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Maximoral wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:I think a lot of guys are confused here about Banks. Yes he is small, and because of that YES he may be a 5th or 6th receiver, most likely 6th.

The issue here isnt how well he will play WR but how much upside does he bring to the team on KR and PR. If you can get away with keeping him at 6th, then he will most likely never see the field during a series.

Where can you keep a skill player without having to make him a vital part of the game plan?

Yeah, how many times did Rock Cartwright see the field as a RB? We kept him on the roster as a STer, not for his running abilities. Desmond Howard made a career as a return man, so don't tell me teams won't keep a player just to return kicks and punts.

The difference is that Banks wont return kicks, only punts. He hasn't returned a single kick in the two preseason games. If you look at who is getting the opportunities, Keiland Williams, Austin, and Thomas appears to be battling for the kick returner job. I don't think that they keep both Austin and Banks, and considering that Austin can return both kicks and punts, I think that he wins the job in the end.

I think we keep:
Thomas
Kelly
Moss
Galloway
Austin
Armstrong

Who said that Banks won't return KO's? He just hasn't had the opportunity yet.
Galloway goes.

There is no evidence to suggest that Banks is going to return kicks. None whatsoever.

Well what do you know, Banks returns the opening KO of the Jets game. Is that enough evidence?

And a fine job he's done tonight...

Haha! Yeah, maybe if he were a little bigger and stronger it wouldn't have been so easy to separate him from the ball!

You got a point there Max! You'll gonna go hungry tonight because you won't be eating your earlier words.

Red_One43 wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:I think a lot of guys are confused here about Banks. Yes he is small, and because of that YES he may be a 5th or 6th receiver, most likely 6th.

The issue here isnt how well he will play WR but how much upside does he bring to the team on KR and PR. If you can get away with keeping him at 6th, then he will most likely never see the field during a series.

Where can you keep a skill player without having to make him a vital part of the game plan?

Yeah, how many times did Rock Cartwright see the field as a RB? We kept him on the roster as a STer, not for his running abilities. Desmond Howard made a career as a return man, so don't tell me teams won't keep a player just to return kicks and punts.

The difference is that Banks wont return kicks, only punts. He hasn't returned a single kick in the two preseason games. If you look at who is getting the opportunities, Keiland Williams, Austin, and Thomas appears to be battling for the kick returner job. I don't think that they keep both Austin and Banks, and considering that Austin can return both kicks and punts, I think that he wins the job in the end.

I think we keep:
Thomas
Kelly
Moss
Galloway
Austin
Armstrong

Who said that Banks won't return KO's? He just hasn't had the opportunity yet.
Galloway goes.

There is no evidence to suggest that Banks is going to return kicks. None whatsoever.

Well what do you know, Banks returns the opening KO of the Jets game. Is that enough evidence?

And a fine job he's done tonight...

Haha! Yeah, maybe if he were a little bigger and stronger it wouldn't have been so easy to separate him from the ball!

You got a point there Max! You'll gonna go hungry tonight because you won't be eating your earlier words.

Ya might, rabbit. Ya might.

Who helped their chances tonight?
Who hurt their chances?

I think today showed that Galloway is on this team.

You could say Thomas only b/c he doesn't show up anywhere on the stat sheet. Same for Roydell. Banks improved the 2nd half but had an awful 2nd half. Armstrong had some ST tackles and one catch for 10 yds. So who knows.

We'll know a lot more come Tuesday.

Based on the interview that they just did with Armstrong on NBC it sounds like he is the #3 receiver at this point. I think that his spot on the team is pretty safe. Also looks like Galloway is going to be on the team.

Banks had a mixed review tonight. It is clear that they are looking hard at him. They let him return KO's. They had him running lot's of routes. He showed that he can catch. He showed that he is durable and didn't get hurt even on the KO. I think it comes down to what the Shanahans think they can do with him this season.

The fumble hurt, but at least he didn't just drop the ball. It ws stripped which even happens to the big guys.

Banks is not fumble prone.

My thinking on Banks is that he's so fast that you design plays for him just like they do in SD for Sproiles. Yes I know that they play different positions but if you have talented players who can help your team win, how can you let him go.

I think there's a lot in common between Banks and this kid Dexter McCluster in KC.

Here is Ryan O'Halloran's (CSNwashington.com) 6 WR's as of Thursday:

Today: Moss, Galloway, Thomas, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin and Brandon Banks.
Analysis: Who knew that leaving Malcolm Kelly off the roster two months ago would seem somewhat accurate? He hasn’t practiced since the first day of training camp. Furrey’s concussion sent him to injured reserve, Armstrong has been a standout, Banks has shown burst on punt returns and Austin survives as a depth guy.

His list matches mine. I should be a staff writer.

Malcolm Kelly will be worked this week. There is press that both Shanahans love him... I have a feeling that , if he doesn't embarrass himself this week, he makes the team... just my gut.

That probably leaves Brandon Banks out... so, unless they keep him just for teams, he's gone. I love his speed, and I love his fight... but he needed to pull down that pass that he was called for PI on last night... if he stays with the pattern, and doesn't divert to lean on the CB, he probably pulls that down, and is off... and locks a position down. Is that correctable? Sure... but, he won't clear wavers to make it to the practice squad. Some team will claim him. That's too much speed to ignore.

Cuts-
Hodge- done nothing.
Wade- ditto.
Kelly- I'm done with him.

Keep:
Moss- It's obvious.
AA- best hands, best route runner, ST.
Galloway- ?
R.Williams- ?
Thomas- needs to step up in game 4.

