Dan and Vinny in a nutshell.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:24 am

I didn't mean to say he was always out of position. But he definitely got caught out of position many many times, which cost us touchdowns. The reason he was out of position was because he was trying to make the big play. That was always my impression of him anyway.

I forgave a lot of that though because he coulda been one of the best ever. But he just didn't have the mental discipline. And of course the injuries ended his chances of figuring it out.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:45 am

Scottskins wrote:I didn't mean to say he was always out of position. But he definitely got caught out of position many many times, which cost us touchdowns. The reason he was out of position was because he was trying to make the big play. That was always my impression of him anyway.

I forgave a lot of that though because he coulda been one of the best ever. But he just didn't have the mental discipline. And of course the injuries ended his chances of figuring it out.

I knew what you meant right away. He did a lot of freestyling, and wanted free rein to fly to the ball. When he was asked to stay put and man his gaps, he bristled.
Lavar is and was always about Lavar.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:58 am

tcwest10 wrote:
Scottskins wrote:I didn't mean to say he was always out of position. But he definitely got caught out of position many many times, which cost us touchdowns. The reason he was out of position was because he was trying to make the big play. That was always my impression of him anyway.

I forgave a lot of that though because he coulda been one of the best ever. But he just didn't have the mental discipline. And of course the injuries ended his chances of figuring it out.

I knew what you meant right away. He did a lot of freestyling, and wanted free rein to fly to the ball. When he was asked to stay put and man his gaps, he bristled.
Lavar is and was always about Lavar.

That is 100% correct. 100%.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:40 pm

I wondered at the connection and I guess it could also be said that Snyder is a little like Lavar in that he just thinks the team will be better (or more successful) if we do things his way rather than what has proven to be the best way to build a team.

Lavar just wanted to be and felt he was the face of the Redskins and that his presence on the field would guarantee success.
Snyder thinks he knows better and refuses to understand that this is a team game and that good teams are managed well by "teams" of NFL people not by one huge ego.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:46 pm

I can see the comparison now that you mention it. As someone who is into eastern philosophy, I can definitely see the EGO on Snyder. I doubt he will ever change either. Our only hope is that he will win in spite of himself. I still think he's better than a lot of other owners we could have had tho...

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:15 am

Scottskins wrote:I can see the comparison now that you mention it. As someone who is into eastern philosophy, I can definitely see the EGO on Snyder. I doubt he will ever change either. Our only hope is that he will win in spite of himself. I still think he's better than a lot of other owners we could have had tho...

You're right about that! Unfortunately, it does not look like he's going away and I would be very surprised if he ever would be able to turn this team over to someone else to run.

There are many here who have a different set of issues with how Snyder manages (or is involved with) the Washington Redskins. :wink:

For myself it is totally about the whole team and how it performs on the field. I am not at all concerned about how he treats the fans or the media or anything - my only issue is about the team and the way it is managed.

initially, I thought that adding talent the way he did might work out but when you look back you realize that all that resulted in, was (as some here have pointed out) a "better" team than we had when Cooke left - even though the team has never managed to be consistently good since Snyder bought it.
Having a team make the playoffs every now and then is not acceptable to Washington Redskins fans, OR, it should not be :wink:

This team with a great NFL type as GM and Snyder's "support" as owner could be dominating the NFL but we have little to no chance of being a consistent playoff contender with these 2 guys at the helm - the evidence is there :lol:

It is what it is and this is just a place to vent because it does not look like changing anytime soon - Snyder's ego would not accept that :roll:

we are an 8-8 team and maybe worse :shock:

while we may be heading in the right direction IF we continue to add and build - the thought of trying to give away 2 #1 picks for Cutler was very disturbing to me and would not have been contemplated by any 'savvy' NFL GM :wink:

We need to face the reality that we are trying to rebuild this team and that will take at least 2 more drafts AND some judicious FA additions AND maybe even trading players for picks :shock:

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:02 pm

Joko,

The ONLY message that resonates in Danny's head is REVENUE. As the reputedly "long" wait list of ticket buyers shrinks, as the revenue in the Stadium diminishes, as the -expected- revenue is not received from all sources, inckluding planned cost increases, he will decide to hire a REAL GM.

