Skin vs Pack Post-Game chat.

[LOSTHOG]

I know this was sort of brought up before but if you think about it who has moss had as his QB Pennington and Brunell they are not known for throwing hard passes. moss is oustanding cathching those lame ducks that they throw, and then his first QB that throws hard all of a sudden he cannot catch. COME ON!!!!!!! he sucks he lost the game for us our defense palyed awesome gave up 10 pts. im sorry i hate saying this but what has Llyod done to lose a game. sorry for the long post but very frustated

atleast the cowgirls are gonna get killed

I was actually having this conversation with a friend of mine a few days ago. It certainly is possible that part of Moss' problems have come from him just taking time to get used to Campbell's passes. Like you said, for the majority of his NFL he caught passes from Brunell and Pennington, two of the weakest armed qb's in the NFL. I'm not sure how much work Moss got with Campbell last season, but Moss was injured during preseason and has been banged up during the season also and has missed lots of practice time. If you take it back even further, Moss' qb at the U was Dorsey, who didn't have a very strong arm either. So hopefully his problems this season are just a result of him still getting used to Campbell. I know this is a thin argument but Moss has always had sure hands.

It seems I remember reading about Campbell and some receivers being at Redskin Park and Moss working out individually in Miami.

[1fan4ramsey]

Disgusting....

Our offense is putrid.

It's really not bad, but guys have got to hold on to the ball. Moss is fast approaching overrated status - when he's not gimped up, he's dropping balls. And Gibbs has to stop rushing in those darn 2-TE, 1-WR sets. We had three runs out of those OBVIOUS run formations, and of course they were all shut-down (including Portis's fumble, which otherwise would've been a loss). Gibbs needs to wake up - he doesn't have the Hogs anymore. When your formation tells the defense what the play's going to be, they'll usually figure it out, especially when the defensive line is half-way decent, like GB's is.

I didn't watch the game, but did Moss really look that bad? You guys are using some strong langauge in describing Moss and Portis' play.

[ike075]

Disgusting....

Our offense is putrid.

It's really not bad, but guys have got to hold on to the ball. Moss is fast approaching overrated status - when he's not gimped up, he's dropping balls. And Gibbs has to stop rushing in those darn 2-TE, 1-WR sets. We had three runs out of those OBVIOUS run formations, and of course they were all shut-down (including Portis's fumble, which otherwise would've been a loss). Gibbs needs to wake up - he doesn't have the Hogs anymore. When your formation tells the defense what the play's going to be, they'll usually figure it out, especially when the defensive line is half-way decent, like GB's is.

I didn't watch the game, but did Moss really look that bad? You guys are using some strong langauge in describing Moss and Portis' play.

It was raining.

[por-tiz2skins]

Disgusting....

Our offense is putrid.

It's really not bad, but guys have got to hold on to the ball. Moss is fast approaching overrated status - when he's not gimped up, he's dropping balls. And Gibbs has to stop rushing in those darn 2-TE, 1-WR sets. We had three runs out of those OBVIOUS run formations, and of course they were all shut-down (including Portis's fumble, which otherwise would've been a loss). Gibbs needs to wake up - he doesn't have the Hogs anymore. When your formation tells the defense what the play's going to be, they'll usually figure it out, especially when the defensive line is half-way decent, like GB's is.

I didn't watch the game, but did Moss really look that bad? You guys are using some strong langauge in describing Moss and Portis' play.

9 drops and could of easily had 100 yards to day and also FF and ended up a TD and Mist up Catch that ended up a BS int so ya he cost us the game.

