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Brunell will have the last laugh......AGAIN.

The Hogster wrote:Brunell will have the last laugh......AGAIN.

BRUNELL FOR PRESIDENT!!!

Look how he laughs in the face of adversity. What you can't see in that picture is redeemed who is right underneath of the cameras view.

Portis crushing a LB...Brunell on the move to make a completion. Who says the old man can't elude?




SuperBowl Ring Casserole Ingredients:
The Gibbs Recipe

1 Heaping TBSP of Clinton Portis
1 Servings Santana Moss
2 Dashes of Randel El
5 Scoops of O-Line
2 Pinches Arculetta and Sean Taylor
1 Scoop Chris ey
1 Dosage of Andre Carter
1 Smash of Fauria
2 Servings Marcus Washington
2 Punches Griffin and Salevea
2 Pinches of Springs and Rogers
Mix Ingredients with Mark Brunell

Just Add Saunders and Stir!

The Hogster wrote:Portis crushing a LB...Brunell on the move to make a completion. Who says the old man can't elude?

I dont know but I've seen him scramble for some important 1st downs in 2005. If people want Mike Vick speed root for the Falcons.

this whole qb controversy is stupid anyway. gibbs first stint here he created a system that was so robust that it didnt matter who the qb was as long as turnovers were at a minimum. the same thing pertains to today save the fact that now we have a new coach in al saunders. if gibbs makes sure that al understands the importance of the gibbs basics and al follows those guidlines while still expanding the offensive threat i could care less who is the qb. between two vets and a capable newbie, ill be excited regardless.

in gibbs we trust.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Brunell will have the last laugh......AGAIN.

BRUNELL FOR PRESIDENT!!!

Look how he laughs in the face of adversity. What you can't see in that picture is redeemed who is right underneath of the cameras view.

That's the LAST time I put my pics in my PM Box!!!

Chris, your powers are limitless.

The Hogster wrote:I hate pessimists. Especially those who cry and moan without any facts or information to support their nervous breakdown.

We were 2 games from the Superbowl. Added Al Saunders and Jerry Gray to our staff. Got a Pass Rushing DE. Signed not one but TWO good receivers. Added a proven TE. Added a hard hitting Safety.
We have a 6 foot 4 230 lb, mobile and accurate QB waiting in the wings, and the draft coming up.

ALL YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IS NEGATIVE CRAP???

Boooo to all of you....Brunell played well with one reciever last year. This year we have more weapons and an effecive scheme and all you people do is moan and whine about Brunell.

He shut your traps last year and he will do it again this year. If not, Campbell will prove why Gibbs was a genius for drafting him. What the heck is there to be crying and complaining about?

Gibbs is not going to play Campbell just because some anxious non-athlete wants to see Campbell give it a whirl. Get your popcorn ready for the pre-season, you will see him play then. If Brunell gets hurt, you'll see him play then. If not, next year.

Quit acting frantic...about 25 teams in the NFL would love to have our situation at QB.

I aint crying and complaining I love the Skins and was happy with last season. I just dont think Brunell is the answer. You cant tell me that he is the best Qb on our squad. I only want whats best for the skins and Brunell is not that. He is a fumble waiting to happen he also has a weak arm. Make no mistake about it I am happy with what the skins are doing. Duhhh...Gibbs is a genious that dosent mean I have to agree with every move he makes. I just cant stand a mediocre Qb. I strive for excellence not mediocrity.

HEROHAMO wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I hate pessimists. Especially those who cry and moan without any facts or information to support their nervous breakdown.

We were 2 games from the Superbowl. Added Al Saunders and Jerry Gray to our staff. Got a Pass Rushing DE. Signed not one but TWO good receivers. Added a proven TE. Added a hard hitting Safety.
We have a 6 foot 4 230 lb, mobile and accurate QB waiting in the wings, and the draft coming up.

ALL YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IS NEGATIVE CRAP???

Boooo to all of you....Brunell played well with one reciever last year. This year we have more weapons and an effecive scheme and all you people do is moan and whine about Brunell.

He shut your traps last year and he will do it again this year. If not, Campbell will prove why Gibbs was a genius for drafting him. What the heck is there to be crying and complaining about?

Gibbs is not going to play Campbell just because some anxious non-athlete wants to see Campbell give it a whirl. Get your popcorn ready for the pre-season, you will see him play then. If Brunell gets hurt, you'll see him play then. If not, next year.

Quit acting frantic...about 25 teams in the NFL would love to have our situation at QB.

