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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:48 pm
by crazyhorse1
Countertrey wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:My understanding on Allen and his time in TB is that when he was brought in, he was in cap hell. He managed to fix the cap but there were huge restrictions placed on him by ownership where even if the cap were say $100m, he could only spend say $80m.


That's my understanding, as well... he then took the hit for the owner's cheapness.

If Snyder has demonstrated anything, it is that he will not be pinching pennys. If Allen doesn't succeed, it's won't be because the owner was too cheap to spend.


Whatever the reason, Allen does not have particularly good credentials as a football guy. His experience is extremely limited and his record is much less than impressive. There's no reason at all to think he packs weight enough to push Synder into doing anything or that he knows what to do in relation to building a team. Snyder is saving Allen's football bacon and probably just using Allen's name to keep us quiet. It should mean absolutely nothing to us that Allen is George Allen's son, but, unfortunately, it does. I suspect we're dupes and Snyder is pulling a fast one. Allen is primarily an administrator. He's not his father.

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:56 pm
by crazyhorse1
chiefhog44 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote: Apparently Allen is very good with the cap, but not as great on talent evaluation and general personnel matters.


Says who? Come on dude. I'm not letting any negativity seep into this hire.


He's telling it straight. Allen has no rep for evaluating personnel at all and very little experience as a player (he was a punter for the University of Richmond). I'm not sure of this, but I don't think he's ever coached and has only his brief stay at Tampa Bay to list as a credential for this job. Note: he was fired at Tampa Bay, probably because of his record, which was undistinquished. From what I hear, he's primarily an administrator. Snyder will have him for lunch.

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:45 am
by Redskin in Canada
crazyhorse1 wrote:Snyder will have him for lunch.

I have seen you say this at least one more time in this board. I do not see how you can be so sure about this because it is possible that Bruce Allen is part of a bigger deal, which may still bring a personnel guy (Doug Williams or one of our own currently with Ravens) and a Team President/HC. In other words, it is probably very early to make a determination one way or another with respect to whether Snyder will have a main say on all football operations.

My approach is cautious. I am not ready to express an opinion until I have further elements and time to assess whether a new management and management style are in place or not.

We will learn pretty soon (as early as next year) whether Snyder still meddles on issues he is ignorant about or not.

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:34 am
by KazooSkinsFan
SkinsJock wrote:That all being said it's almost impossible to believe that Snyder will give up complete control here and that is my only concern - I am just nervous after all his wheeling and dealing over the past 10 years and especially after how he's treated Zorn this year, that that snake is up to something and he will not let go

This isn't the right way to think of it from a management perspective. I own two businesses and have a deal in place to buy a third targeted to close in January or February, I'm doing the due diligence now. Most of my career before that was in GE management where I ran large projects and organizations and in management consulting and I learned how to manage effective teams or I'd have not continued to move up in those environments. These statements are both true in effective management:

1) My not showing up for work does not impact the effectiveness of my businesses. They do not need me there to perform
2) I am clearly in charge of my businesses and they would not perform without me.

Obviously on 1 I don't mean I don't need to ever show up. But that I could not show up at any particular time or even at times for an extended period. I'm also always available if needed.

The first one has to be true since I can't be at multiple businesses all the time. The trick is to find the right people from a performance side and create an environment they can thrive. Then let them run things to your point. But they have clear objectives and parameters, like how much money they can spend on their own. If they need me I drop everything and am there. I set those things up.

My point with Snyder is you can't look at it as a tree where he's the top of the tree. Allen is the top of the tree. Snyder is the whole tree, which means setting up the tree in the right way to thrive and then mostly letting the tree do what trees do and just stepping in when necessary.

I'm not really arguing with you, I'm just saying this whole concept of turning over the reins if flawed because he should neither turn them over nor not turn them over. The reins are Allen's and Snyder's but in different ways. Turning them over would be fatally flawed because the guy who signs the checks doesn't have the final say, it would never work. But Allen should be free to operate in set parameters and know when to get Snyder involved.

What scares me is that after his horrible decision making this year after doing this for a decade that Snyder is clueless as to what his role is as well. Apparently he can micromanage an organization, what he can't do is lead one and he's showing no sign of getting that.

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:23 pm
by SkinsJock
Just to clarify - I have changed my thoughts on this - I do think that we need to let things settle down here - I am still very nervous about Snyder BUT I am cautiously optimistic that Snyder may have decided to let go and let Bruce Allen and others come in here and manage this franchise

I am going to take a wait and see approach - I think that what has happened this season may have caused Snyder to try and give these new guys a chance - I do think that he will have some input but I am going to wait and see how much of that is interfering and how much is just trying to help these new guys get things turned around

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:45 pm
by Redskin in Canada
KazooSkinsFan wrote:But Allen should be free to operate in set parameters and know when to get Snyder involved.

The key of this statement being of course ...

... What are those parameters?

One can argue that the same concept already applied to Vinny. He could operate under "certain" parameters.

I agree with you that Daniel Snyder will always be involved. But as opposed to others, I feel that the only extent to which he must be involved is to pick a GM and a President. Once those choices are made, ALL OTHER football decisions should be made by those GM and HC, with a veto at the most on his part but no more.

I confess that his psychologic profile does not point in the right direction to assume that he will necessarily accept this scenario. But I feel that the sports and economic failure of this year may have taught him something about stepping back at least in part. IMHO, the more he steps back, the greater the success of the organization.

He can keep all the business side of the operation, marketing, merchandise, TV, Radio, Stadium management etc. While this is not necessarily great for the fan who attends games at FedEx, the performance of the Team will not be hurt on the field.

ONLY problem is ... his EGO may not tolerate this scenario for long or at all. :cry:

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by langleyparkjoe
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