[welch]

Secondary_Chaos said

Guys, this is still the Redskins. I am 22 years old and since I have legitimately followed football, the Skins have stunk for the most part minus a few seasons. Every year its the same story. We lose to the teams we should beat and we give away games we should have won. I will tell you this, the Redskins have the most die hard fans in the league to be able to fill the biggest stadium in the league after not having been consistently better than average for the past 15 years. And I can tell you this, from these 15 or so years I have been following football and the Redskins specifically, I wont let myself stay angry about this game. As a wise man once said to me "Why stay mad? You still have to wake up and go to work and pay your bills. They care about you sucking at your job as much as you should about them sucking at their job." Amen brother, Amen....

You are truly a Redskin fan. You have the spirit.

I became aware of the team about 1953, when I was five, and the Redskins did not make the playoffs until 1971. Yes, in the early days there was only one game, the championship, but check the record at:

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams ... /redskins/

It will happen. The team will pull together and win, and that will be all the more fun because of having suffered through the bad seasons.

[please_remain_calm]

The drops were the killer, even with the fumbles if we had made a couple of easy catches and Lloys we would have waltzed the game.

Good showing from the D but even ST had the drops otherwise he would have had 4 picks!

It seems to me the story with the skins is we always perform well in 80% of our game, there is always an aspect that lets us down, it was hands this week.

[crazyhorse1]

Disgusting....

Our offense is putrid.

It's really not bad, but guys have got to hold on to the ball. Moss is fast approaching overrated status - when he's not gimped up, he's dropping balls. And Gibbs has to stop rushing in those darn 2-TE, 1-WR sets. We had three runs out of those OBVIOUS run formations, and of course they were all shut-down (including Portis's fumble, which otherwise would've been a loss). Gibbs needs to wake up - he doesn't have the Hogs anymore. When your formation tells the defense what the play's going to be, they'll usually figure it out, especially when the defensive line is half-way decent, like GB's is.

Another display of incredibly bad play calling. I was hoping Gibbs had wised up. HEY JOE. WE SUCK AT RUNNING THE BALL UNLESS WE'RE HITTING PASSES. ASK ANYBODY.

[CanesSkins26]

Disgusting....

Our offense is putrid.

It's really not bad, but guys have got to hold on to the ball. Moss is fast approaching overrated status - when he's not gimped up, he's dropping balls. And Gibbs has to stop rushing in those darn 2-TE, 1-WR sets. We had three runs out of those OBVIOUS run formations, and of course they were all shut-down (including Portis's fumble, which otherwise would've been a loss). Gibbs needs to wake up - he doesn't have the Hogs anymore. When your formation tells the defense what the play's going to be, they'll usually figure it out, especially when the defensive line is half-way decent, like GB's is.

I didn't watch the game, but did Moss really look that bad? You guys are using some strong langauge in describing Moss and Portis' play.

Moss was awful. I watched him while he played at the U and have followed his entire NFL career and I have never in all that time seen him look this bad. Portis had a fumble but other than that he did ok considering the line situation. I think he had the 2nd most yards on the team after ey.

[crazyhorse1]

4 factors...

1. High school play calling.

2. Elementary school clock management

3. Who greased Santana Moss's gloves?

4. Who chose the cleats used by the O-line?


Excellent Defense! Shut that offense down.

High School play calling is not that bad these days. Even in High School they tend to call plays that have been working rather than plays that haven't.

What clock management? I didn't see any clock management.

I never thought I'd be screaming for Brandon Lloyd to go in for Santa Moss. Moss was the MVP for the Packers today. No question about it.

Michael Jackson chose the moonwalk cleats.

[Irn-Bru]

Secondary_Chaos said

Guys, this is still the Redskins. I am 22 years old and since I have legitimately followed football, the Skins have stunk for the most part minus a few seasons. Every year its the same story. We lose to the teams we should beat and we give away games we should have won. I will tell you this, the Redskins have the most die hard fans in the league to be able to fill the biggest stadium in the league after not having been consistently better than average for the past 15 years. And I can tell you this, from these 15 or so years I have been following football and the Redskins specifically, I wont let myself stay angry about this game. As a wise man once said to me "Why stay mad? You still have to wake up and go to work and pay your bills. They care about you sucking at your job as much as you should about them sucking at their job." Amen brother, Amen....

