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VetSkinsFan wrote:Yeah, another pass that he "AMOLST CAUGHT." We can add that to the list with the int in MIA...

What a stupid comment.

He's on the scout team not practicing with Jason and you expect him to come into a game ice cold and make a circus catch? Our "#1" WR couldn't catch a pass with a bread basket at this point.

Cut the guy some slack...

He was wide open twice and Jason failed to make the accurate throw. PLUS!!!! PLUS Jason threw him another horrid pass short of the 1st day that Lloyd had to dive for and actually got it and tried to get back up for the 1st day.

Fios wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yeah, another pass that he "AMOLST CAUGHT." We can add that to the list with the int in MIA...

So weird that you would post that

AMOLST spelled right...

PulpExposure wrote:

Fios wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yeah, another pass that he "AMOLST CAUGHT." We can add that to the list with the int in MIA...

So weird that you would post that

AMOLST spelled right...

I just assumed it was a type of catch

Yeah yeah, and McCardell was signed on a Monday and caught passes on a Sunday. Lloyd's had almost a year's worth of games. Any other poor excuses for him?

If the worst that can be done is comments on my typo, then I guess there is nothing intelligent to dispute my comments with??!??

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yeah yeah, and McCardell was signed on a Monday and caught passes on a Sunday. Lloyd's had almost a year's worth of games. Any other poor excuses for him?

If the worst that can be done is comments on my typo, then I guess there is nothing intelligent to dispute my comments with??!??

How about Lloyd came closer on a 50 yard route than Santana Moss came to his jockstrap on Sunday. Moss couldn't catch a cold this season.

Any witty analogies to boot!! We're blessed today!!!!

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yeah yeah, and McCardell was signed on a Monday and caught passes on a Sunday. Lloyd's had almost a year's worth of games. Any other poor excuses for him?

If the worst that can be done is comments on my typo, then I guess there is nothing intelligent to dispute my comments with??!??

True or False: Does Jason Campbell regularly throw hard to catch passes to Lloyd?
- the over throw yesterday
- the under thrown pass yesterday that he did catch
- the overthrow in the endzone earlier in the season

True or False: Practicing with the QB increases your chances of him being able to hit you in stride?

Thats what it takes. He needs to put in extra hours out there with JC. He might, but I would think with Moss and ARE hurting right now, we need Thrash, Lloyd, Caldwell & McCardell out there running routes, getting timing down. The coaches need to learn that B Lloyd is talented and if its his personality they don't like, they are stuck with it for atleast this year. Get him out there in practice making plays. He is our best WR with those two guys hurt. Plain and simple

frankcal20 wrote:Thats what it takes. He needs to put in extra hours out there with JC. He might, but I would think with Moss and ARE hurting right now, we need Thrash, Lloyd, Caldwell & McCardell out there running routes, getting timing down. The coaches need to learn that B Lloyd is talented and if its his personality they don't like, they are stuck with it for atleast this year. Get him out there in practice making plays. He is our best WR with those two guys hurt. Plain and simple

Come on now. We've learned from the past that petty moral victories take precedence over winning games. (Lavar, Warrick Holdman over Rocky)

Redskin way or the highway... in this case the "Pineway". As a general rule of being a fan we are allowed 2 days of mourning a loss, so live it up, come wednesday let's all be positive.

SKINFAN wrote:Redskin way or the highway... in this case the "Pineway".

Oh no, let's not let Brandon veer us from our winning ways.

LMAO.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yeah yeah, and McCardell was signed on a Monday and caught passes on a Sunday. Lloyd's had almost a year's worth of games. Any other poor excuses for him?

If the worst that can be done is comments on my typo, then I guess there is nothing intelligent to dispute my comments with??!??

True or False: Does Jason Campbell regularly throw hard to catch passes to Lloyd?
- the over throw yesterday
- the under thrown pass yesterday that he did catch
- the overthrow in the endzone earlier in the season

True or False: Practicing with the QB increases your chances of him being able to hit you in stride?

Ok I'll bite!.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:True or False: Does Jason Campbell regularly throw hard to catch passes to Lloyd?
- the over throw yesterday

True. But still catchable. Would have been an outstanding catch if it was made!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:- the under thrown pass yesterday that he did catch

False. Was thrown where it had to be.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:[- the overthrow in the endzone earlier in the season

False! The pass was almost perfectly thrown. Lloyd needed to take another step before he jumped. Had he done that it would have been a TD.

Still I think Lloyd looks better out there, for the limited time he was on the field. I think he will have his first TD as a Skin, next Sunday.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yeah yeah, and McCardell was signed on a Monday and caught passes on a Sunday. Lloyd's had almost a year's worth of games. Any other poor excuses for him?

If the worst that can be done is comments on my typo, then I guess there is nothing intelligent to dispute my comments with??!?? ](*,)

True or False: Does Jason Campbell regularly throw hard to catch passes to Lloyd?
- the over throw yesterday
- the under thrown pass yesterday that he did catch
- the overthrow in the endzone earlier in the season

True or False: Practicing with the QB increases your chances of him being able to hit you in stride?

