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Campbell is done. Too bad the coaching staff doesn't realize it.

grampi wrote:Campbell is done. Too bad the coaching staff doesn't realize it.

Why, they aren't giving up on the season now? We should fall on a sword? What would that accomplish? He's still our best option and while we (fans) can state our view now, the coaching staff can't or they would be giving up on the season.

right on Kaz - what some here are proposing is amazing - if a coach were to basically "give up" on a player (or a coach) after the first game of the season, he would never be hired again - just as well some of these posters have a day job (at least I hope they do) because they could never make it as a coach in the NFL with those ethics - nobody would play for them

they have to be venting - they cannot be serious

SkinsJock wrote:right on Kaz - what some here are proposing is amazing - if a coach were to basically "give up" on a player (or a coach) after the first game of the season, he would never be hired again - just as well some of these posters have a day job (at least I hope they do) because they could never make it as a coach in the NFL with those ethics - nobody would play for them

they have to be venting - they cannot be serious

First game? Are you joking? It's been five years, my friend. Campbell is obviously a bust. I think people across the league must think the Redskins management must be on some sort of drugs for keeping Campbell in this long. As for the posters here who continue to make excuses for Campbell - who knows why?

Campbell is NOT our best chance to win at this point. Collins proved that he is the better QB with this team, and a better solution to win next Sunday. Naturally, at 38 he is no long term solution - a long term solution is Danny finds another hobby and a competent GM builds a solid O-Line and stops throwing away money like it's confetti.

RayNAustin I feel your pain - how do you argue facts with people who don't want to know facts?

old-timer wrote:... - a long term solution is Danny finds another hobby and a competent GM builds a solid O-Line and stops throwing away money like it's confetti.

I disagree with you and those who feel that JC must be benched now. I do not feel we have a franchise or truly competent QB in the roster. I do not feel that we would be in a better position with any of the other alternatives available today at QB.

BUT ... I wholeheartedly AGREE with the above statement. THAT is the root of the problem. We are where we are due to lack of leadership and talent at the top of the food chain.

Redskin in Canada wrote:BUT ... I wholeheartedly AGREE with the above statement. THAT is the root of the problem. We are where we are due to lack of leadership and talent at the top of the food chain.

Vinny couldn't spot talent at the Pro Bowl.

RedskinsFreak wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:BUT ... I wholeheartedly AGREE with the above statement. THAT is the root of the problem. We are where we are due to lack of leadership and talent at the top of the food chain.

Vinny couldn't spot talent at the Pro Bowl.

Vinny makes even Matt Millen look good. I have no idea why he is still here. Probably because he is the only GM in the NFL that will do anything his owner tells him --- including who to pick. He's like Dan Synder's little golden retreiver.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

old-timer wrote:... - a long term solution is Danny finds another hobby and a competent GM builds a solid O-Line and stops throwing away money like it's confetti.

I disagree with you and those who feel that JC must be benched now. I do not feel we have a franchise or truly competent QB in the roster. I do not feel that we would be in a better position with any of the other alternatives available today at QB.

BUT ... I wholeheartedly AGREE with the above statement. THAT is the root of the problem. We are where we are due to lack of leadership and talent at the top of the food chain.

You think Campbell is our best chance to win? Did you see that play where it was 3rd and a mile and he audibled to AN OFF-TACKLE RUNNING PLAY - because he didn't want to get killed??? He should have been benched after THAT PLAY! The sad thing is, he won't - he's penciled in for the rest of the season regardless of how bad he plays.

Does anyone here remember SONNY JURGENSON? He played like an all-Pro on a PATHETIC Redskins team - even with a lousy team his talent stood out - if Campbell was any good we would know it by now, regardless of the poor hand he was dealt (and it has been poor - I'm the first to admit that).

Redskin in Canada wrote:

old-timer wrote:... - a long term solution is Danny finds another hobby and a competent GM builds a solid O-Line and stops throwing away money like it's confetti.

I disagree with you and those who feel that JC must be benched now. I do not feel we have a franchise or truly competent QB in the roster. I do not feel that we would be in a better position with any of the other alternatives available today at QB.

BUT ... I wholeheartedly AGREE with the above statement. THAT is the root of the problem. We are where we are due to lack of leadership and talent at the top of the food chain.

You think Campbell is our best chance to win? Did you see that play where it was 3rd and a mile and he audibled to AN OFF-TACKLE RUNNING PLAY - because he didn't want to get killed??? He should have been benched after THAT PLAY! The sad thing is, he won't - he's penciled in for the rest of the season regardless of how bad he plays.

