Official Post Game Discussion - Skins/Cowboys

[Mursilis]

The season could unravel pretty much from here on. The next few weeks will be brutal, specially against Seattle and Baltimore. I think we lose the Giants game. Not pretty.

Looking ahead, I think the Giants game has to be counted as a possible loss, and maybe the Ravens game. I don't fear the Seahawks, who have totally collapsed, although anything's possible, because this 'skins team can't seem to DOMINATE anyone. The 49ers game should also be easy, leaving just the Philly and Cinncy games to consider. Both SHOULD be wins, but who knows, the way this team seems to play down to the competition. Assuming we can go 4-2 from here on out, that leaves us at 10-6, which should be enough to make the postseason, although it's not a sure thing.

[Chris Luva Luva]

IF our passing offense doesn't get into gear, we WILL lose to the Giants and Ravens and quite possibly the Bengals....which is sad to say. LOL

My only hope is that Malcom can start to play.

[PulpExposure]

second point. CP needs more than 15 carries in a game. he had 20+ all the time during our winning first half of the season. remember when he got 120+ yards. seems like the good old days. last two games? 13 and 15 carries. nice. way to give up on the rushing attack zorn.

I think he's gotten less carries because he's banged up, Tinco. So is Betts. You really can't run the ball with Shaun Alexander...as we've seen.

Listen, this Skins team is very good when we can run the ball. We pound the ball, it slows down the other team's pass rush (and as we've seen, the line can't pass block very well). When we can't pound the ball, because Portis and Betts are messed up...well it exposes how our offensive line can't pass block.

And it's not just Jansen (or even Samuels). Ratliff had 2 sacks yesterday...

[Chris Luva Luva]

second point. CP needs more than 15 carries in a game. he had 20+ all the time during our winning first half of the season. remember when he got 120+ yards. seems like the good old days. last two games? 13 and 15 carries. nice. way to give up on the rushing attack zorn.

I think he's gotten less carries because he's banged up, Tinco. So is Betts. You really can't run the ball with Shaun Alexander...as we've seen.

Listen, this Skins team is very good when we can run the ball. We pound the ball, it slows down the other team's pass rush (and as we've seen, the line can't pass block very well). When we can't pound the ball, because Portis and Betts are messed up...well it exposes how our offensive line can't pass block.

And it's not just Jansen (or even Samuels). Ratliff had 2 sacks yesterday...

I don't disagree....but I think the problem is that teams are commiting to stop the run because they know we can't pass.

- They know that Jason will pat the ball and hold on to it for too long... (for various reasons not all of which are his fault)

- They know that we only have 1 WR worth covering.

- They know that we are NOT using Chris ey downfield for some odd reason.

This is classic Gibbs 2.0 offense. Hardly any points. No passing game to compliment the running game. Inability to use WR's. Refusal to use certain WR's. Im in the twilight zone.

[PulpExposure]

second point. CP needs more than 15 carries in a game. he had 20+ all the time during our winning first half of the season. remember when he got 120+ yards. seems like the good old days. last two games? 13 and 15 carries. nice. way to give up on the rushing attack zorn.

I think he's gotten less carries because he's banged up, Tinco. So is Betts. You really can't run the ball with Shaun Alexander...as we've seen.

Listen, this Skins team is very good when we can run the ball. We pound the ball, it slows down the other team's pass rush (and as we've seen, the line can't pass block very well). When we can't pound the ball, because Portis and Betts are messed up...well it exposes how our offensive line can't pass block.

And it's not just Jansen (or even Samuels). Ratliff had 2 sacks yesterday...

I don't disagree....but I think the problem is that teams are commiting to stop the run because they know we can't pass.

But the thing is...we averaged 5.1 yards per carry yesterday. We still can run the ball (with Portis or Betts) even if teams commit to stopping it. We just can't run the ball now like we should...because Portis and Betts aren't healthy.

[Mursilis]

- They know that we only have 1 WR worth covering.