Why? Because his EGO is ENORMOUS but his GREED is BIGGER.

Remember the message in the US Dollar bill

In God We Trust.

In God I do trust. :wink:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:04 pm

What's dumb and dumber then Danny and Vinnie are the endless flat out contentless insults of them.

Dan/Vinnie/Dan and Vinnie is/are dumb/greedy/trying to buy a championship.

Repeat 5,000 times across every thread through every forum with no additional content or insight, including by some members of the staff who should know better then to constantly post ZERO content posts because they have to read more of them then anyone. And that doesn't mean it's wrong, it's dumb regardless because it's so CONTENTLESS. It's been done to death. WE GOT IT! THEY ARE DUMB!!!!

Did I mention Danny is dumb, so is Vinnie, they are greedy too, greedy and dumb. They are trying to buy a championship. GOT IT, THANKS!!!!!!

I'm guessing this won't help.

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:47 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:What's dumb and dumber then Danny and Vinnie are the endless flat out contentless insults of them.

Dan/Vinnie/Dan and Vinnie is/are dumb/greedy/trying to buy a championship.

Repeat 5,000 times across every thread through every forum with no additional content or insight, including by some members of the staff who should know better then to constantly post ZERO content posts because they have to read more of them then anyone. And that doesn't mean it's wrong, it's dumb regardless because it's so CONTENTLESS. It's been done to death. WE GOT IT! THEY ARE DUMB!!!!

Did I mention Danny is dumb, so is Vinnie, they are greedy too, greedy and dumb. They are trying to buy a championship. GOT IT, THANKS!!!!!!

I'm guessing this won't help.

Take a chill pill and have some fun

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:46 pm

click on this link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyYZUhSeRYc

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:09 am

skinpride1 wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:What's dumb and dumber then Danny and Vinnie are the endless flat out contentless insults of them.

Dan/Vinnie/Dan and Vinnie is/are dumb/greedy/trying to buy a championship.

Repeat 5,000 times across every thread through every forum with no additional content or insight, including by some members of the staff who should know better then to constantly post ZERO content posts because they have to read more of them then anyone. And that doesn't mean it's wrong, it's dumb regardless because it's so CONTENTLESS. It's been done to death. WE GOT IT! THEY ARE DUMB!!!!

Did I mention Danny is dumb, so is Vinnie, they are greedy too, greedy and dumb. They are trying to buy a championship. GOT IT, THANKS!!!!!!

I'm guessing this won't help.

Take a chill pill and have some fun

That is chill for Kaz, he's back on them meds.

But this should get him and others going...

"the Danny" on Wednesday wrote: He reflected on the 8-8 season in Zorn's first year as coach, when the Redskins started 6-2 before fading down the stretch.

"Obviously we were disappointed with some of our late-season games last year," Snyder said. "We got close, as everyone knows, we got beaten up in terms of injuries, but that's no excuse. I think we're positioned pretty well to improve.

"We're doing what we can to win," the owner said. "I'm always going to be aggressive to try to win. I didn't buy the team for investment. I bought the team to try to win the Super Bowl, and that's what I'm trying to do."

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:20 am

Here's another one...

"Snyder noted that the only time his team recently did swap the following year's No. 1 pick, it was to acquire quarterback Jason Campbell in 2005 -- "and it worked out quite well,"

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:12 am

Danny Snyder wrote:"and it worked out quite well,"

The truth?

There is no more loyal supporter of Jason Campbell than the Danny.

At least as long as no other starting QB becomes available or a "promising" QB prospect becomes available in the draft. :wink:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:39 am

1niksder wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:What's dumb and dumber then Danny and Vinnie are the endless flat out contentless insults of them.

Dan/Vinnie/Dan and Vinnie is/are dumb/greedy/trying to buy a championship.

