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KazooSkinsFan wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:I don't think LA is a good example bruh. They didn't ask LA to change his position, they just wanted him not to wander from it. LA ALWAYS worked hard and definitely always played hard which is something FatBoy doesn't want to do. Getting tossed around by 2nd/3rd string doesn't look good when your a starter. Everyone can say what they want and try to dog Shanahan but I don't want Fatboy in the game if he's going to deliberately blow our chance to beat the cows. If it was another team, whatever man, but not this game.. heck no.

I agree, they are extremely different. Arrington's issues were being out of position and doing stupid things to hurt the team like late hits. But he busted his butt in practice. Totally different then AH

Good points by both of you. And there were several years where Arrington was by far the best player on the team.

http://twitter.com/dhellie/status/23947258527

"Latest on #Haynesworth. #Redskins want a 2nd rounder, #Titans only want to give up a 4th."

What a freakin mess. This has turned out to be

Jake wrote:http://twitter.com/dhellie/status/23947258527

"Latest on #Haynesworth. #Redskins want a 2nd rounder, #Titans only want to give up a 4th."

Aren't we a litlle bit lucky that we have guys like Allen & Shanahan making these decisions - can you imagine what dumb and dumber would have done by now?

SkinsJock wrote:

Jake wrote:http://twitter.com/dhellie/status/23947258527

"Latest on #Haynesworth. #Redskins want a 2nd rounder, #Titans only want to give up a 4th."

Aren't we a litlle bit lucky that we have guys like Allen & Shanahan making these decisions - can you imagine what dumb and dumber would have done by now?

Yes, I do. But this is not an X-rated forum. So, let's keep it PG.

SkinsJock wrote:

Jake wrote:http://twitter.com/dhellie/status/23947258527

"Latest on #Haynesworth. #Redskins want a 2nd rounder, #Titans only want to give up a 4th."

Aren't we a litlle bit lucky that we have guys like Allen & Shanahan making these decisions - can you imagine what dumb and dumber would have done by now?

Yeesh.

A 2nd sounds very fair. I think TN is hoping that we just want to dump him no matter the cost. Smart moves by Shanahan and Allen.

The more I've thought about it, the more I think that Haynesworth is on the losing end of this deal the longer the situation drags on.

Back in the summer, time was on Haynesworth's side. He was happy to miss as much training and practice as he could, feeding his own selfish desires. And if anyone complained about it, he had a string of excuses he could pull out: oh, that camp isn't mandatory; just you wait, I'll show up in good condition; it's really not fair that I'm the ONLY guy running this test; well now my knee is hurt; it's preseason, so I don't really care about these games . . . Through training camp, Haynesworth was able to garner some favor with the media (and the public) because Shanny looked like a hardass who was holding a grudge. Players have repeatedly said that Haynesworth is still great and won't have any trouble playing to his full potential.

All along, I suspect Haynesworth was really hoping for a trade. Just something to get him out of a situation that he let spiral out of control.

But as we've drawn closer to the season, his time has run short, and Shanahan knows it. It's put-up-or-shutup time when Dallas comes to town, and if Haynesworth isn't ready for it, or even has a bad game, it's going to reflect terribly on how he's handled everything. Because the fact is, results on Sunday are the only thing that matters in this league. Haynesworth could get by being a jerk in the offseason because he's historically showed up on Sunday. But now he's really leveraged himself on that reputation (instead of continuing to show his skills and work ethic), and a lot of that "capital" has been consumed by his being a team cancer.

So if he can't be bothered to show us something special against Dallas (of all opponents) then his stock is going to sink very low, very fast. He won't have a leg to stand on when it comes to these petty power struggles, and unless he submits a little to Shanahan and his coaching staff, neither will he be able to make much money when he leaves the team next year.

So I really think that Shanahan has played this extremely well. He has looked a little too demanding at times, but if Haynesworth doesn't show up to play on Sunday he will have no one to blame but himself.

SkinsJock wrote:

Jake wrote:http://twitter.com/dhellie/status/23947258527

"Latest on #Haynesworth. #Redskins want a 2nd rounder, #Titans only want to give up a 4th."

Aren't we a litlle bit lucky that we have guys like Allen & Shanahan making these decisions - can you imagine what dumb and dumber would have done by now?

This never would have happened because Haynesworth would have gone around the coach to the owner, the owner would have overruled the coach, and the team would be back where it was last year.