Does anyone here remember SONNY JURGENSON? He played like an all-Pro on a PATHETIC Redskins team - even with a lousy team his talent stood out - if Campbell was any good we would know it by now, regardless of the poor hand he was dealt (and it has been poor - I'm the first to admit that).

markshark84 wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:BUT ... I wholeheartedly AGREE with the above statement. THAT is the root of the problem. We are where we are due to lack of leadership and talent at the top of the food chain.

Vinny couldn't spot talent at the Pro Bowl.

Vinny makes even Matt Millen look good. I have no idea why he is still here. Probably because he is the only GM in the NFL that will do anything his owner tells him --- including who to pick. He's like Dan Synder's little golden retreiver.

Bingo! And it also gives Danny plausible deniability with the fans, e.g., "VINNY IS NOW 'DIRECTOR OF PRO FOOTBALL OPERATIONS' - THAT'LL GIVE ME A FEW MORE YEARS TO FOOL THE FANS INTO THINKING THAT SOMEONE WITH AN ACTUAL (IF DEBATABLY SUCCESSFUL) PRO FOOTBALL BACKGROUND IS RUNNING THE TEAM...AND NOT ME PLAYING FANTASY FOOTBALL....

Vinny will be around just as long as he is useful to Danny for running interference with the fans and media.

old-timer wrote:You think Campbell is our best chance to win? Did you see that play where it was 3rd and a mile and he audibled to AN OFF-TACKLE RUNNING PLAY - because he didn't want to get killed??? He should have been benched after THAT PLAY! The sad thing is, he won't - he's penciled in for the rest of the season regardless of how bad he plays.

I know you're not the only person who's said this, so I don't mean to single you out despite the fact that this is the post I was quoting.

But did anybody here watch Cowboys-Ravens last year at the end of the season?

As a refresher:

1-10-BAL 23 (3:42) 23-W.McGahee up the middle for 77 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
# 1-10-BAL 18 (1:33) 33-L.McClain right tackle for 82 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

When 9-10 defenders are in the box, all it takes is one hole and the back's got a free run at the end zone.

Besides. At that point in the game, who on the Skins was going to beat press coverage?

Campbell didn't have a great day, and there's no point in pretending otherwise. But acting like there's more than a handful of QBs who would have done better, and fabricating criticism like this... seriously, what's the point? Does it make you feel good to feel bad about a loss like this?

Paralis wrote:

old-timer wrote:You think Campbell is our best chance to win? Did you see that play where it was 3rd and a mile and he audibled to AN OFF-TACKLE RUNNING PLAY - because he didn't want to get killed??? He should have been benched after THAT PLAY! The sad thing is, he won't - he's penciled in for the rest of the season regardless of how bad he plays.

I know you're not the only person who's said this, so I don't mean to single you out despite the fact that this is the post I was quoting.

But did anybody here watch Cowboys-Ravens last year at the end of the season?

As a refresher:

1-10-BAL 23 (3:42) 23-W.McGahee up the middle for 77 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
# 1-10-BAL 18 (1:33) 33-L.McClain right tackle for 82 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

When 9-10 defenders are in the box, all it takes is one hole and the back's got a free run at the end zone.

Besides. At that point in the game, who on the Skins was going to beat press coverage?

Campbell didn't have a great day, and there's no point in pretending otherwise. But acting like there's more than a handful of QBs who would have done better, and fabricating criticism like this... seriously, what's the point? Does it make you feel good to feel bad about a loss like this?

I thought my point was obvious - it was a really bad play call, and it looked to me as if Campbell simply chickened out because, as we all know or should know, there's not a defensive back in the league who is afraid of Campbell's deep ball, because he hasn't got any to worry about. As far as your contention that I'm 'fabricating criticism' and presumably arguing in bad faith - well you know where you can stick that. And 'acting like there's more than a few good QB's that could have done better' - what the heck is that? I'm supposed to take your utterly unsupported opinion that Campbell is better than most QBs as fact, and such gospel truth that anyone who fails to pay immediate homage to it can only be 'acting'? Get real.

Vinny is Clueless! I dont expect Malcom Kelly or Devin Thomas to do anything this year, and Fred Davis is a big waste! The skins will not win many football games until they put a real football guy in the front office!

old-timer wrote:I thought my point was obvious - it was a really bad play call, and it looked to me as if Campbell simply chickened out because, as we all know or should know, there's not a defensive back in the league who is afraid of Campbell's deep ball, because he hasn't got any to worry about.

