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SkinsJock wrote:
As some of you may remember after a few games in 2007 I voiced concern over the decision making and sloooow release. I am also one who wanted Campbell to have a full season to show that he was (or is not) our QB of the future - Campbell deserves the next 2 games BUT we will need another alternative to Brennan to see who is going to lead our team at QB next year - I think we should get an established QB that can lead our team as we also find out if Brennan has what it takes. IMO it would be a mistake to have 2 young QBs and only Campbell as an experienced backup as that is what I think he will be in 2009.

Blache will also get some help to keep up the good job he has done with our defense this year.

The NFC East defenses at present are playing very well and would make any team a contender with a decent offense.

SkinsJock, I remember very well last year when you and I both had reservations about Jason Campbell. And it's funny, really, how similar the situation was to this year, and the arguments for and against Campbell are almost identical.

But I don't see Campbell as ever being a backup QB for the Redskins. His contract is up next year, and there is no way he or his agent would sign for a significantly reduced contract.....and I don't see signing him to a big contract based on his performance.

If the decision is made that Campbell is not the log term answer, he'll need to be moved in the off season while he's still under contract, and may still have some value. If we keep him until the contract expires, we'll be stuck with releasing him (get nothing in return) or paying too much to keep him.

As for his status as the starter for the remaining 2 games, I'm of mixed opinion on this. I totally disagree that Campbell "deserves" to finish the season.....he's had more than a fair chance to prove himself, and the Redskins owe him notta. But a change now seems like locking the barn door after the horses are already gone.

It would be nice to see Brennan play (just to evaluate his potential) but how beneficial it would be at this stage is questionable, not to mention the politics and other implications of benching Campbell while there is still a mathematical chance of extending the season (however remote and unlikely). Benching Campbell would taint his value (if you were considering trading him); while it would look like a desperation move or an act of throwing in the towel, none of which would be desirable.

Benching Campbell should have happeed three weeks ago if it was goin to happen this year. I see the only option as continuing to play him.....but not because HE "deserves" to finish the season.

Here is my


Even if the defense had gotten more turnovers, the only way it would make a difference is if the offense could convert those turnovers into points, which puts the blame back on the offense.

As far as the defense giving up long drives late in games...that's what happens when the offense goes 3 and out time and time again. Why isn't our offense going on long drives late in games?

We have had a need for pass rushers for the past couple of years...here is an article by Dan Steinberg that explains why the Redskins haven't drafted any linemen. If this doesn't get your blood boiling, nothing will.

"I mean, it came down to Phillip Merling, people say that we maybe should have taken," Cerrato said. "He has seven tackles right now for Miami."

When Cerrato said this, Merling actually had 23 tackles (17 solo) and a sack, according to NFL.com. For a defensive end who has started just two games, that's actually not too shabby.


http://mobile.washingtonpost.com/detail ... =dc_sp&p=0

It would be nice to see Brennan play (just to evaluate his potential) but how beneficial it would be at this stage is questionable, not to mention the politics and other implications of benching Campbell while there is still a mathematical chance of extending the season (however remote and unlikely).

There is no way that Brennan is ready to play in an NFL game right now. He is a project qb and throwing him into a game would probably do more harm than good. The guy very rarely even took snaps from under center in college and played in a gimmick offense. I agree with you that Campbell isn't our answer at qb but there is no way that Brennan is at this point either. We are going to have to find ourselves a new qb this offseason and I highly doubt that that player is currently on the roster.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

It would be nice to see Brennan play (just to evaluate his potential) but how beneficial it would be at this stage is questionable, not to mention the politics and other implications of benching Campbell while there is still a mathematical chance of extending the season (however remote and unlikely).

There is no way that Brennan is ready to play in an NFL game right now. He is a project qb and throwing him into a game would probably do more harm than good. The guy very rarely even took snaps from under center in college and played in a gimmick offense. I agree with you that Campbell isn't our answer at qb but there is no way that Brennan is at this point either. We are going to have to find ourselves a new qb this offseason and I highly doubt that that player is currently on the roster.