That's just not true. The WRs have had a few drops, but no worse than most teams. Having talent at WR means nothing if the QB doesn't have time to throw the ball. Look at Detroit in the past - plenty of talent at WR, but no blocking and few wins. Look at the teams averaging more passing yards now than the 'skins. The Dolphins? Think their WRs are so great? The Bears?!? The Falcons? They're giving their QB time, which makes average talent appear better than average.

- They know that we are NOT using Chris ey downfield for some odd reason.

Looks like he's being held in to block and/or chip a defender too much. Plus, getting downfield requires TIME, which the O-line isn't giving the QB.

This is classic Gibbs 2.0 offense. Hardly any points. No passing game to compliment the running game. Inability to use WR's. Refusal to use certain WR's. Im in the twilight zone.

The Titans offense isn't fancy either, but they're winning because they can punch some big holes for the RBs and (unlike our line) because they can keep the QB clean enough to make the passing game respectable. K. Collins isn't setting any records down there, and they don't have any great names at WR, but Collins has all day back there, so he can get the job done. Do you realize he's only been sacked 5 TIMES!?!? That's just exhibit A in the case that any QB with time in the pocket is going to have a career year.

Look at the QBs leading the league in sacks taken (of which JC is tied for 6th) - of the top 10, JC's got a better QB rating than all of them except Aaron Rodgers, who's also been hit less. That's DESPITE the O-line's failure to protect him. The problems with this offense begin and end with the O-line. Fix that, and the offense will be fine.

[Redskin in Canada]

Chill out people. It is NOT the end of the world as we know it.

The OL had been playing well previously in the season. Please remember our win against them. They have been defeated BADLY by better DLs on the opposing sides during the last couple of games.

Our opponents in the NFC Beast have VERY good DLs. Probably better than our own DL. Which brings me to my other point:

The KEY to the game from our defense side of the ball was ... (drum roll, please) ...

their ability to take LONDON FLETCHER out of the game to stop Barber.

Please look at the plays if you can. EVERY single run play that succeeded had a Guard or the TE on Fletcher big time.

[grampi]

The season could unravel pretty much from here on. The next few weeks will be brutal, specially against Seattle and Baltimore. I think we lose the Giants game. Not pretty.

Looking ahead, I think the Giants game has to be counted as a possible loss, and maybe the Ravens game. I don't fear the Seahawks, who have totally collapsed, although anything's possible, because this 'skins team can't seem to DOMINATE anyone. The 49ers game should also be easy, leaving just the Philly and Cinncy games to consider. Both SHOULD be wins, but who knows, the way this team seems to play down to the competition. Assuming we can go 4-2 from here on out, that leaves us at 10-6, which should be enough to make the postseason, although it's not a sure thing.

The way our offense is playing right now, there are no easy games. The Skins have the potential to lose to even the worst of teams, and they even have the potential to lose all of their remaining games. Any time the defense holds the opponent to 14 points and we still lose, there's serious problems with the offense!

[grampi]

"The problems with this offense begin and end with the O-line. Fix that, and the offense will be fine."

Agreed. Give JC time to throw and open holes for CP and this offense would go from one of the worst to one of the best instantly.

[Redskin in Canada]

The season could unravel pretty much from here on. The next few weeks will be brutal, specially against Seattle and Baltimore. I think we lose the Giants game. Not pretty.

Looking ahead, I think the Giants game has to be counted as a possible loss, and maybe the Ravens game. I don't fear the Seahawks, who have totally collapsed, although anything's possible, because this 'skins team can't seem to DOMINATE anyone. The 49ers game should also be easy, leaving just the Philly and Cinncy games to consider. Both SHOULD be wins, but who knows, the way this team seems to play down to the competition. Assuming we can go 4-2 from here on out, that leaves us at 10-6, which should be enough to make the postseason, although it's not a sure thing.

The way our offense is playing right now, there are no easy games. The Skins have the potential to lose to even the worst of teams, and they even have the potential to lose all of their remaining games. Any time the defense holds the opponent to 14 points and we still lose, there's serious problems with the offense!

If we win ... ECSTASY! (Superbowl, etc) or
If we lose ... CATHARSIS! (we are doomed, disaster, etc)

It is about -emotions-. It works for some people.