I aint crying and complaining I love the Skins and was happy with last season. I just dont think Brunell is the answer. You cant tell me that he is the best Qb on our squad. I only want whats best for the skins and Brunell is not that. He is a fumble waiting to happen he also has a weak arm. Make no mistake about it I am happy with what the skins are doing. Duhhh...Gibbs is a genious that dosent mean I have to agree with every move he makes. I just cant stand a mediocre Qb. I strive for excellence not mediocrity.

You just made a bold faced, unsubstantiated statement. You just said that " I can't tell you Brunell is the best QB on our team". Okay, "Can you tell me that he isn't"? NO

Listen dude, you are not striving for excellence, you are being irrational. Brunell played well enough to win a Superbowl last year, we need a TEAM around him that is capable of carrying the load when he struggles. We didn't have that last year. Rothlesberger looked terrible for most of the Superbowl but his team was good enough to carry the team anyway.

Last year we were close, this year we have a more rounded team that can beat you in more ways than we could last year. Just listen to Santana Moss who said in an interview today that Mark did a great job. Mark Brunnel should have made the Pro Bowl last year. He had a better year than Jake Delhomme. What the heck do you want...John Elway???

Be realistic...Jason Campbell will play WHEN HE GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN.

Gibbs knows better than you when that will be.

The Hogster wrote: Mark Brunnel should have made the Pro Bowl last year. He had a better year than Jake Delhomme.

Let's see, Delhomme had more yards, more yards per attempt, a higher completion percentage, more TD's, a higher passer rating, and a better overall record as a starter. He also took his team deeper in the playoffs. But Brunell had a better year?

Mursilis wrote:

The Hogster wrote: Mark Brunnel should have made the Pro Bowl last year. He had a better year than Jake Delhomme.

Let's see, Delhomme had more yards, more yards per attempt, a higher completion percentage, more TD's, a higher passer rating, and a better overall record as a starter. He also took his team deeper in the playoffs. But Brunell had a better year?

Okay, now we're just nitpicking here.

Let's just let the guys play it out. The best QB (in Joe and his paid staff's estimation) will be under center come opening day. Period.

I mispoke, I meant that he had a better year than Micheal Vick.

Delhomme and Hasselbeck had statistically better years, but Brunell should have went to the Pro-Bowl in the third slot.

Either way...his numbers were only marginally lower than Delhomme's and he outclassed Delhomme against the Seattle Seahawks defense in the playoffs.

The Hogster wrote:I mispoke, I meant that he had a better year than Micheal Vick.

Delhomme and Hasselbeck had statistically better years, but Brunell should have went to the Pro-Bowl in the third slot.

Either way...his numbers were only marginally lower than Delhomme's and he outclassed Delhomme against the Seattle Seahawks defense in the playoffs.

Brunell shouldn't have gone to the pro-bowl. Good year maybe but not with all those fumbles, which they don't inlcude passing efficancy rating. They don't include scrambling yds. which Vick probably killed him on also. Thats bias homer talk.

The Hogster wrote:I mispoke, I meant that he had a better year than Micheal Vick.

OK, on that we'd agree - Vick is just a product of the hype machine. He's great if you want to put together a nice highlights reel, but as a QB, he's mediocre. Still, he's ever going to be a threat as a passer, they've got to get him more than Alge Crumpler in the supporting staff.

John Manfreda wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I mispoke, I meant that he had a better year than Micheal Vick.

Delhomme and Hasselbeck had statistically better years, but Brunell should have went to the Pro-Bowl in the third slot.

Either way...his numbers were only marginally lower than Delhomme's and he outclassed Delhomme against the Seattle Seahawks defense in the playoffs.

Brunell shouldn't have gone to the pro-bowl. Good year maybe but not with all those fumbles, which they don't inlcude passing efficancy rating. They don't include scrambling yds. which Vick probably killed him on also. Thats bias homer talk.

Uh, it's not biased homer talk. I went to high school with Michael Vick, he's from my 'hometown', and I love his game. But last year, Brunell deserved to go.

Had Culpepper and McNabb been healthy there's no way this is even a discussion, but many people thought that Brunell deserved it when you look at what he did for his team.

Brunell, Hasselbeck, and Delhome lead their teams to at least the second round of the playoffs. The Falcons missed the playoffs entirely.

In the grand scheme of things, there is a strong argument that he could have been selected. You my friend just seem to post random BS without knowing anything about where I am coming from.

The Hogster wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I hate pessimists. Especially those who cry and moan without any facts or information to support their nervous breakdown.