Someone mentioned Hasselback in another thread.

Looks more likely after each week.

I give up! The Defense is perfect they did everything they could possibly do to help us win this year. They were perfect. They even left all the scoring to the offense, they were one of two teams' defense in the league that didn't chip in with at least a couple of points. So they were perfect.

The only reason we won 6 out of the first 8 was because the offense performed. That must be true, because it appears they are the only reason we lost 5 out of the last 7.

Seriously, I'm done. You can't listen to reason. I blamed the O for most of the problems, but no one listened. I just had the nerve to point out that the heart and soul of this team could have done a little more to help out and maybe even won a game in spite of the O, like really good Defenses do.

Or at least hold on to half of the picks you should have had. But no I get retarded statements like "It sounds like they had good coverage!"
REALLY! No kidding! Wow there is some insight there.

No what it says is they let more than a dozen game changing plays slip through their hands!

AND YES I KNOW THE BLOODY OFFENSE WAS MOSTLY TO BLAME!

skinsfan#33 wrote:I give up! The Defense is perfect they did everything they could possibly do to help us win this year. They were perfect. They even left all the scoring to the offense, they were one of two teams' defense in the league that didn't chip in with at least a couple of points. So they were perfect.

The only reason we won 6 out of the first 8 was because the offense performed. That must be true, because it appears they are the only reason we lost 5 out of the last 7.

Seriously, I'm done. You can't listen to reason. I blamed the O for most of the problems, but no one listened. I just had the nerve to point out that the heart and soul of this team could have done a little more to help out and maybe even won a game in spite of the O, like really good Defenses do.

Or at least hold on to half of the picks you should have had. But no I get retarded statements like "It sounds like they had good coverage!"
REALLY! No kidding! Wow there is some insight there.

No what it says is they let more than a dozen game changing plays slip through their hands!

AND YES I KNOW THE BLOODY OFFENSE WAS MOSTLY TO BLAME!

Wow, now THIS is an insightful post...

CanesSkins26 wrote:

It would be nice to see Brennan play (just to evaluate his potential) but how beneficial it would be at this stage is questionable, not to mention the politics and other implications of benching Campbell while there is still a mathematical chance of extending the season (however remote and unlikely).

There is no way that Brennan is ready to play in an NFL game right now. He is a project qb and throwing him into a game would probably do more harm than good. The guy very rarely even took snaps from under center in college and played in a gimmick offense. I agree with you that Campbell isn't our answer at qb but there is no way that Brennan is at this point either. We are going to have to find ourselves a new qb this offseason and I highly doubt that that player is currently on the roster.

There is no way to prove this except for him to play. How can it be known, without a shadow of a doubt, that he can't do it? Speculation submitted as fact doesn't meam it's a fact.

But I don't see Campbell as ever being a backup QB for the Redskins. His contract is up next year, and there is no way he or his agent would sign for a significantly reduced contract.....and I don't see signing him to a big contract based on his performance.

You don't get big bucks if your don't live up to big bucks criteria. If we let his contract ride out, I doubt he'll get paid that highly as a FA. He just hasn't produced above par consistantly. I think we can retain him relatively cheap after his contract expires/resign cheap in contract year. If he wants big bucks, are we really losing that much with his current peformance?

VetSkinsFan wrote:

But I don't see Campbell as ever being a backup QB for the Redskins. His contract is up next year, and there is no way he or his agent would sign for a significantly reduced contract.....and I don't see signing him to a big contract based on his performance.

You don't get big bucks if your don't live up to big bucks criteria. If we let his contract ride out, I doubt he'll get paid that highly as a FA. He just hasn't produced above par consistantly. I think we can retain him relatively cheap after his contract expires/resign cheap in contract year. If he wants big bucks, are we really losing that much with his current peformance?

I'm totally with you Vet that I see no way we should re-sign JC this year. I'd LOVE for him to prove he's worth a huge contract next year. He sure didn't this year. I'm not hatting on him, just saying I want to see more.