You are truly a Redskin fan. You have the spirit.

I became aware of the team about 1953, when I was five, and the Redskins did not make the playoffs until 1971. Yes, in the early days there was only one game, the championship, but check the record at:

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams ... /redskins/

It will happen. The team will pull together and win, and that will be all the more fun because of having suffered through the bad seasons.

I missed this the first time around. Great post, Secondary Chaos.

[skinz74]

I'm as upset as anyone else regarding today's "performance."

But I'm not going to allow this loss shatter my perception of this year.

I'll start by listing a few of the things I'm concerned with, then finish up on a positive note of things we've excelled at.

(In order of concern.)
1. Second half adjustments (why are other teams capable of outsmarting 4k years of coaching experience.)

2. Injuries. Might as well have been 1st...'cause w/ a healthy Thomas and Jansen, I think we could've run all over NY and GB (Portis run production was not that bad considering the line's health 64 on the ground and 25 through the air.)

3. Lack of consistent production from our WR corp. /Nuff said.

Positives...

1. Defense. Our defense is keeping us in games, and pretty much sealed up the Philly game (thanx Landry.) Today in GB, they kept Favre from getting in a rhythm, and minus the one missed tackle by Rogers, played phenominal ball.

2. Andre Carter is showing signs of the guy we've dreamed of since Mann/Manley. Nearly had another sack today and has really came on strong since the last quarter of last year to present.

3. Vanilla isn't exactly the flavour anymore. 'Whoever is calling the plays,'...'cause I'm not sure any of us know at this point, has tried some really unique plays. I'm still convinced that it was meant to be a direct snap to Portis last week. The problem is their timing while selecting these plays aren't always the best. (A reverse on a muddy, rainy field in scoring position was universally stupid.)

4. Rogers has fallen off our radar, which is a good thing. His pick six nearly got my head chopped off in the ceiling fan when I jumped off the couch. Along those lines, some have implied that Landry isn't making a difference. I feel that because we're not hearing from him, things are getting taken care of on the line, just like we want, which is a good thing.

In conclusion, it's one game. It's the type of game that will hopefully leave a sick taste in their mouths...one they won't want another taste of...much like 05' Tampa regular season game. One that we will resond to much like after the NY game. Hopefully we can take that momentum into the Pat game...'cause we're gonna need it. But I'm not looking past Arizona one second...

$.02

[skinz74]

I'm as upset as anyone else regarding today's "performance."

But I'm not going to allow this loss shatter my perception of this year.

I'll start by listing a few of the things I'm concerned with, then finish up on a positive note of things we've excelled at.

(In order of concern.)
1. Second half adjustments (why are other teams capable of outsmarting 4k years of coaching experience.)

2. Injuries. Might as well have been 1st...'cause w/ a healthy Thomas and Jansen, I think we could've run all over NY and GB (Portis run production was not that bad considering the line's health 64 on the ground and 25 through the air.)

3. Lack of consistent production from our WR corp. /Nuff said.

Positives...

1. Defense. Our defense is keeping us in games, and pretty much sealed up the Philly game (thanx Landry.) Today in GB, they kept Favre from getting in a rhythm, and minus the one missed tackle by Rogers, played phenominal ball.

2. Andre Carter is showing signs of the guy we've dreamed of since Mann/Manley. Nearly had another sack today and has really came on strong since the last quarter of last year to present.

3. Vanilla isn't exactly the flavour anymore. 'Whoever is calling the plays,'...'cause I'm not sure any of us know at this point, has tried some really unique plays. I'm still convinced that it was meant to be a direct snap to Portis last week. The problem is their timing while selecting these plays aren't always the best. (A reverse on a muddy, rainy field in scoring position was universally stupid.)