We were 2 games from the Superbowl. Added Al Saunders and Jerry Gray to our staff. Got a Pass Rushing DE. Signed not one but TWO good receivers. Added a proven TE. Added a hard hitting Safety.
We have a 6 foot 4 230 lb, mobile and accurate QB waiting in the wings, and the draft coming up.

ALL YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IS NEGATIVE CRAP???

Boooo to all of you....Brunell played well with one reciever last year. This year we have more weapons and an effecive scheme and all you people do is moan and whine about Brunell.

He shut your traps last year and he will do it again this year. If not, Campbell will prove why Gibbs was a genius for drafting him. What the heck is there to be crying and complaining about?

Gibbs is not going to play Campbell just because some anxious non-athlete wants to see Campbell give it a whirl. Get your popcorn ready for the pre-season, you will see him play then. If Brunell gets hurt, you'll see him play then. If not, next year.

Quit acting frantic...about 25 teams in the NFL would love to have our situation at QB.

I aint crying and complaining I love the Skins and was happy with last season. I just dont think Brunell is the answer. You cant tell me that he is the best Qb on our squad. I only want whats best for the skins and Brunell is not that. He is a fumble waiting to happen he also has a weak arm. Make no mistake about it I am happy with what the skins are doing. Duhhh...Gibbs is a genious that dosent mean I have to agree with every move he makes. I just cant stand a mediocre Qb. I strive for excellence not mediocrity.

You just made a bold faced, unsubstantiated statement. You just said that " I can't tell you Brunell is the best QB on our team". Okay, "Can you tell me that he isn't"? NO

Listen dude, you are not striving for excellence, you are being irrational. Brunell played well enough to win a Superbowl last year, we need a TEAM around him that is capable of carrying the load when he struggles. We didn't have that last year. Rothlesberger looked terrible for most of the Superbowl but his team was good enough to carry the team anyway.

Last year we were close, this year we have a more rounded team that can beat you in more ways than we could last year. Just listen to Santana Moss who said in an interview today that Mark did a great job. Mark Brunnel should have made the Pro Bowl last year. He had a better year than Jake Delhomme. What the heck do you want...John Elway???

Be realistic...Jason Campbell will play WHEN HE GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN.

Gibbs knows better than you when that will be.

"What the heck do I want John Elway". Actually yes I want that type of caliber. I see that potential in Campbell. Rothlesburger made some amazing plays for his team the whole season. That tackle in Indy that saved the game. He also was outstanding in the game versus Cincy and Indy. Brunell is well past his prime so you cannot compare a young Rothlesberger to an old aging Brunell. We made the playoffs last year and Brunell had plenty of oppurtunity to show his stuff and just like the past he fell short. How many times has he been to the playoffs and just choked numerous times with the Jaguars and with the Jags he had stellar recievers. I believe Jason Campbell should get the oppurtunity to at least compete for the starting spot. Irrational I am only being realistic.

Only one team can win the Superbowl. Brunell hasn't choked. He played for the expansion Jaguars and took them to the AFC Championship game.

Whatever dude...you're impatient. Cambell is the QB for the future, the future could come next year, or this year, but right now Brunell is the starter. He deserves to be, and we can win with him.

Quit complaining.

The Hogster wrote:Either way...his numbers were only marginally lower than Delhomme's and he outclassed Delhomme against the Seattle Seahawks defense in the playoffs.

that is not correct. brunell was Absolutely Terrible against the seahawks in the playoffs. he hit a few big plays toward the end that padded his stats, but the game was already out of hand. the stats don't tell the story. i have the game on tape and brunell was cover-your-eyes awful.

die cowboys die wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Either way...his numbers were only marginally lower than Delhomme's and he outclassed Delhomme against the Seattle Seahawks defense in the playoffs.

that is not correct. brunell was Absolutely Terrible against the seahawks in the playoffs. he hit a few big plays toward the end that padded his stats, but the game was already out of hand. the stats don't tell the story. i have the game on tape and brunell was cover-your-eyes awful.

Brunell was so bad in the playoffs, that I think the USPTO has granted him a registered trade mark on the phrase Absolutely Terrible.

Still, he was great early in the season last year, and hopefully Jason will be ready if he falters again (or gets hurt).

The Hogster wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I mispoke, I meant that he had a better year than Micheal Vick.

Delhomme and Hasselbeck had statistically better years, but Brunell should have went to the Pro-Bowl in the third slot.

Either way...his numbers were only marginally lower than Delhomme's and he outclassed Delhomme against the Seattle Seahawks defense in the playoffs.