And that's what I mean when I say "fabricating criticism." On Sunday, three Skins plays went for more than 20 yards--the first carry by Portis, the fumbled snap, and the coverage breakdown against Randle El. Of those three plays, on that day, against that defense, which was the most likely to be repeatable?

More generally, I think it's disingenuous to criticize a playcall by its outcome rather than its probability of success. If there's a reason why the play couldn't work, I'd love to hear it, but this "it's Jason Campbell's fault Santana Moss couldn't beat man coverage" thing is getting kinda tired.

VetSkinsFan wrote: So you base your theory on a 38yo QB who's never even played a whole season from 5 games a few years ago? Don't deal with statistics (not NFL tackle recap, but REAL statistical studies) much do you? I wouldn't bet the farm on that small sample size, but you keep harping on LESS THAN a season. After all, If we want to use such small sample sizes, didn't JC go 6-2 in the first 8 games last year?

No, I base my theory on the fact that Campbell's performance is so consistently mediocre that Collins COULDN'T DO MUCH WORSE. I base it on the fact that Campbell has NEVER played 4 good games in a row in his entire career.

And I'd like to correct you ... Campbell didn't go 6-2 ... the Redskins went 6-2 in the first 8 games ... the majority of which would be more accurately described as a combination of Portis leading the NFL in rushing, and a defense that played extremely well. Campbell played decently in three of those 8 games (games 2,3,4) ... the rest was vintage Campbell ... mediocre to virtually no help at all.

Not true? Oh yes ... in game 5 against Philly, Campbell was 16-29 176 yards and ZERO TDs. (Very pedestrian numbers at just over 50% comp, and no points). How did we win? The Redskins rushed for over 200 yards against Philly's #1 ranked defense against the run (they had only given up a total of 215 yards rushing in their previous 4 games combined). In fact, 2008 saw a number of games in which the Redskins ran for more yards than Campbell passed for. Go look it up.

Guess what happened in game 6 ? We lost to the lowly Rams .. Campbell ZERO TD's, Portis 130 yards rushing

Game 7 ? Campbell 167 yards 1 TD, Portis 175 yards rushing and we scored only 14 points ?????? We won 14-11 against a very poor Cleveland Browns ... barely ... by defense only.

Game 8 - Campbell padded the passing stats (328 yards) against the Power House Lions but only ONE TD while almost living in the red zone all game long. Suishy kicked 5 FG, and made 4 of them. Totally inept performance from Campbell in the red zone which demonstrates how useless yards passing stats are when they're all made between the 20's, only to stall and miss TD opportunities. We barely made it out of there with a win ... we could have easily been the Lions ONLY WIN LAST YEAR. We were lucky the defense stopped the Lions final drive.

Of course, things got worse, as we all know in the second half of the year, but the underlying problems were already painfully evident (Campbell) as previously defined, even in the games they won. Most of what happened in the second half of the year was not a lack of support from Campbell's team mates as is so often misrepresented, but more like a team that was injured and could no longer compensate for Campbell's inability to make plays with his arm. Portis was totally worn out .. injuries on the o-line prevented them from being able to produce 175-200 yards rushing like they were able to in the first 8 games .. and a defense that had to play so hard most games, they were gassed by the middle of the 4th Q.

Remember 1 of those wins in that 2-6 stretch was against Philly again? We won 10-3. A Baseball score. Think Campbell should take credit for that one TOO? Or would you be gracious enough to say that we would have gone 1-7 had it not been for a super human defensive effort that almost shut out the Eagles?

VetSkinsFan wrote:Let's use small sample sizes for an agenda.

I'm not saying JC's the answer, but I'm saying that Collins is not.

I know that is what you're saying. And I'm sure you believe that. But apparently, "hindsight is NOT 20/20" in this case. That's what I find rather remarkable. Who is it that really has the "agenda" here?

You're not saying JC is the answer, but you're so sure Collins is not ... why?

Let me remind you about that 4 game losing streak in 2007. I was saying back then that the Redskins needed to make a switch at QB ... if only temporary .. to jump start the offense. Of course I was out of my mind then too. After all, Saunders obviously new what Collins was capable of, and their judgement was that Campbell gave the Redskins the best chance to win. That was the argument then, just as you argue now. And they would have stuck with Campbell then too, but THEY WERE FORCED to make a change, and look what happened. Collins proved that he IN FACT gave the Redskins the best chance of winning, and he did it very convincingly. Of course, all of the arguments and excuses for Campbell's lack of production immediately reversed, and the excuses for why Collins was successful came like a tidal wave ... none of which would entertain the idea that Collins was simply better ... no-no-no ... it was because Collins new the offense inside and out. That was the ONLY advantage that helped Collins make a difference. Then it was o-line magically became healthier, and the receivers magically got open .. got taller ... were better at catching, etc. JUST ONE BIG COINCIDENCE.

The point here is that you have it completely backwards. We have ample evidence that Campbell is not the answer ... and though the "sampling" is small .. the only evidence that we do have shows that Collins was better in 2007. From that you automatically declare Collins wouldn't be better now?

That has no factual foundation. We know that the o-line is more solid at the moment. We know that Collins is quicker at getting rid of the ball. We know that the guy is the type that prepares well (he came in totally cold in 2007, and excelled) We know that he's shown to be a more accurate passer, with better touch, and a quicker release. And they seem to have enough confidence in his ability and grasp of the offense to go into the season with him as the only backup.

But you're so sure we shouldn't even try to find out if he could provide a similar spark to an offense that began the season just as poorly as it finished last year?

Sorry ... you have no right to suggest that I'm the one who is clueless here or has an agenda.

Yes, Collins did play well for 1/4 of a season, and then crumpled. Yes, two years ago, he won a few games. His implosion was horrific, though.

As for the line at that time, we hadn't had the same 5 o lineman play together until about 4 weeks before JC's unjury. Yes, I believe that was your 'magic' you're referring to.

I do not argue that TC knew Saunders offense better than JC, but who would know it better except for Saunders himself? Didn't he follow to HELP Saunders implement it?

There is no upside to TC starting and it's only a bandaid fix. I don't like bandaids. I don't believe that TC would be better as the starting QB b/c he's immobile, and as we all know, the QB needs to be mobile.

And I think that we've both agreed upon the fact that the PLAYCALLING sucks. I think that MAY have an influence on JC's stats. Call me crazy. When Collins came in, the reigns were released due to being do or die. I thought that was pretty common knowledge, too, but I assumed on that one...I'll take the hit.

And I'd like to correct you ... Campbell didn't go 6-2 ... the Redskins went 6-2 in the first 8 games

You've reduced to arguing this? JC will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER win a game by himself. Considering you HAVE to field 11 players for every play, it's impossible. You're much more intelligent than reducing arguments to this level, or at least I thought you were.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yes, Collins did play well for 1/4 of a season, and then crumpled. Yes, two years ago, he won a few games. His implosion was horrific, though.

Not sure I agree with that. Moss quit on the one INT. I don't really blame Collins for that.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yes, Collins did play well for 1/4 of a season, and then crumpled. Yes, two years ago, he won a few games. His implosion was horrific, though.

So factually and intellectually dishonest. Collins didn't "implode". He was Custer at little big horn for criss sakes. I doubt he threw 5 passes in that game where he was still standing afterward. It was a total jail break, and the o-line was run over on almost every play. Yet he still managed to throw for over 260 yards, and 2 TDs ... something that Campbell only accomplishes with perfect protection, and only in leap years.

VetSkinsFan wrote:As for the line at that time, we hadn't had the same 5 o lineman play together until about 4 weeks before JC's unjury. Yes, I believe that was your 'magic' you're referring to.

That makes no sense ... those 4 weeks were all losses. And it was the same line that Campbell had in the Chicago game where he was trying to break the record for 3 and outs, before Collins came in and scored 2 TD's in in 2 possessions in 3 1/2 minutes

VetSkinsFan wrote:I do not argue that TC knew Saunders offense better than JC, but who would know it better except for Saunders himself? Didn't he follow to HELP Saunders implement it?

No, he was not hired as a coach or manager. He was a backup QB, who winded up playing circles around the starter.

VetSkinsFan wrote:There is no upside to TC starting and it's only a bandaid fix. I don't like bandaids. I don't believe that TC would be better as the starting QB b/c he's immobile, and as we all know, the QB needs to be mobile.

Only if the QB intends to sit back and expect the pass pro to give him 7 seconds to locate a target. This kind of pass pro problem wasn't supposed to be an issue with the quick hitting WC offense with all of it's three step drops. Campbell is slow ... slow playing, and slow learning. Collins makes quicker reads and quicker decisions. He puts way less pressure on the line than does Campbell. And there have been many effective QBs that were not mobile. That's a cop out, and besides, Jason "I can't figure out how to slide" Campbell isn't exactly looking like Michael Vick out there. The upside you seem to overlook is that we win most of the time when Collins plays.

VetSkinsFan wrote:And I think that we've both agreed upon the fact that the PLAYCALLING sucks. I think that MAY have an influence on JC's stats. Call me crazy. When Collins came in, the reigns were released due to being do or die. I thought that was pretty common knowledge, too, but I assumed on that one...I'll take the hit.

Yes, this year (1) game, the play calling appeared to suck. Very questionable ... absolutely agree.

But 2007, no, not common knowledge. Point to anywhere where the coaching staff ever admitted or even insinuated that they: (A) held back on the offense with Campbell or (B) released the reigns with Collins. This is just more of the excuse making nonsense that kept being repeated until it became Gods own truth. If such a thing appeared to be true, maybe it was because there were more downfield plays successfully executed? Maybe coaches tend to continue calling what works, and shy away from what doesn't?

And even if what you suggest is common knowledge were even true .. that itself would be an indictment of Campbell's ability to competently execute the offense, and grounds for replacing him.

VetSkinsFan wrote:You've reduced to arguing this? JC will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER win a game by himself. Considering you HAVE to field 11 players for every play, it's impossible. You're much more intelligent than reducing arguments to this level, or at least I thought you were.

I'm not sure how you read that into what I've said. But to address this .. my argument is that Campbell is just not a consistent playmaker. He requires conditions to be ideal, and hasn't demonstrated any ability to overcome challenges or pick up the team and win ball games with his talent. He barely manages to not lose games ..

And according to you and others, it's common knowledge that he didn't know Saunders system enough to execute it effectively. That, after 2 seasons and 20 games to prepare him. That makes him too slow to stay.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with last week. This is a new system .... supposedly similar to the WC offense he played in College. Yet he seems to suffer the same maladies as he did in 2007 ... which contrary to "common opinion" couldn't be explained as unfamiliarity with a "system"

That we have conversations taking place about footwork, and remembering to step up into the pocket are matters that shouldn't be a topic with a 4th year starter .... REGARDLESS OF WHAT SYSTEM YOU RUN.

I know, JC just sucks. Yet it's soooo confusing when the experts on the NFLN, and specifically Playbook NFC, actually break down the film on JC and this offense, they all said they were actually impressed by JC. They actually showed on TV how they broke down the film and they actually used visual and video evidence to support their conclusions. It is strange, isn't Ray? I mean, you break down film too, right?

They are paid to do that. I think they know what they are talking about when it comes to breaking down film.

I sure would love for them to convince me that his performance was IMPRESSIVE. haha

SkinsFreak wrote:I know, JC just sucks. Yet it's soooo confusing when the experts on the NFLN, and specifically Playbook NFC, actually break down the film on JC and this offense, they all said they were actually impressed by JC. They actually showed on TV how they broke down the film and they actually used visual and video evidence to support their conclusions. It is strange, isn't Ray? I mean, you break down film too, right?

Oh they did huh? All 50 plays and 23:52 time of possession? Oh, you mean they didn't ACTUALLY include the scramble over the line of scrimmage, throw an illegal pass for an interception play? Or the "I forgot to step up in the pocket and I got stripped and they ran it back for a TD Play? They didn't actually say how sooo impressed they were about those plays did they?

RayNAustin wrote:Let me remind you about that 4 game losing streak in 2007. I was saying back then that the Redskins needed to make a switch at QB ... if only temporary .. to jump start the offense

I don't doubt you said this. You hate the Skins and trashed the QB, that's not news Ray, it's the same you'll say about TC if we start him. A broken clock is right twice a day, all you have to do is wait for anything bad to happen to the Skins and then strut how you were right and told us this already. We know, we know, you hate the Skins and we suck, got it.

But what you also show in this quote is a dearth of football knowledge. You don't change QBs and "jump start" the O. It's not like replacing the spark plugs on a car. The O needs to practice together and get in sync, you develop a quarterback and a system. You don't just try something to see if it works, if you do it that way it won't. But life is easy for you, tommorow you can just tell us whatever happens bad today was something you already told us and then strut bobbing your head up and down you already told us...

RayNAustin wrote:I base my theory on the fact that Campbell's performance is so consistently mediocre that Collins COULDN'T DO MUCH WORSE. I base it on the fact that Campbell has NEVER played 4 good games in a row in his entire career.

Again zero football knowledge. A mediocre NFL quarterback is so far ahead of almost anyone else on the planet at the position, TC certainly could do WAY worse. And given our potential this year it's WAY too easy to try the desperation move you propose.

RayNAustin wrote:
Oh they did huh? All 50 plays and 23:52 time of possession? Oh, you mean they didn't ACTUALLY include the scramble over the line of scrimmage, throw an illegal pass for an interception play? Or the "I forgot to step up in the pocket and I got stripped and they ran it back for a TD Play? They didn't actually say how sooo impressed they were about those plays did they?

Why would they breakdown 21 running plays or the four punts, you act like Campbell had 50 plays that he control over the outcome. He was 19 of 26 when he went back to pass, that's not bad and not many QBs did better than that last week. In fact only Brady, Peyton M., Big Ben, and Drew Brees had higher completions percentages.
Why are you pointing out two plays that obviously had more to do with what was going on with Campbell, or maybe you can explain his need to scramble, doesn't he have blockers?
Shouldn't he have recievers that can get open before he crosses the LOS?
Wasn't the pocket you wanted hin to set up in the same pocket that broke down in the first place?

Why do some posters blow everthing so far out of porpotion that when they do say something that makes a little bit of sense it's completely missed by most.

RayNAustin wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:I know, JC just sucks. Yet it's soooo confusing when the experts on the NFLN, and specifically Playbook NFC, actually break down the film on JC and this offense, they all said they were actually impressed by JC. They actually showed on TV how they broke down the film and they actually used visual and video evidence to support their conclusions. It is strange, isn't Ray? I mean, you break down film too, right?

Oh they did huh? All 50 plays and 23:52 time of possession? Oh, you mean they didn't ACTUALLY include the scramble over the line of scrimmage, throw an illegal pass for an interception play? Or the "I forgot to step up in the pocket and I got stripped and they ran it back for a TD Play? They didn't actually say how sooo impressed they were about those plays did they?

Didn't watch the show, huh? Didn't think so. You see, they did talk about and examine the three or four bad plays made by Campbell. But here's the difference... they actually took the time to dissect the other 46-47 plays made by Campbell.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I don't doubt you said this. You hate the Skins and trashed the QB, that's not news Ray, it's the same you'll say about TC if we start him. A broken clock is right twice a day, all you have to do is wait for anything bad to happen to the Skins and then strut how you were right and told us this already. We know, we know, you hate the Skins and we suck, got it.

You keep saying "You hate the Redskins..." Knock it off. You don't speak for me, and you need to stop. Speak for yourself.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:But what you also show in this quote is a dearth of football knowledge. You don't change QBs and "jump start" the O. It's not like replacing the spark plugs on a car. The O needs to practice together and get in sync, you develop a quarterback and a system. You don't just try something to see if it works, if you do it that way it won't. But life is easy for you, tommorow you can just tell us whatever happens bad today was something you already told us and then strut bobbing your head up and down you already told us...

Firstly, I'm not surprised that YOU think it's such a crazy, unprecedented tactic to make a QB change when one is struggling. What surprises me is that you would expect anyone to believe this nonsense. Switching QBs is more common than switching any other player on the field, and has been done by every team in football for as long as football has existed. (Do you even think about what you say before you say it?)

Secondly, I've been very consistent about my opinion of Campbell for the past 3 years. I told you and many others not to hold your breath waiting for Campbell to step up, and I was right. GET OVER IT. I said the Redskins needed to make a change at QB in 2007 ... and I heard the same nonsense about my lack of football knowledge then too. An injury to Campbell FORCED a change, and PROVED I was right about that too. Get over it.

I don't expect you to admit it when you are wrong, though it would help your credibility to do so when you are proven wrong.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Again zero football knowledge. A mediocre NFL quarterback is so far ahead of almost anyone else on the planet at the position, TC certainly could do WAY worse. And given our potential this year it's WAY too easy to try the desperation move you propose.

Oh yes .. of course you are correct ... and so is a mediocre heart surgeon, though I'd prefer someone with a better reputation than "mediocre" cutting open my chest.

Which surgeon would you choose ... the one who's patients die 66% of the time, or the one whose success rate is 80% ?

And our potential this year is PRECISELY why we shouldn't piss away the entire season waiting for Campbell to magically "get it" after 36 games and three years of "mediocre".

This is a Good team with a mediocre QB who is preventing the team from taking the next step forward. They're stuck in neutral, and Campbell can't find the stick or the clutch. And you think making a change is "desperation"?

Fine .. you keep believing that. And I'm sure Campbell will prove you right when he manages to beat a couple of teams in the bottom third of the league. But until he can do it against the good teams, my opinion of him won't change.