4. Rogers has fallen off our radar, which is a good thing. His pick six nearly got my head chopped off in the ceiling fan when I jumped off the couch. Along those lines, some have implied that Landry isn't making a difference. I feel that because we're not hearing from him, things are getting taken care of on the line, just like we want, which is a good thing.

In conclusion, it's one game. It's the type of game that will hopefully leave a sick taste in their mouths...one they won't want another taste of...much like 05' Tampa regular season game. One that we will resond to much like after the NY game. Hopefully we can take that momentum into the Pat game...'cause we're gonna need it. But I'm not looking past Arizona one second...

$.02

[crazyhorse1]

Don't remember too many drops by ARE. As for Lloyd, he's barely seeing the field, and the one deep ball to him was a little long, so it wasn't an easy catch to begin with. Moss needs to be benched though. McCardell looked good.

ARE dropped a sure first down. Was on a crossing pattern and he let the ball play him and it bounced off his chest. The Lloyd play was not an easy catch but when a receiver can get both hands on the ball he needs to make the catch. McCardell did well but right now we have some serious problems at receiver. With the way that Moss is playing we don't have a real #1 and ARE tends to disappear in games. I think that a game like today is where it really hurts us not having a big, physical possession-type receiver. I think that this, along with the offensive line, needs to be addressed in the next draft.

Moss is really beginning to worry me. I'm not just talking about horrible play this year. I'm seriously afraid he can't play anymore-- as in loss of motor skills, nerve damage, etc. Maybe the yips.

[crazyhorse1]

I think that a game like today is where it really hurts us not having a big, physical possession-type receiver.

They should convert Betts.

Not a bad idea. Moss has got to be benched.

[Countertrey]

Not a bad idea. Moss has got to be benched.

Last 2 times they converted RB's to WR's, they ended up with a pair of Hall of Famers... There is a reason Bobby Mitchell wore 49 and Charley Taylor wore 42...

[crazyhorse1]

Our defense played a very good game. We lost this game due to turnovers, and dropped passes. Plain and simple.

We need to sit Portis until he is healthy. Also the weather played a major factor today. I still think we are in pretty good shape to make a run. All though I would love to have our team undefeated, realistically we are still in good shape. Our defense is still very solid, Jason Campbell is doing a decent job. Portis, Moss and the rest of the recievers had a bad game and they are afforded at least one bad game. I dont remember Portis ever having a bad game for us so I give him a pass on this one. Oh well on to the next game.

Campbell was great today, a fact that failed to show up statistically because of dropped passes. Does anyone know what yardage we lost by dorps-- must have been over a hundred.

[por-tiz2skins]

I'm as upset as anyone else regarding today's "performance."

But I'm not going to allow this loss shatter my perception of this year.

I'll start by listing a few of the things I'm concerned with, then finish up on a positive note of things we've excelled at.

(In order of concern.)
1. Second half adjustments (why are other teams capable of outsmarting 4k years of coaching experience.)

2. Injuries. Might as well have been 1st...'cause w/ a healthy Thomas and Jansen, I think we could've run all over NY and GB (Portis run production was not that bad considering the line's health 64 on the ground and 25 through the air.)

3. Lack of consistent production from our WR corp. /Nuff said.

Positives...

1. Defense. Our defense is keeping us in games, and pretty much sealed up the Philly game (thanx Landry.) Today in GB, they kept Favre from getting in a rhythm, and minus the one missed tackle by Rogers, played phenominal ball.

2. Andre Carter is showing signs of the guy we've dreamed of since Mann/Manley. Nearly had another sack today and has really came on strong since the last quarter of last year to present.

3. Vanilla isn't exactly the flavour anymore. 'Whoever is calling the plays,'...'cause I'm not sure any of us know at this point, has tried some really unique plays. I'm still convinced that it was meant to be a direct snap to Portis last week. The problem is their timing while selecting these plays aren't always the best. (A reverse on a muddy, rainy field in scoring position was universally stupid.)