Ok I'll bite!.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:True or False: Does Jason Campbell regularly throw hard to catch passes to Lloyd?
- the over throw yesterday

True. But still catchable. Would have been an outstanding catch if it was made!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:- the under thrown pass yesterday that he did catch

False. Was thrown where it had to be.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:[- the overthrow in the endzone earlier in the season

False! The pass was almost perfectly thrown. Lloyd needed to take another step before he jumped. Had he done that it would have been a TD.

Still I think Lloyd looks better out there, for the limited time he was on the field. I think he will have his first TD as a Skin, next Sunday.

I'm hoping he's out there making TDs. More than anything, I hope its a game winning TD. I think that your argument could go the other way.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yeah yeah, and McCardell was signed on a Monday and caught passes on a Sunday. Lloyd's had almost a year's worth of games. Any other poor excuses for him?

If the worst that can be done is comments on my typo, then I guess there is nothing intelligent to dispute my comments with??!??

True or False: Does Jason Campbell regularly throw hard to catch passes to Lloyd?
- the over throw yesterday
- the under thrown pass yesterday that he did catch
- the overthrow in the endzone earlier in the season

True or False: Practicing with the QB increases your chances of him being able to hit you in stride?

And how does this affect someone who's been on the team for more than a full season MORESO than someone who's been on the team less than a week (or 2 wks of you wanna count both games)? There is a certain level of play that is expected regardless of reps with the QB. All I hear is belly aching and sorry freakin excuses for Lloyd. He's getting more chances than he has in the first few weeks (or the end of the season) and there's still belly aching. He's not doing anything significant. Until he starts catching those hard to catch balls, then he's still going to be the same old overpaid bust that he's been since he's been here. There's no way in hell that you can justify ALL THAT MONEY for potential that cannot be quantified on the field. Be realistic. With what chances he's had, he's shown nothing, I repeat, nothing to give him credibility here. Do I want him to perform? Yes, he's a large hit on the cap riding the pine. Do I have any faith in him based on his past experiences in B&G? No, I don't, and until he gives me reason to, I will continue not to.

VetSkinsFan wrote:And how does this affect someone who's been on the team for more than a full season MORESO than someone who's been on the team less than a week (or 2 wks of you wanna count both games)?

Jason Campbell. You know him right? Our NFL professional QB... He's stated SEVERAL times about not wanting to miss ANYTIME AT ALL (bye week) to keep the timing together. So according to our PROFESSIONAL QB, even 1 week can cause a drop off in timing.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Until he starts catching those hard to catch balls, then he's still going to be the same old overpaid bust that he's been since he's been here.

You're failing to understand. He's getting 0 reps in practice with the 1st string offense. They insert him in the game randomly and can't get him the ball in a decent position. Every catch he attempted ended up with his body stretched horizontally. Those catches AREN'T routine and aren't easy. It's not fair to expect someone to make those catches when you're not equipping him with the NEEDED TIME (according to Jason) to practice with the QB.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Do I have any faith in him based on his past experiences in B&G?

Dumb comment. What game did you see Sunday?

I saw a QB overthrow a wide open Brandon Lloyd for an sure TD that would have WON US THE GAME.

I saw a QB miss a wide open Brandon Lloyd on a post route in the 1st quarter of the game.

I saw a QB severely under-throw Brandon Lloyd and have the WR make an great effort to work his way back to the ball.

I saw a WR last week turn a 1 yard catch into a 9 yard gain last week.


That's not promise? That's not potential? If Jason had thrown better passes to Lloyd we'd have an additional 14 points on Sunday. I don't blame Jason, it's the coaches fault that Brandon is STILL on the scout team.

skinsfan#33 wrote:False! The pass was almost perfectly thrown. Lloyd needed to take another step before he jumped. Had he done that it would have been a TD.

No. Not the interception pass. Jason overthrow Lloyd way out of the endzone on ANOTHER POORLY THROWN PASS earlier in the season.


I personally don't give about Brandon Lloyd. What I care about is that we have a productive WR on the bench that has shown he could be a force on the field if given a FAIR amount of chances on the field. But our coaches are too stubborn, senile, and retarded to get over themselves and put the best WR's on the field.

Aside from Lloyd, I think Keenan should start over Thrash. Joe Gibbs has moved on from Brunell to Thrash.

Untill he gets more chances, Lloyd is not a bust. Someone saying that is purely speculative and opinionated.

On what basis can you say the Arch Deluxe was a bust. Because he couldn't cover? He wasn't broght in to cover. He's doing fine over in Chicago. This was a coaching mistake. But our pig headed defense coordinator couldn't admit he was used wrong and Arch took the blame for an entire season of us not being able to cover.

The reason this happens and the reason the Coaches get away with it is because of the fans. The fans that believe exactly what they want you to believe, which is they can do no wrong and its the players fault.

Im one who's not going to believe that when we have no proof whatsoever.

Why would someone put them self through months of every thing Lloyd did in the off season (gaining weight, the weight training, the eating almost enough to puke), if he was not dedicated to improving? That really shows he don't care, right?