Repeat 5,000 times across every thread through every forum with no additional content or insight, including by some members of the staff who should know better then to constantly post ZERO content posts because they have to read more of them then anyone. And that doesn't mean it's wrong, it's dumb regardless because it's so CONTENTLESS. It's been done to death. WE GOT IT! THEY ARE DUMB!!!!

Did I mention Danny is dumb, so is Vinnie, they are greedy too, greedy and dumb. They are trying to buy a championship. GOT IT, THANKS!!!!!!

I'm guessing this won't help.

Take a chill pill and have some fun

That is chill for Kaz, he's back on them meds.

I pride myself in being extreme in all things at all times, thanks for noticing! Some confuse that with needing to "chill," not very insightful.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:42 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:
Danny Snyder wrote:"and it worked out quite well,"

The truth?

There is no more loyal supporter of Jason Campbell than the Danny.

At least as long as no other starting QB becomes available or a "promising" QB prospect becomes available in the draft.

Or maybe until JC plays well enough to end providing a REASON to be considering alternatives, ya think? I have been a JC "supporter" in thinking he has potential and we should be playing him over never was's (TC) and lottery tickets (CB). But you seriously think JC has locked up the job where Danny is an idiot for considering options for starter? Paleese. He would be a moron to NOT be doing that. Then again it's more "fun" to criticize him for things he hasn't done and saying he's an idiot if he does or doesn't do whatever the topic is...

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:51 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:
Danny Snyder wrote:"and it worked out quite well,"

The truth?

There is no more loyal supporter of Jason Campbell than the Danny.

At least as long as no other starting QB becomes available or a "promising" QB prospect becomes available in the draft.

I just love when someones comments are completely taken out of context. Did some of you actually LISTEN to the radio interview?

When Snyder said "and it worked out quite well"... he wasn't talking about Campbell. He was saying that the 1st rounder traded for Campbell ended up being, what Snyder said... " I think the 26th pick". It was actually the 22nd pick. Meaning, if the Skins hadn't traded their 1st rounder for JC in 2005, they would've had the 22nd pick in the 2006 draft, only three spots off the 25th pick they got in the trade. Snyder was implying that the 2005 season ended with a 10-6 record and the 1st rounder they traded wasn't a high 1st rounder or a top ten pick.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:54 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Or maybe until JC plays well enough to end providing a REASON to be considering alternatives, ya think?

No, I do not. Because ...

1) The team has greater needs at OL, LB and DL;

2) There would need to be somebody available who is very likely to become an improvement over JC (and the current draft and our few picks do not allow for that);

3) It is stupid to persuade your starting QB that he is "supported" every time that a potential other choice becomes available; and

Oh! last but not least, -IF-

KazooSkinsFan wrote:we should be playing him over never was's (TC) and lottery tickets (CB).

then

4) Why the hell did they waste picks and roster spots on these two players???

Take your meds Kazoo. They are prescribed for a number of GOOD REASONS. :lol:

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:58 am

SkinsFreak wrote:He was saying that the 1st rounder traded for Campbell ended up being, what Snyder said... " I think the 26th pick".

Precisely. That is why he is his BEST supporter. :lol:

This is really funny. :lol:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:04 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Or maybe until JC plays well enough to end providing a REASON to be considering alternatives, ya think?
No, I do not. Because ...

1) The team has greater needs at OL, LB and DL;

2) There would need to be somebody available who is very likely to become an improvement over JC (and the current draft and our few picks do not allow for that);

3) It is stupid to persuade your starting QB that he is "supported" every time that a potential other choice becomes available

You skipped the part of the quote that addresses these points, try reading the whole thing:

Kaz wrote:Then again it's more "fun" to criticize him for things he hasn't done

You're bashing him for LOOKING at alternatives, which clearly we do need to consider with JC. If you want to continue to ignore that point, I can repeat it again for you...

Ric wrote:; and

Oh! last but not least, -IF-

KazooSkinsFan wrote:we should be playing him over never was's (TC) and lottery tickets (CB).

then

4) Why the hell did they waste picks and roster spots on these two players???