Irn-Bru wrote:The more I've thought about it, the more I think that Haynesworth is on the losing end of this deal the longer the situation drags on.

Back in the summer, time was on Haynesworth's side. He was happy to miss as much training and practice as he could, feeding his own selfish desires. And if anyone complained about it, he had a string of excuses he could pull out: oh, that camp isn't mandatory; just you wait, I'll show up in good condition; it's really not fair that I'm the ONLY guy running this test; well now my knee is hurt; it's preseason, so I don't really care about these games . . . Through training camp, Haynesworth was able to garner some favor with the media (and the public) because Shanny looked like a hardass who was holding a grudge. Players have repeatedly said that Haynesworth is still great and won't have any trouble playing to his full potential.

All along, I suspect Haynesworth was really hoping for a trade. Just something to get him out of a situation that he let spiral out of control.

But as we've drawn closer to the season, his time has run short, and Shanahan knows it. It's put-up-or-shutup time when Dallas comes to town, and if Haynesworth isn't ready for it, or even has a bad game, it's going to reflect terribly on how he's handled everything. Because the fact is, results on Sunday are the only thing that matters in this league. Haynesworth could get by being a jerk in the offseason because he's historically showed up on Sunday. But now he's really leveraged himself on that reputation (instead of continuing to show his skills and work ethic), and a lot of that "capital" has been consumed by his being a team cancer.

So if he can't be bothered to show us something special against Dallas (of all opponents) then his stock is going to sink very low, very fast. He won't have a leg to stand on when it comes to these petty power struggles, and unless he submits a little to Shanahan and his coaching staff, neither will he be able to make much money when he leaves the team next year.

So I really think that Shanahan has played this extremely well. He has looked a little too demanding at times, but if Haynesworth doesn't show up to play on Sunday he will have no one to blame but himself.

On the one hand I agree. On the other hand, the Redskins' hand isn't all that strong because we don't really have very many legit options on the DL other than Hayneswroth (when he is actually trying). A starting tro of Carriker, Kemo, and Golston is going to struggle. Those guys like bad in the preseason, especially Kemo, and the backups don't exact bring much to the table either.

Irn-Bru wrote:The more I've thought about it, the more I think that Haynesworth is on the losing end of this deal the longer the situation drags on.

I really think that Shanahan has played this extremely well. He has looked a little too demanding at times, but if Haynesworth doesn't show up to play on Sunday he will have no one to blame but himself.

CanesSkins26 wrote: ... the Redskins' hand isn't all that strong because we don't really have very many legit options on the DL other than Hayneswroth (when he is actually trying). A starting trio of Carriker, Kemo, and Golston is going to struggle. Those guys looked bad in the preseason, especially Kemo, and the backups don't exactly bring much to the table either.

I think that Haslett will get as much out of Haynesworth as he can BUT Hayneworth will ONLY be on the field when Jim feels that he will help

I don't fully agree with your point about the other players, but that is really not as important because, in my opinion, Haslett is playing the best defensive line and packages that he thinks helps his defense - if Haynesworth is not on the field then that is because Haslett thinks the other guys will do better, end of story - Haslett will not let this fat tub hurt his defense

this is a very big game and Haynesworth not being ready is entirely his own fault and hopefully the crowd shows him how they feel about what he has (OR has NOT) done to get ready to play

Irn-Bru wrote:Through training camp, Haynesworth was able to garner some favor with the media (and the public) because Shanny looked like a hardass who was holding a grudge. Players have repeatedly said that Haynesworth is still great and won't have any trouble playing to his full potential

It's win-win for Shanny. If Haynesworth doesn't play well as you point out Haynesworth looks bad, and if Haynesworth plays well and dominates Dallas's O line no one will be happier.....than.....Mikey.

Win either way for the guy in charge. And for Haynesworth, if he sucks to your point he looks bad and if he plays well he just doesn't look bad, there is no win in this mess for him.

CanesSkins26 wrote:On the one hand I agree. On the other hand, the Redskins' hand isn't all that strong because we don't really have very many legit options on the DL other than Hayneswroth (when he is actually trying). A starting tro of Carriker, Kemo, and Golston is going to struggle. Those guys like bad in the preseason, especially Kemo, and the backups don't exact bring much to the table either.

Danny thought of that by cleverly making sure the Cap expired and he could walk away from this and the rest of his cap messes. Then he hired Shannahan to go forward with a clean slate. Devious, but ingenious it was for Danny actually he's a moron who stumbled into it...