4. Rogers has fallen off our radar, which is a good thing. His pick six nearly got my head chopped off in the ceiling fan when I jumped off the couch. Along those lines, some have implied that Landry isn't making a difference. I feel that because we're not hearing from him, things are getting taken care of on the line, just like we want, which is a good thing.

In conclusion, it's one game. It's the type of game that will hopefully leave a sick taste in their mouths...one they won't want another taste of...much like 05' Tampa regular season game. One that we will resond to much like after the NY game. Hopefully we can take that momentum into the Pat game...'cause we're gonna need it. But I'm not looking past Arizona one second...

$.02

I totally agree with you and that I think that we should fire
Al Saunders and have Gibbs call the plays cause last time I remembered the skins O made big plays and the rushing was alot better.


And heres 3 things Ill add that I haven't likened so far.


1)Haven't screen pass at all to are WR.

2)We haven't produce the right plays for Portis and well not make even 1300 yards this year with that OL.

3)Haven't seen a TD yet by Moss and its frustrating and next year hopefully things change.


Every one say "I" to have Gibbs call all the plays and fire AL

[CanesSkins26]

Why am I mentioning the rain so much?

Because I don't get this entire thread and crying that is going on. Sure they lost and it sucked and they could should of etc.

But I am willing to let the fumbles and drops slide becuase of how bad that field and rain was.

You want to know why the rain didn't effect GB? Because ST was catching or dropping Favre's passes.

Considering all this I am upset we lost but I am not upset after this game like everyone else is. I think it is silly to be calling for players and coaches heads after this game.

Yeah it rained and that was a good reason behind all the drop passes and why we lost IMO.

Just my

You are making a much bigger deal out of the rain than it actually was. The receivers just didn't show up to play. ey was catching everything thrown his way and I didn't see JC (who would be most affected by a wet ball) have any problems. He was on target with just about every pass that he threw. I also don't think that CP's fumble had anything to do with the rain. He was by himself against 4 defenders, covered the ball with both hands, but his shoulder down, and it looked like one of the defenders put his helmet right on the ball. That ball is more than likely coming out in any weather.

[CanesSkins26]

I'm as upset as anyone else regarding today's "performance."

But I'm not going to allow this loss shatter my perception of this year.

I'll start by listing a few of the things I'm concerned with, then finish up on a positive note of things we've excelled at.

(In order of concern.)
1. Second half adjustments (why are other teams capable of outsmarting 4k years of coaching experience.)

2. Injuries. Might as well have been 1st...'cause w/ a healthy Thomas and Jansen, I think we could've run all over NY and GB (Portis run production was not that bad considering the line's health 64 on the ground and 25 through the air.)

3. Lack of consistent production from our WR corp. /Nuff said.

Positives...

1. Defense. Our defense is keeping us in games, and pretty much sealed up the Philly game (thanx Landry.) Today in GB, they kept Favre from getting in a rhythm, and minus the one missed tackle by Rogers, played phenominal ball.

2. Andre Carter is showing signs of the guy we've dreamed of since Mann/Manley. Nearly had another sack today and has really came on strong since the last quarter of last year to present.

3. Vanilla isn't exactly the flavour anymore. 'Whoever is calling the plays,'...'cause I'm not sure any of us know at this point, has tried some really unique plays. I'm still convinced that it was meant to be a direct snap to Portis last week. The problem is their timing while selecting these plays aren't always the best. (A reverse on a muddy, rainy field in scoring position was universally stupid.)

4. Rogers has fallen off our radar, which is a good thing. His pick six nearly got my head chopped off in the ceiling fan when I jumped off the couch. Along those lines, some have implied that Landry isn't making a difference. I feel that because we're not hearing from him, things are getting taken care of on the line, just like we want, which is a good thing.