[SKINFAN]

"The problems with this offense begin and end with the O-line. Fix that, and the offense will be fine."

Agreed. Give JC time to throw and open holes for CP and this offense would go from one of the worst to one of the best instantly.

it's not just the oline, it's the whole package offensively. If our running game is so great why can't we milk it and win the game? It's the whole offense. How can you single out a player, or the Oline when everything one does affects the other. Pittsburgh O line is arguably worse than ours and yet they win games. JC has legs he can scamper and extend plays at least some of the time. This whole, nowhere to throw to is starting to get old.

[Deadskins]

QB - Campbell needs to improve

Campbell should sit now,he's terrible and has had 3 years to grow and hasn't. Brady Quinn has played 1 game and looks better than JC Play Colt and have an open competition in training camp next year.

Campbell was not the problem last night. We didn't stick with our running game, and couldn't stop theirs. Barber ran all over us, for more than 5 yards per carry. Both lines flat out sucked last night, and that is why we lost the game. Sellers played great, but after the opening drive, we totally stopped using him as an offensive weapon. And yes, the D got us two INTs, but each were at our own 20, so points were not a given off of those. This game was lost in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Also, it would be nice if the officials would actually call a penalty on the Cowpies in the second half. I'm not saying that cost us the game, but if you can cheat with impunity, any team can make plays.

[Chris Luva Luva]

If our running game is so great why can't we milk it and win the game?

So you suggest that we should run on every down? That just took the cake for the most ridiculous comment thus far in this thread.

[Mursilis]

Pittsburgh O line is arguably worse than ours and yet they win games.

That goes back to my second big gripe (our D-line and lack of QB pressure). You're right, Pitt's O is worse than ours, but their defense is better (MUCH more pressure, as we saw when they played us), and it is carrying them. Pitt. and the 'skins are actually somewhat similar teams in the way they play, and it's no surprise they're only one game apart.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Pittsburgh O line is arguably worse than ours and yet they win games.

That goes back to my second big gripe (our D-line and lack of QB pressure). You're right, Pitt's O is worse than ours, but their defense is better (MUCH more pressure, as we saw when they played us), and it is carrying them. Pitt. and the 'skins are actually somewhat similar teams in the way they play, and it's no surprise they're only one game apart.

Pittsburgh has competent WR's. Their WR is way better than ours. They have a legit 1&2 WR's and a promising young guy in the slot.

We have Moss...

[SKINFAN]

If our running game is so great why can't we milk it and win the game?

So you suggest that we should run on every down? That just took the cake for the most ridiculous comment thus far in this thread.

I'm saying the whole OFFENSE SUCKED. STANK'D IT UP. I'm saying the running game is good but not great. If it was great then yes we should be able to run every down and win. No excuses, we got 2 turnovers and got 3 points.... Should we blame the O-line then? or the whole package since we are seeing the same probs even with a diff. coach. We just saw our playoff hopes go bye bye in that game.

[PulpExposure]

I'm saying the running game is good but not great. If it was great then yes we should be able to run every down and win.

May work if you have Portis and/or Betts to run the ball with. We have neither, as both are injured. Again, we're too banged up to run the ball as much as the Skins are set up for (30-40 carries per game for the two of them).

[Chris Luva Luva]

If our running game is so great why can't we milk it and win the game?

So you suggest that we should run on every down? That just took the cake for the most ridiculous comment thus far in this thread.

I'm saying the whole OFFENSE SUCKED. STANK'D IT UP. I'm saying the running game is good but not great. If it was great then yes we should be able to run every down and win. No excuses, we got 2 turnovers and got 3 points.... Should we blame the O-line then? or the whole package since we are seeing the same probs even with a diff. coach. We just saw our playoff hopes go bye bye in that game.

The running game is fine and if we left it as is, and improved in the passing game, this offense would be fine. THe issue is the lack of ability to throw the ball effectively.

[Mursilis]

Pittsburgh O line is arguably worse than ours and yet they win games.

That goes back to my second big gripe (our D-line and lack of QB pressure). You're right, Pitt's O is worse than ours, but their defense is better (MUCH more pressure, as we saw when they played us), and it is carrying them. Pitt. and the 'skins are actually somewhat similar teams in the way they play, and it's no surprise they're only one game apart.