SkinsJock wrote:this is a very big game and Haynesworth not being ready is entirely his own fault and hopefully the crowd shows him how they feel about what he has (OR has NOT) done to get ready to play

The one thing Hasslet needs to do better then Blanche is to plan for the tub of lard to not be ready to play the whole game. Blanche played him until he got winded and sat down on is fat butt or went to the sideline and panted. Haslett needs to move him in and out so we have him on the field on critical plays and not on the sidelines like he always was for Blanche.

I thought it was interesting that after last night's game, Costas and Collingsworth had a little chat previewing Sunday's game and they didn't mention Haynesworth once. They talked about Dallas' line having issues, they talked about Mcnabb and Shanahan and the new regime, but not a peep about AH. I kept waiting for the "and of course the situation with Albert Haynesworth....blah, blah, blah" But it never came.

I'm not sure what to make of it other than they were hyping up the game and didn't want to sour it by the controversy. Or the rest of the country's either bored with it or moved on. Either way, it was nice.

I'm ready to judge on performance this Sunday. I hope to hell all our hand wringing is for naught and big fat Al punches Romo in the mouth a bunch of times.

I agree with kaz - I look for Haslett to rotate this guy in and out a bunch to try and maximize his presence - ALL BECAUSE this fat tub never worked very hard to get into shape

I could care less if he NEVER touches Romo as long as he's able to help the guys that are in football shape do their job and hit that QB a bunch of times

every defense would be better if EVERY player was in the best condition they could be in - this guy's selfish approach to getting ready this season has hurt this defense - HOPEFULLY Haslett can find a way to maximize lard butt's time, because he's not as ready to play as he should be

I could care less what is good or bad about the pukes O line - this defense needs to just do their job
HOPEFULLY Haynesworth can help and not hurt by being on the field, albeit not as often as we all would like

Just heard on espn980 that AH might (or maybe likely, can't remember) be inactive for Sunday and that he's been practicing with the scout squad.

ChrisHanburger wrote:Just heard on espn980 that AH might (or maybe likely, can't remember) be inactive for Sunday and that he's been practicing with the scout squad.

I'm sorry Chris - I have no doubt that you heard this but I just think there's a lot of mis-informed media coming up with anything they can about this whole situation

SkinsJock wrote:

ChrisHanburger wrote:Just heard on espn980 that AH might (or maybe likely, can't remember) be inactive for Sunday and that he's been practicing with the scout squad.

I'm sorry Chris - I have no doubt that you heard this but I just think there's a lot of mis-informed media coming up with anything they can about this whole situation

No apologies necessary. I was just passing it along and its the first I'd heard any inkling of this being a possibility. They sounded pretty certain, but then again I don't listen to these guys very often (I'm streaming from Boston) and don't have a history to gauge how good their sources are or if they're rumor mongers.

Still, like I've been saying all along. WE can all speculate as much as we want, but it don't mean &@#$ until the playing's done Sunday night.

SkinsJock wrote:

ChrisHanburger wrote:Just heard on espn980 that AH might (or maybe likely, can't remember) be inactive for Sunday and that he's been practicing with the scout squad.

I'm sorry Chris - I have no doubt that you heard this but I just think there's a lot of mis-informed media coming up with anything they can about this whole situation

The comments about AH practicing on the scout team came from Chris ey on his morning radio show today.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

ChrisHanburger wrote:Just heard on espn980 that AH might (or maybe likely, can't remember) be inactive for Sunday and that he's been practicing with the scout squad.

I'm sorry Chris - I have no doubt that you heard this but I just think there's a lot of mis-informed media coming up with anything they can about this whole situation

The comments about AH practicing on the scout team came from Chris ey on his morning radio show today.

and CC was spoken to about releasing this to the media - I think that this is not being 'reported' correctly

no worries -although this should be added - from Inside the Redskins

Coach Mike Shanahan apparently often used backups and occasionally starters on the scout team.
So using Albert Haynesworth in this role probably isn't a big deal to him

PLUS - this team does not at present have a lot of DL to use on the scout team

again - we should take this with a grain of salt - I think that Haynesworth plays but is obviously not ready to start and probably is only used in special packages designed to get the most from him and also not tax his lack of conditioning too much

I predict AH playes starting in the third series. Then taking over the game, double teams open up Orakpo and Carter. He wont start for a few games but will always get time and by the postseason will be in the best shape of his life helping drive a superbowl quality defense.