In conclusion, it's one game. It's the type of game that will hopefully leave a sick taste in their mouths...one they won't want another taste of...much like 05' Tampa regular season game. One that we will resond to much like after the NY game. Hopefully we can take that momentum into the Pat game...'cause we're gonna need it. But I'm not looking past Arizona one second...

$.02

I totally agree with you and that I think that we should fire
Al Saunders and have Gibbs call the plays cause last time I remembered the skins O made big plays and the rushing was alot better.


And heres 3 things Ill add that I haven't likened so far.


1)Haven't screen pass at all to are WR.

2)We haven't produce the right plays for Portis and well not make even 1300 yards this year with that OL.

3)Haven't seen a TD yet by Moss and its frustrating and next year hopefully things change.


Every one say "I" to have Gibbs call all the plays and fire AL

I think that we don't throw the wr screen as much now for several reasons. Firstly, it's not really part of Saunders' system. Secondly, Saunders I think used it when Brunell was the qb because he had trouble getting the ball to Moss and the other playmakers down field. JC doesn't have that problem.

[por-tiz2skins]

I'm as upset as anyone else regarding today's "performance."

But I'm not going to allow this loss shatter my perception of this year.

I'll start by listing a few of the things I'm concerned with, then finish up on a positive note of things we've excelled at.

(In order of concern.)
1. Second half adjustments (why are other teams capable of outsmarting 4k years of coaching experience.)

2. Injuries. Might as well have been 1st...'cause w/ a healthy Thomas and Jansen, I think we could've run all over NY and GB (Portis run production was not that bad considering the line's health 64 on the ground and 25 through the air.)

3. Lack of consistent production from our WR corp. /Nuff said.

Positives...

1. Defense. Our defense is keeping us in games, and pretty much sealed up the Philly game (thanx Landry.) Today in GB, they kept Favre from getting in a rhythm, and minus the one missed tackle by Rogers, played phenominal ball.

2. Andre Carter is showing signs of the guy we've dreamed of since Mann/Manley. Nearly had another sack today and has really came on strong since the last quarter of last year to present.

3. Vanilla isn't exactly the flavour anymore. 'Whoever is calling the plays,'...'cause I'm not sure any of us know at this point, has tried some really unique plays. I'm still convinced that it was meant to be a direct snap to Portis last week. The problem is their timing while selecting these plays aren't always the best. (A reverse on a muddy, rainy field in scoring position was universally stupid.)

4. Rogers has fallen off our radar, which is a good thing. His pick six nearly got my head chopped off in the ceiling fan when I jumped off the couch. Along those lines, some have implied that Landry isn't making a difference. I feel that because we're not hearing from him, things are getting taken care of on the line, just like we want, which is a good thing.

In conclusion, it's one game. It's the type of game that will hopefully leave a sick taste in their mouths...one they won't want another taste of...much like 05' Tampa regular season game. One that we will resond to much like after the NY game. Hopefully we can take that momentum into the Pat game...'cause we're gonna need it. But I'm not looking past Arizona one second...

$.02

I totally agree with you and that I think that we should fire
Al Saunders and have Gibbs call the plays cause last time I remembered the skins O made big plays and the rushing was alot better.


And heres 3 things Ill add that I haven't likened so far.


1)Haven't screen pass at all to are WR.

2)We haven't produce the right plays for Portis and well not make even 1300 yards this year with that OL.

3)Haven't seen a TD yet by Moss and its frustrating and next year hopefully things change.


Every one say "I" to have Gibbs call all the plays and fire AL

I think that we don't throw the wr screen as much now for several reasons. Firstly, it's not really part of Saunders' system. Secondly, Saunders I think used it when Brunell was the qb because he had trouble getting the ball to Moss and the other playmakers down field. JC doesn't have that problem.

But you have to admit the Screen passes to moss did work successfully and at this point it would right now.

[CanesSkins26]

I'm as upset as anyone else regarding today's "performance."

But I'm not going to allow this loss shatter my perception of this year.