BnGhog wrote:On what basis can you say the Arch Deluxe was a bust. Because he couldn't cover? He wasn't broght in to cover. He's doing fine over in Chicago. This was a coaching mistake. But our pig headed defense coordinator couldn't admit he was used wrong and Arch took the blame for an entire season of us not being able to cover.

The reason this happens and the reason the Coaches get away with it is because of the fans. The fans that believe exactly what they want you to believe, which is they can do no wrong and its the players fault.

Arch? Shoooot....

Who else saw David Patten going nutz on Monday night for the Saints?

What about WALT FREAKING HARRIS GOING TO THE PROBOWL IN SAN
FRAN!! Didn't he have 6+ interceptions for them?

Joe Gibbs could tell some of you that sky was orange and you'd defend it to your dieing breath.

Dumb comment. What game did you see Sunday?

I saw a QB overthrow a wide open Brandon Lloyd for an sure TD that would have WON US THE GAME.

I saw a QB miss a wide open Brandon Lloyd on a post route in the 1st quarter of the game.

I saw a QB severely under-throw Brandon Lloyd and have the WR make an great effort to work his way back to the ball.

I saw a WR last week turn a 1 yard catch into a 9 yard gain last week.


That's not promise? That's not potential? If Jason had thrown better passes to Lloyd we'd have an additional 14 points on Sunday. I don't blame Jason, it's the coaches fault that Brandon is STILL on the scout team.

It goes both ways though. Everyone saw Lloyd drop a sure td catch against Tampa Bay last year on JC's first NFL pass attempt. Lloyd was also the guy that got reprimanded for showing up his qb when he chucked his helmet against the Falcons and then threw a hissy fit on the sidelines. We all also saw Lloyd mistime his jump in the Dolphins game and then not try to catch up to the defender after the int.

CanesSkins26 wrote:It goes both ways though. Everyone saw Lloyd drop a sure td catch against Tampa Bay last year on JC's first NFL pass attempt. Lloyd was also the guy that got reprimanded for showing up his qb when he chucked his helmet against the Falcons and then threw a hissy fit on the sidelines. We all also saw Lloyd mistime his jump in the Dolphins game and then not try to catch up to the defender after the int.

2006 is over with. He was punished for what he did.
He was also punished for his lack of effort in the Dolphins game.

He deserved his punishment. But we need to move on. Let's get past it for the better of the team.

Teammates shouldn't need to beg to get a star on the field. Who begged for Lavar or Coles? Nobody. They want this cat on the field.

If Jason had some timing with Brandon, we would have won that game.

CanesSkins26 wrote:It goes both ways though. Everyone saw Lloyd drop a sure td catch against Tampa Bay last year on JC's first NFL pass attempt. Lloyd was also the guy that got reprimanded for showing up his qb when he chucked his helmet against the Falcons and then threw a hissy fit on the sidelines. We all also saw Lloyd mistime his jump in the Dolphins game and then not try to catch up to the defender after the int.

Good, those are the usual three things that you bring up. Now mention once again that Clinton Portis may have begun to imply on a radio call-in show that Lloyd perhaps wasn't working hard in practice, and your standard case against Lloyd will be complete. . . .

Irn-Bru wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:It goes both ways though. Everyone saw Lloyd drop a sure td catch against Tampa Bay last year on JC's first NFL pass attempt. Lloyd was also the guy that got reprimanded for showing up his qb when he chucked his helmet against the Falcons and then threw a hissy fit on the sidelines. We all also saw Lloyd mistime his jump in the Dolphins game and then not try to catch up to the defender after the int.

Good, those are the usual three things that you bring up. Now mention once again that Clinton Portis may have begun to imply on a radio call-in show that Lloyd perhaps wasn't working hard in practice, and your standard case against Lloyd will be complete. . . .

Which is why I have stopped discussing Mr Lloyd with Mr CanesSkins26.
Note how Lloyd has a weekly show and has yet to comment on how Portis practices, Oh wait I forgot Portis doesn't practice, just makes comments about it.

1niksder wrote:Oh wait I forgot Portis doesn't practice, just makes comments about it.

No, I distinctly remember reading a report that he practiced on back-to-back days for the first time this year(!) last week, 1nik. You've got it all wrong — and besides, Lloyd wasn't out there running a marathon after everyone else left the field. . .so he's clearly not practicing as hard as he could. . .

In all seriousness, I love Portis, I am hoping only the best for Lloyd, and yes I'm also trying to stay out of these conversations as much as possible. The case against Lloyd is WAY overblown, and I refuse to put down other players (Moss and Portis are this week's targets) to try and make Lloyd look better by comparison.

Well, then, in the case that we can't hold past experiences to a current player, then our offense needs to be fired. CP hasn't done jack this year, Betts has what, 2.3 or so yds/carry. ARE hasn't done jack on kick off returns, so lets pull him off of there, since we can't use previous years' performance in consideration of current players. Moss, we know that he had a record year for the skins, BUT, that was previously, which ois invalid. The only guy we should keep is Samuels.. wait, he didn't play pre-season, either, so fire him. I guess we're running with Kendall, Campbell, ey, and Thrash....

VetSkinsFan wrote:ARE hasn't done jack on kick off returns

Probably because Rock Cartwright is our KO return man.