TincoSkin wrote:I predict AH playes starting in the third series. Then taking over the game, double teams open up Orakpo and Carter. He wont start for a few games but will always get time and by the postseason will be in the best shape of his life helping drive a superbowl quality defense.

That's a great story. I like the one about the hobbit and the evil ring too...

ChrisHanburger wrote: I hope to hell all our hand wringing is for naught and big fat Al punches Romo in the mouth a bunch of times.

This I could see happening. He's matured from stomping on heads to punching in the mouth. Seems about right. He'd still get ejected. No one would be surprised to see this behavior from him.

SnyderSucks wrote:

ChrisHanburger wrote: I hope to hell all our hand wringing is for naught and big fat Al punches Romo in the mouth a bunch of times.

This I could see happening. He's matured from stomping on heads to punching in the mouth. Seems about right. He'd still get ejected. No one would be surprised to see this behavior from him.

well that's about as stupid an image as I could imagine - are we being a little over the top here?

this guy's an embarrassment but .....

SkinsJock wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

ChrisHanburger wrote:Just heard on espn980 that AH might (or maybe likely, can't remember) be inactive for Sunday and that he's been practicing with the scout squad.

I'm sorry Chris - I have no doubt that you heard this but I just think there's a lot of mis-informed media coming up with anything they can about this whole situation

The comments about AH practicing on the scout team came from Chris ey on his morning radio show today.

and CC was spoken to about releasing this to the media - I think that this is not being 'reported' correctly

no worries -although this should be added - from Inside the Redskins

Coach Mike Shanahan apparently often used backups and occasionally starters on the scout team.
So using Albert Haynesworth in this role probably isn't a big deal to him

PLUS - this team does not at present have a lot of DL to use on the scout team

again - we should take this with a grain of salt - I think that Haynesworth plays but is obviously not ready to start and probably is only used in special packages designed to get the most from him and also not tax his lack of conditioning too much

If I paid AH $48 million for four years work (reports always list it at $100 million) and he took the summer off after his first year, I'd have every right to work him with the scout team, he'd work with the starters too, there are no DL on the practice squad but for what he's getting paid he can cover that too.

Journalist would rather spent their time getting the facts from twitter, than getting the facts by actually verifying rumors and trying to get to the root of the subject.

ey said what he said and the first thing to go Nationwide was quotes by him to create/prolong a non-story. These people knew that Haynesworth received practice reps in the team's nickel packages, but that wouldn't go well with what the sources close to the situation has been putting out there.

The two facts together make it sound like a guy working his way back into the lineup, and why should anyone report that. If they did they would have to mention he had performed so well in the role on the scout team that Mike Shanahan and Jim Haslett congratulated him in front of his teammates.

If things keep going the way they are twitter might need to be shut down. In just the past week the have been killing their creditability trying to be first in stead of getting it right. We all know about Haynesworth being inactive for the season opener, the same guy that's being shopped around regardless of the fact that Redskins GM Bruce Allen said on Sept. 7th that he had nothing to report on Haynesworth. Team's stance is unchanged: aren't trying to trade him.

So this guy is not being traded and the team is about to face a divisional foe that will be missing one of it's starting guards, a starting tackle and a backup tackle, it's the perfect time to not get your money's worth out of him.

Before we even reach for that grain of salt lets remember the track record of these people/sources these twtt's and Bloggers are reporting.

On Sept 9th Tom Brady was involved in a car crash later that day he signed a 4 year extension. It was breaking news 3 days ago that he had a three year deal in place at that time.

Brady is a big time QB so info might be hard to come by sometimes, but how can they explain Byron Westbrook being on the Redskins 53 man roster this weekend when it was reported that he was cut on Tuesday. Maybe he turn off his cellphone all week because 21 other guys got calls on Saturday and he didn't.

TJ Houshmandzadeh signed with the Viking although he never spoke to them, later he narrowed his choice down to the Redskins or the Raiders.... right before he signed with the Ravens.

They say Mike Wise got in trouble when he used twitter to start a false story as a joke to see who would run with it. The truth is he got in troble for letting on that he made it up. There were a few news sources that ran with that story. Why no one thought to follow up on a report by a guy in DC, about the starting QB in Pittsburgh


They say you should always have two sources for every story....

Jason Reid wrote: But NFL teams are prohibited from "trading money," according to two people familiar with the situation. Teams cannot send any money to the Redskins to spur a trade.

Isn't that going to far? there might be two people that read this that wouldn't be familiar with the situation.