I'll start by listing a few of the things I'm concerned with, then finish up on a positive note of things we've excelled at.

(In order of concern.)
1. Second half adjustments (why are other teams capable of outsmarting 4k years of coaching experience.)

2. Injuries. Might as well have been 1st...'cause w/ a healthy Thomas and Jansen, I think we could've run all over NY and GB (Portis run production was not that bad considering the line's health 64 on the ground and 25 through the air.)

3. Lack of consistent production from our WR corp. /Nuff said.

Positives...

1. Defense. Our defense is keeping us in games, and pretty much sealed up the Philly game (thanx Landry.) Today in GB, they kept Favre from getting in a rhythm, and minus the one missed tackle by Rogers, played phenominal ball.

2. Andre Carter is showing signs of the guy we've dreamed of since Mann/Manley. Nearly had another sack today and has really came on strong since the last quarter of last year to present.

3. Vanilla isn't exactly the flavour anymore. 'Whoever is calling the plays,'...'cause I'm not sure any of us know at this point, has tried some really unique plays. I'm still convinced that it was meant to be a direct snap to Portis last week. The problem is their timing while selecting these plays aren't always the best. (A reverse on a muddy, rainy field in scoring position was universally stupid.)

4. Rogers has fallen off our radar, which is a good thing. His pick six nearly got my head chopped off in the ceiling fan when I jumped off the couch. Along those lines, some have implied that Landry isn't making a difference. I feel that because we're not hearing from him, things are getting taken care of on the line, just like we want, which is a good thing.

In conclusion, it's one game. It's the type of game that will hopefully leave a sick taste in their mouths...one they won't want another taste of...much like 05' Tampa regular season game. One that we will resond to much like after the NY game. Hopefully we can take that momentum into the Pat game...'cause we're gonna need it. But I'm not looking past Arizona one second...

$.02

I totally agree with you and that I think that we should fire
Al Saunders and have Gibbs call the plays cause last time I remembered the skins O made big plays and the rushing was alot better.


And heres 3 things Ill add that I haven't likened so far.


1)Haven't screen pass at all to are WR.

2)We haven't produce the right plays for Portis and well not make even 1300 yards this year with that OL.

3)Haven't seen a TD yet by Moss and its frustrating and next year hopefully things change.


Every one say "I" to have Gibbs call all the plays and fire AL

I think that we don't throw the wr screen as much now for several reasons. Firstly, it's not really part of Saunders' system. Secondly, Saunders I think used it when Brunell was the qb because he had trouble getting the ball to Moss and the other playmakers down field. JC doesn't have that problem.

But you have to admit the Screen passes to moss did work successfully and at this point it would right now.

I agree it's a good play. I was just trying to think of a reason why we don't run the play. I would like to see us run it a few times, not as often as when we did it with MB04 but it could still be an effective play for us.

[por-tiz2skins]

I'm as upset as anyone else regarding today's "performance."

But I'm not going to allow this loss shatter my perception of this year.

I'll start by listing a few of the things I'm concerned with, then finish up on a positive note of things we've excelled at.

(In order of concern.)
1. Second half adjustments (why are other teams capable of outsmarting 4k years of coaching experience.)

2. Injuries. Might as well have been 1st...'cause w/ a healthy Thomas and Jansen, I think we could've run all over NY and GB (Portis run production was not that bad considering the line's health 64 on the ground and 25 through the air.)

3. Lack of consistent production from our WR corp. /Nuff said.

Positives...

1. Defense. Our defense is keeping us in games, and pretty much sealed up the Philly game (thanx Landry.) Today in GB, they kept Favre from getting in a rhythm, and minus the one missed tackle by Rogers, played phenominal ball.

2. Andre Carter is showing signs of the guy we've dreamed of since Mann/Manley. Nearly had another sack today and has really came on strong since the last quarter of last year to present.