Pittsburgh has competent WR's. Their WR is way better than ours. They have a legit 1&2 WR's and a promising young guy in the slot.

We have Moss...

Which is why they're averaging a whole 3.5yds/game more than us, and a whole .4yds/attempt more.

The truth is, Pitt.'s passing game is only 18th (we're 20th), and is also suffering because their O-line isn't pass-blocking well. They've allowed even more sacks (35), and Big Ben is having a poor year because of it. His rating is down, and he's beat up. No team in the top 10 in passing offense has allowed as many sacks as us, which only makes sense. No QB can compete passes when he's lying on the turf or running for his life.

[PulpExposure]

Pittsburgh O line is arguably worse than ours and yet they win games.

That goes back to my second big gripe (our D-line and lack of QB pressure). You're right, Pitt's O is worse than ours, but their defense is better (MUCH more pressure, as we saw when they played us), and it is carrying them. Pitt. and the 'skins are actually somewhat similar teams in the way they play, and it's no surprise they're only one game apart.

Pittsburgh has competent WR's. Their WR is way better than ours. They have a legit 1&2 WR's and a promising young guy in the slot.

We have Moss...

Which is why they're averaging a whole 3.5yds/game more than us, and a whole .4yds/attempt more.

The truth is, Pitt.'s passing game is only 18th (we're 20th), and is also suffering because their O-line isn't pass-blocking well. They've allowed even more sacks (35), and Big Ben is having a poor year because of it. His rating is down, and he's beat up. No team in the top 10 in passing offense has allowed as many sacks as us, which only makes sense. No QB can compete passes when he's lying on the turf or running for his life.

Dude, it's clearly only Campbell's fault. Stop making excuses....

[Deadskins]

I'll say it again for those that are slow to catch on: This game was lost in the trenches, on both sides of the ball.

[stacylee12]

I love to check out the doomsayers after a game like that... Kinda puts my own head back on right.

Look, yes, we need to score more. I rarely assume I see more than the coaches do because I watch it on TV so really, I don't know what is happening down field, I can't read the coverage but yes, we do need to be able to score more points. Being the OC too is a lot for a new head coach and if I had to have an opinion it would be that JZ could use some assistance there.

As for the poor player reviews on here... That kinda gets me. We have a lot of talent on this team. Do we have 22 Pro Bowlers? Of course not. We're not supposed to. This is the NFL. We are all supposed to go 8-8.

Even though the recent losses do sting, I am with the crowd that is impressed with where are right now. Pre-season, I wouldn't have taken a bet we would make it to the post-season but here we are, Week 12 and we have a chance.

Calling for the heads of ... half the team and we're 6-4. Look what happened to San Diego? 14-2 and they did fire their head coach and where are they today? The teams with long term success (defined as a majority of their seasons going over 500) are not knee jerk. They have consistency in the coaching staff and build their teams. I hope we do that.

[USAFSkinFan]

Let's look back at last season....

We had no pass rush, an old offensive line, and poor wide receiver play.

This season....

No pass rush, an even older offensive line than has been embarrassing the last few weeks, and poor wide receiver play.

Bottom line is that we didn't do enough during the off-season to address our weaknesses and now it's coming back to bite us.

I agree completely... after signing 10 draft picks, we're looking at going into the next draft with the same needs we had going into the last draft... plus a few more... except for back-up tight end and the #5 and #6 receiver spots... I think we're okay there... that's inexcusable...

[tcwest10]

I hate to say it, but we haven't really brought it since we lost to St. Louis.

I know you hate to say it, and I hate to read it...but I'm inclined to agree.
Let's focus on the fix. You can't coach heart. I know most of us have loads of it, but others don't seem to care as much.
When I say "us", I mean the team. This is still my team, and always will be. I just hate losing to TTiT, more than losing in general.

[tribeofjudah]

Where is OUR ..........???

Julius Peppers
Abraham
Mario Williams
Brackett
Freeney

Man, if only we had that going on for this team..... if only.