Umm...are you serious? You don't know why we need backups or long term projects? You don't know why we need 3 QBs in practice? I'm not going to even try explaining that to you it's so basic to the operations of a football team. But that you would even ask that explains a lot.

Take your meds Kazoo. They are prescribed for a number of GOOD REASONS.

I say so many things that this is apt for. This isn't it. Meds won't make posts devoid of even basic knowledge of football, like that we should only have starting QBs on our roster at any given moment make sense.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:15 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I say so many things that this is apt for. This isn't it. Meds won't make posts devoid of even basic knowledge of football, like that we should only have starting QBs on our roster at any given moment make sense.

According to you:

a never was (TC) and a lottery ticket (CB).

-IF- that is the case, according to your "logic", we need THREE and not one QBs!!! And the question arises, What were these guys at the FO doing that they let the Team in a postion of a doubtful starter, a never was, and a lottery ticket???

Just following your "logic" points at the same culprits. Insightful indeed. :hail:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:53 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:I say so many things that this is apt for. This isn't it. Meds won't make posts devoid of even basic knowledge of football, like that we should only have starting QBs on our roster at any given moment make sense.
According to you:

a never was (TC) and a lottery ticket (CB).

-IF- that is the case, according to your "logic", we need THREE and not one QBs!!! And the question arises, What were these guys at the FO doing that they let the Team in a postion of a doubtful starter, a never was, and a lottery ticket???

Just following your "logic" points at the same culprits. Insightful indeed.

Following my logic works better if you don't base it on a misquote. I never called JC a "doubtful" starter, you did. I said in fact I still consider him our starter and he should be, but he hasn't played well enough to lock up the position so we would not explore alternatives. That is unclear to you? Why? I did not say either that we should get an alternative. I said, once again, focus, focus:

Then again it's more "fun" to criticize him for things he hasn't done

If he MAKES a move I will have an opinion on it. I am saying he has NOT made a move and yet you already have an opinion on the move he hasn't made and yet I need meds.

Let's explore the concept of meds.

Kaz's whacko position: Exploring alternatives at starting QB makes sense
Ric's calm rational position: Danny is an idiot for a move he hasn't made

Kaz's whacko position: Middling opinion of Danny. He has pros and cons, he has made smart and stupid moves, he has improved in some ways, not enough.
Ric's calm rational position: Danny is an idiot and everything he does and doesn't do proves that

Kaz's whacko position: I don't trust the media, particularly reporting on Danny because they have an agenda
Ric's calm rational position: Every rumor reported in the media is absoute proof Ric's hatred of Danny is dead on.

Dude, who needs meds? BTW, that whole meds thing was a lame ripoff of what Nik just said.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:04 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Dude, who needs meds? BTW, that whole meds thing was a lame ripoff of what Nik just said.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:13 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Dude, who needs meds? BTW, that whole meds thing was a lame ripoff of what Nik just said.

Ignore the whole argument showing where the real extremism is and yawn at the last sentence. Wow, I'm wounded. :roll:

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:33 pm

OK....sit down before you read this I'm getting ready to say some positive things.

Went out to FedEx today...I don't care what they say it was a light crowd..I'm thankful for that!!
1. Thank you Mr. Snyder for having the AC pumping on the club level on such a hot day ( Yes I know he trying to sell those seats) but still it was nice.
2. Kudos to the fans for booing Mark Sanchez every chance they got and for the chants of "Ja-son Camp-bell" Jason is clearly the most popular guy in town today. The fans are rooting for you!!
3. Kudos to Mr. Snyder and Co. for standing pat...I know many stories will surface that you wanted MS I don't know and don't care..in the end you resited any temptation and you made a nice pick.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:21 pm

DEHog wrote:OK....sit down before you read this I'm getting ready to say some positive things.
...
3. Kudos to Mr. Snyder and Co. for standing pat...I know many stories will surface that you wanted MS I don't know and don't care..in the end you resited any temptation and you made a nice pick.

Amen brother.

There, you have it. For the record. :oops: