waits for bad press on the Redskins, while ignoring the other 31 teams aye?

KazooSkinsFan wrote: Ray likes it because he hates the Redskins. But fans are moving on and the country's rapidly losing interest. Kyle made a mistake, but he's in his 30s it's going to happen. McNabb survived all those years in Philly, the city that booed him when they drafted him and never stopped. This is nothing.

Ray attended his first Redskin game in 1963, and I've always been a true fan .... 47 years and still going.

And McNabb was never insulted by his coaches in Philly, as has happened here recently. Unfortunately, even though most of the Redskin fans are smart enough to know it was the coaches who screwed up, and not the player, some fans, and apparently coaches too, don't think it was a big deal.

I'm a fan of the team (players) ... not the coaches ... which is the difference between you and me.

You'd rather have Kyle Shanahan running the offense, even if that makes Grossman the QB ... I'd rather have McNabb as the QB, and could live without an unproven 30 year old who works for Daddy.



I was attending games long before Kyle Shanahan was born, and I think the Redskins would survive better without Kyle, rather than without McNabb. McNabb is far more important to the team ... if you are a fan of the team, that is.



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RayNAustin wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I understand. It's not gone, but my point is it keeps dying down and we're only just past half way through the first week.

You mean 2nd week don't you? And this is my point ... you don't know what you are talking about

True, the week off. Wow, you nailed me. I can never show my face in public again. Well done Ray. The second week, yes, that means the story will go on forever. It's completely different, by the second week there is no end. I know nothing, I was thinking it was the last game and didn't take into account the off week. I'm an idiot, knowledgeless, clueless, completely unaware of my surroundings. Are you happy now?

RayNAustin wrote:The national media just sits and waits for bad press on the Redskins, while ignoring the other 31 teams aye?

I said the media is "lazy." Logically Ray that means they wouldn't ignore any story, they just pursue the easy ones. That doesn't mean they ignore the 31 teams, it means they wouldn't, they'd pursue any lazy story. Your post's not only illogical it's contra-logic to derive a desired conclusion instead of a logical one. By definition that would be an "agenda."

RayNAustin wrote:Ray attended his first Redskin game in 1963, and I've always been a true fan .... 47 years and still going

You can go to as many games as you want. That doesn't change a dearth of kindness or support for the team and jumping on and propelling each and every anti Skins story, treating hyperbole as fact and begging the question as you ask questions and make statements that assume our guilt as the basis of deeper attacks. Maybe you hate them less then you hate every other team, that doesn't make you a fan.

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Well, it's still being talked about on ESPN, NFL Network, and FOX Sports, and I'm sure they'll be all over it before our Monday night game, so it IS still being talked about in the national media.

I understand. It's not gone, but my point is it keeps dying down and we're only just past half way through the first week. It was a big issue on Monday, every day it dies down. It's not on ESPN's front page and the controversy's not directly on the NFL page

I wasn't talking about the internet, I was talking about television, and it's still being talked about there whenever NFL programming is on, and certainly will be until the Monday Night Football game is over, and depending on McNabb's performance, maybe even longer.

I live in D.C. This has been covered every day here AND nationally. As a matter of fact, I just watched coverage of it during the lead-in coverage of tonight's. Thursday night game. In fact, all of the so-called "leaks" regarding the team having to cut the playbook in half were to Chris Mortenson on ESPN. This story is on ESPN and NFL Network daily. This has been the most we've been on nationally since the first Philly game.

If McNabb goes out and plays well and we win, it will probably begin to fizzle. But, if he stinks it up and we lose, then we will likely hear more permutations of this story both locally and nationally.

The Hogster wrote:If McNabb goes out and plays well and we win, it will probably begin to fizzle. But, if he stinks it up and we lose, then we will likely hear more permutations of this story both locally and nationally.

A reasonable prediction

The Hogster wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Well, it's still being talked about on ESPN, NFL Network, and FOX Sports, and I'm sure they'll be all over it before our Monday night game, so it IS still being talked about in the national media.

I understand. It's not gone, but my point is it keeps dying down and we're only just past half way through the first week. It was a big issue on Monday, every day it dies down. It's not on ESPN's front page and the controversy's not directly on the NFL page

I wasn't talking about the internet, I was talking about television, and it's still being talked about there whenever NFL programming is on, and certainly will be until the Monday Night Football game is over, and depending on McNabb's performance, maybe even longer.

I live in D.C. This has been covered every day here AND nationally. As a matter of fact, I just watched coverage of it during the lead-in coverage of tonight's. Thursday night game. In fact, all of the so-called "leaks" regarding the team having to cut the playbook in half were to Chris Mortenson on ESPN. This story is on ESPN and NFL Network daily. This has been the most we've been on nationally since the first Philly game.

If McNabb goes out and plays well and we win, it will probably begin to fizzle. But, if he stinks it up and we lose, then we will likely hear more permutations of this story both locally and nationally.

I was listening to 660 the FAN, a NY sports station, today at work and there were a lot of people calling in to talk about the McNabb situation. Would be great if McNabb could come out, play well, and quiet all this talk.

Although I don't agree with all Ray is saying, I think his points are right.

If you've been happy with this team, this franchise for the past 10+ years, I can see why you would be upset with his criticism. The rest of us realize that the Snyder era has been a disgrace to JKC era. Our front-office has been a circus to the point that we're the most popular team in the national media because of all the drama.

Second, the argument in here about whether or not the Shanahan has handled McNabb correctly really isn't an argument outside of this board. The best you can find are excuses on best intentions not of how it turned out. No one thinks that this negative press is good for the club or the Shanahans.

It seems only Skins fans who CHOOSE to still believe in the Shanahans, seem to offload the blame solely on McNabb (perhaps like what this thread suggests Mike does) so that you don't have to face up to what might be the real issue.

You may have faith that things will turn around, but face it, both father and son have made some major mistakes. The idea that you're going to install a pass first, pass deep offense with a line that can't hold is crazy, and they haven't adjusted after 8 games? The Lions made that adjustment against us after one half. Whether McNabb deserves a little or a lot of blame, the coaching staff definitely deserves a lot. Coaching is putting the players YOU HAVE, in the best position to succeed. When you sometimes don't play your best players, you better make sure that your system works with the players you CHOOSE to put on the field. By that measure, Kyle and Mike's offense have been terrible.

How about the 4 wins you say? Well I think that has been mainly due to the D. I'm pleasantly surprised with Haslett. After the Houston game, he has changed, he has played AH, he has put in some 4-3 packages, he has become less aggressive and predictable with his blitzes. You can argue that Mike S had something to do with, but my guess is not since similar things haven't happened on the other side of the ball.

dlc wrote:Although I don't agree with all Ray is saying, I think his points are right

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It seems only Skins fans who CHOOSE to still believe in the Shanahans, seem to offload the blame solely on McNabb (perhaps like what this thread suggests Mike does) so that you don't have to face up to what might be the real issue

I appreciate your comments, well chosen and voiced even if I don't agree with all your opinions. But on the second point, I think Kyle made a mistake, McNabb was irked, it's pretty much a non issue now except for the media and the fans who chose to keep it one. It's not that big a deal as long as the mistake doesn't happen again. That option isn't covered in your choices.

dlc wrote:Although I don't agree with all Ray is saying, I think his points are right.

If you've been happy with this team, this franchise for the past 10+ years, I can see why you would be upset with his criticism. The rest of us realize that the Snyder era has been a disgrace to JKC era. Our front-office has been a circus to the point that we're the most popular team in the national media because of all the drama.

Second, the argument in here about whether or not the Shanahan has handled McNabb correctly really isn't an argument outside of this board. The best you can find are excuses on best intentions not of how it turned out. No one thinks that this negative press is good for the club or the Shanahans.

That's a fact ... you cannot find many around the league that view this as anything less than inexplicable ... with most calling it an outright blunder.

dlc wrote:It seems only Skins fans who CHOOSE to still believe in the Shanahans, seem to offload the blame solely on McNabb (perhaps like what this thread suggests Mike does) so that you don't have to face up to what might be the real issue.

You may have faith that things will turn around, but face it, both father and son have made some major mistakes. The idea that you're going to install a pass first, pass deep offense with a line that can't hold is crazy, and they haven't adjusted after 8 games? The Lions made that adjustment against us after one half. Whether McNabb deserves a little or a lot of blame, the coaching staff definitely deserves a lot. Coaching is putting the players YOU HAVE, in the best position to succeed. When you sometimes don't play your best players, you better make sure that your system works with the players you CHOOSE to put on the field. By that measure, Kyle and Mike's offense have been terrible.

Exactly. When analyzed in proper perspective, taking into account all of the variables, McNabb has done more to contribute to the wins than he has to the losses. Though it would less than honest to give him a high grade, I'd say it's just as dishonest to grade him poorly. He's shined in some areas ... such as leading the league in big plays, 11th in yards ... but has failed he's to put up the most important numbers ... TDs. And no doubt he's missed some opportunities in that regard, but he hasn't had the protection or the running game to support him, so this is a combination of failures. He's had some TDs dropped ... and he's been harassed ... and the offensive system and play calling hasn't managed to establish a ball control type passing game ... it seems to be big play or bust, and we haven't seen much in the way of adjusting ... especially in game adjustments. First halfs seem to go much better than second halfs ... and that is a sign that defenses are making better adjustments than our offense does ... that's the Coach being out-coached.

dlc wrote:How about the 4 wins you say? Well I think that has been mainly due to the D. I'm pleasantly surprised with Haslett. After the Houston game, he has changed, he has played AH, he has put in some 4-3 packages, he has become less aggressive and predictable with his blitzes. You can argue that Mike S had something to do with, but my guess is not since similar things haven't happened on the other side of the ball.

For the most part, that is correct. I'd say it's been a mix, though heavily tilted toward the defense winning ballgames. All four wins, the defense held opponents to 14 points or less, and that is outstanding. However, we lost a 17 point lead against Houston, and that should never happen. And though the defense played well at times, we couldn't stop the Colts (though few manage to stop Peyton Manning).

Although, three of the four losses, the offense scored 24 or more points, and if you score 24, 25 and 27 points, you should win those games.

One thing is certain, we haven't managed to put complete games together, where the offense and defense are both executing. It seems that when one is playing well the other doesn't.

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:This had or has nothing to do with the DC press blowing anything out of proportion ... the locals actually played softball with Shanahan. It was the other 50 States in the union ... all of the network sports shows, TV & Radio that were buzzing about this .... and still are.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the DC press at this point. I live in Carolina and the Redskins are still big here. It was discussed on Monday and pretty much died out by Tuesday. So I don't buy it's a big national issue. Sure, everyone's aware of it. But it's not being beaten outside DC.

Well, it's still being talked about on ESPN, NFL Network, and FOX Sports, and I'm sure they'll be all over it before our Monday night game, so it IS still being talked about in the national media.

Not here in Chicago...at all, but will probably be hyped again come Monday pre-game

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:If McNabb goes out and plays well and we win, it will probably begin to fizzle. But, if he stinks it up and we lose, then we will likely hear more permutations of this story both locally and nationally.

A reasonable prediction

McNabb could play well and we might still lose

OR

Mcnabb could play badly and we might win

fact is - I don't think it bothers the players or the coaches as much as some here and in the media think OR would like

In my opinion, the only thing that can get this to affect what the players and coaches do is IF McNabb is benched in the coming weeks - other than that, no matter what some here think or predict is happening I happen to think there are a lot of people (like Ray) just looking for some dirt, just because that's how they want it to be


i'd like to see a win this week but going 8-8 or 9-7 and still having McNabb as the QB means that all of this was just a big hype job

the benching was a mistake and the words were stupid and misguided BUT that's all it was