3. Vanilla isn't exactly the flavour anymore. 'Whoever is calling the plays,'...'cause I'm not sure any of us know at this point, has tried some really unique plays. I'm still convinced that it was meant to be a direct snap to Portis last week. The problem is their timing while selecting these plays aren't always the best. (A reverse on a muddy, rainy field in scoring position was universally stupid.)

4. Rogers has fallen off our radar, which is a good thing. His pick six nearly got my head chopped off in the ceiling fan when I jumped off the couch. Along those lines, some have implied that Landry isn't making a difference. I feel that because we're not hearing from him, things are getting taken care of on the line, just like we want, which is a good thing.

In conclusion, it's one game. It's the type of game that will hopefully leave a sick taste in their mouths...one they won't want another taste of...much like 05' Tampa regular season game. One that we will resond to much like after the NY game. Hopefully we can take that momentum into the Pat game...'cause we're gonna need it. But I'm not looking past Arizona one second...

$.02

I totally agree with you and that I think that we should fire
Al Saunders and have Gibbs call the plays cause last time I remembered the skins O made big plays and the rushing was alot better.


And heres 3 things Ill add that I haven't likened so far.


1)Haven't screen pass at all to are WR.

2)We haven't produce the right plays for Portis and well not make even 1300 yards this year with that OL.

3)Haven't seen a TD yet by Moss and its frustrating and next year hopefully things change.


Every one say "I" to have Gibbs call all the plays and fire AL

I think that we don't throw the wr screen as much now for several reasons. Firstly, it's not really part of Saunders' system. Secondly, Saunders I think used it when Brunell was the qb because he had trouble getting the ball to Moss and the other playmakers down field. JC doesn't have that problem.

But you have to admit the Screen passes to moss did work successfully and at this point it would right now.

I agree it's a good play. I was just trying to think of a reason why we don't run the play. I would like to see us run it a few times, not as often as when we did it with MB04 but it could still be an effective play for us.

I think Gibbs would love to call the O plays
I think that well be the key to make are O top 10 again.

[tribeofjudah]

Moss took himself out of the game in the third quarter. He was replaced by Keenan McCardell.

Moss took himself out .....according to the Official website:

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=30286

Moss is still a stud.......IMO... he needs to get healthy 100%

[ike075]

Why am I mentioning the rain so much?

Because I don't get this entire thread and crying that is going on. Sure they lost and it sucked and they could should of etc.

But I am willing to let the fumbles and drops slide becuase of how bad that field and rain was.

You want to know why the rain didn't effect GB? Because ST was catching or dropping Favre's passes.

Considering all this I am upset we lost but I am not upset after this game like everyone else is. I think it is silly to be calling for players and coaches heads after this game.

Yeah it rained and that was a good reason behind all the drop passes and why we lost IMO.

Just my

You are making a much bigger deal out of the rain than it actually was. The receivers just didn't show up to play. ey was catching everything thrown his way and I didn't see JC (who would be most affected by a wet ball) have any problems. He was on target with just about every pass that he threw. I also don't think that CP's fumble had anything to do with the rain. He was by himself against 4 defenders, covered the ball with both hands, but his shoulder down, and it looked like one of the defenders put his helmet right on the ball. That ball is more than likely coming out in any weather.

The ball was slick and I am not willing to sell out Moss as quickly as others are because of drop passes this week (although I have been concerned about previous week drop passes). ARE has been near perfect this season and he dropped one and well as some others and JC himself fumbled too. To call for Moss to be benched is a tad on the

[Redskin in Canada]

Portis, Moss and ARE were playing hurt. We have no OL to open up the running game. Jason is still taking too long to release the ball and he does not make all his reads. We should have had more interceptions.

And we still had a close game ??? Either we have a good defense, those Packers are overrated, or most likely both.

I am not feeling too good not only about today after all the injuries but about what today may mean for the next few games. Not a good day for sure.

Hail to the Redskins!!!