Banks- KR/PR always a threat to take it to the house.
game 1- PR for a TD
game 2- awsome catch for 25-30yrds.
game 3- nice screen pass for big gain.

Austin- I know he was a draft pick but what has he shown? not that good at KR/PR and has not caught many passes. I'd put him on the PS.

Keep:

Moss - Still a stud
Armstrong - This guy is a diamond in the rough
Galloway - True Vet, he runs the best routes out of our WRs
Thomas - He sucks but we are vested in him, and hopefully he can get better
Austin/Banks - Flip a coin
Kelly - Like thomas we are vested in him

If WR's come free midseason, we might ditch Kelly or Thomas and sign a proven Vet. Hopefully, LJ or Fast Willie will have a monster year and Shanny/Allen will deal them out for a good WR. Hopefully lol

Here is Tracee Hamilton's take on the WR issue in her article about Anthony Armstrong

She has:

Armstrong
Moss
Galloway
Banks
Williams
Thomas

Austin - She thinks the Skins will keep him, but for her -Practice Squad
Kelly - She thinks the Skins will keep but she would cut him

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03133.html

Kelly is going to play this week and will start practicing tomorrow.

and will probably make the team, unless he plays himself off... because word is, the Shanahans both love him.

He has such great tools... if he can just stay healthy...

I won't hold my breath.

If you have that much talent, you've got to take 100% care of yourself. Massages, stretches, strengthening, etc. He needs to understand that this is his job and he needs to work at it year around. It doesn't need to be physical year around but his body is going to need work year around.

I really love what he can offer to our team and I hope that he can put it together this week. Even if he get's hurt again, he needs to battle through it if possible.

Red_One43 wrote:List your six choices.

Here are mine:

Santana Moss - need I say anything
Joey Galloway - still has the speed
Devin Thomas - too great of an upside
Anthony Armstrong - great OTA's, great camp and great game performance
Brandon Banks - Hestor lookout!
Terrence Austin - Pretty good receiver now and can return kicks

I like Roydell Williams, but no room
I like Malcom - IR (if some how he gets on the field and impresses - revisit this list should that happen)
I like Shay Hodge - Practice Squad

Malcom to the IR - I called that one.

Upon further review, I can't remember what I said before but I'm not changing my mind Whoever I picked before will make the team because I said so. With that nonsense being said, GO SKINS WR CORP!

langleyparkjoe wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:Anthony Alridge??? Don't you mean Anthony Armstrong?

I think Banks makes it as a special teamer and a receiver. Malcolm Kelly is cut.

Moss
Armstrong
Austin
Thomas
Williams
Banks

Yea this is pretty much what I got as well. I don't know why people like Galloway so much, I haven't seen him do anything to make me say wow, he should be our #2 guy.

Langleyparkjoe, here is your original post stating that you like the above list. Has your opinion changed on Galloway as #2 guy?

Red_One43 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:List your six choices.

Here are mine:

Santana Moss - need I say anything
Joey Galloway - still has the speed
Devin Thomas - too great of an upside
Anthony Armstrong - great OTA's, great camp and great game performance
Brandon Banks - Hestor lookout!
Terrence Austin - Pretty good receiver now and can return kicks

I like Roydell Williams, but no room
I like Malcom - IR (if some how he gets on the field and impresses - revisit this list should that happen)
I like Shay Hodge - Practice Squad

Malcom to the IR - I called that one.

Missed it by one, but I did say I liked Roydell Williams
Still looking for Shay for the PS, but their could be another young receiver that was cut that they might like
Austin dfeinitely to the PS unless he signs elsewhere

- Charley Taylor

- Bobby Mitchell

- Roy Jefferson

- Art Monk

- Ricky Sanders

- Gary Clark

All available right now. Nobody said they had to play last year. Could any of this year's crowd break into the Immortal Six?

Grrrrrrr

welch wrote:- Charley Taylor

- Bobby Mitchell

- Roy Jefferson

- Art Monk

- Ricky Sanders

- Gary Clark

All available right now. Nobody said they had to play last year. Could any of this year's crowd break into the Immortal Six?

Grrrrrrr

Got goosebumps reading those names. To answer your question, "no, not even Moss breaks into this "6;" however, I think we can win with these guys. We went to the second round in the play-off for the 2005 season with Moss and "what's their names?"

Red_One43 wrote:

welch wrote:- Charley Taylor

- Bobby Mitchell

- Roy Jefferson

- Art Monk

- Ricky Sanders

- Gary Clark

All available right now. Nobody said they had to play last year. Could any of this year's crowd break into the Immortal Six?

Grrrrrrr

Got goosebumps reading those names. To answer your question, "no, not even Moss breaks into this "6;" however, I think we can win with these guys. We went to the second round in the play-off for the 2005 season with Moss and "what's their names?"

Moss does hold a special place in my heart for the two TD receptions in the final five minutes that fateful Monday night in the toilet bowl.

Deadskins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

welch wrote:- Charley Taylor

- Bobby Mitchell

- Roy Jefferson

- Art Monk

- Ricky Sanders

- Gary Clark

All available right now. Nobody said they had to play last year. Could any of this year's crowd break into the Immortal Six?

Grrrrrrr

Got goosebumps reading those names. To answer your question, "no, not even Moss breaks into this "6;" however, I think we can win with these guys. We went to the second round in the play-off for the 2005 season with Moss and "what's their names?"

Moss does hold a special place in my heart for the two TD receptions in the final five minutes that fateful Monday night in the toilet bowl.

You're so right. I could watch those clips endlessly.