Brunell shouldn't have gone to the pro-bowl. Good year maybe but not with all those fumbles, which they don't inlcude passing efficancy rating. They don't include scrambling yds. which Vick probably killed him on also. Thats bias homer talk.

Uh, it's not biased homer talk. I went to high school with Michael Vick, he's from my 'hometown', and I love his game. But last year, Brunell deserved to go.

Had Culpepper and McNabb been healthy there's no way this is even a discussion, but many people thought that Brunell deserved it when you look at what he did for his team.

Brunell, Hasselbeck, and Delhome lead their teams to at least the second round of the playoffs. The Falcons missed the playoffs entirely.

In the grand scheme of things, there is a strong argument that he could have been selected. You my friend just seem to post random BS without knowing anything about where I am coming from.

It doesn't matter were your coming from there players from my hometown like Dhani Jones and I don't care about him, Shawn Springs is from my hometown and i didn't care about him until he was on the Skins. Brunell did not deserve to go to the probowl he started off strong but to be a pro bowler you must be consistent and he did falter at the end of the season. When I say homer talk I mean home NFL team not were your from. A person from Flordia can be a homer if his favorite team is the Skins. When you say many people thought he deserved to go you say Redskins fans, not many people. I don't know anyone that is not a Skins fan that thought Brunell deserved to go to the pro bowl.

The guys on ESPN(NFL Primetime I think) said they thought either Brunell or Bledsoe should have gone.

Blaming MB for our playoff loss is retarded, plain and simple. Regardless of how anyone here feels about him, he's still our starter and I find immense pleasure in the fact that it pisses a lot of you off.

The Hogster wrote:Only one team can win the Superbowl. Brunell hasn't choked. He played for the expansion Jaguars and took them to the AFC Championship game.

Somehow, I think if Mark Brunell was still just 26 like he was in 1996 nobody would be complaining.

I don't have a real problem with Brunell starting, although I think the Redskins would be foolish to not try to get Campbell as many reps as possible during the season.

I just hope that Gibbs will be willing to pull the trigger if Brunell gets beat up and starts playing poorly.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Only one team can win the Superbowl. Brunell hasn't choked. He played for the expansion Jaguars and took them to the AFC Championship game.

Somehow, I think if Mark Brunell was still just 26 like he was in 1996 nobody would be complaining.

I don't have a real problem with Brunell starting, although I think the Redskins would be foolish to not try to get Campbell as many reps as possible during the season.

I just hope that Gibbs will be willing to pull the trigger if Brunell gets beat up and starts playing poorly.

I feel mostly the way you do. I feel that JC needs to be in the game WHENEVER possible.

We're up 28-14 in the 4th qtr, Jason needs to be put in there with a vanilla offense. Nothing complicated but stuff to boast his confidence.

Brunell gets hurt badly? Jason should play until Brunell is back to 100%. However if Jason is playing as well as Brunell or better than it gets kinda sticky.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Brunell gets hurt badly? Jason should play until Brunell is back to 100%.

Right, but what if Brunell get nicked up and his only playing at 95%? 85%? 55%? Where is the tipping point?

I guess we'll find out in preseason, but judging by the way Gibbs has handled Brunell thus far, Brunell will probably have to play pretty bad for an extended period of time before he gets yanked.

I guess we'll find out in preseason, but judging by the way Gibbs has handled Brunell thus far, Brunell will probably have to play pretty bad for an extended period of time before he gets yanked.

And justifiably so.

Brunell is the best QB on this team, and on the team the previous two easons, as well.

It was plain to anyone who watched -- including anyone who saw the Seahawks playoff. Brunell saw his receivers, made his decisions, and threw as well at the end of the year as at the beginning. The Redskins played the Seahawks with one receiver. One. ey releases floats into empty space, but he doesn't beat defenders. One receiver.

Why else do you think the team got Randle El and Lloyd?

Reaching back, and consider the four-game playoffs that ended with SB17. The Redskins had the best regular season record, but no smart sports entertainers gave them a chance. Why? Because Art Monk broke a toe in the last game (= out), and Joe Washington had hurt his knee (= limited use). They concluded that no team could win with only one WR and a grind-down running game. Consider that an indication of just how much the Hogs and Riggins accomplished -- how much they overpowered evryone. And that was unique.

Don't play games with statistics. They are illusions. Count the wins. Watch the game.

You want comparisons? Brunell is just as tough as Billy Kilmer, he's more mobile, and he throws much better. Kilmer had great receivers: Taylor, Jefferson, Smith, Brown (yes, LB was a dynamite receiver out of the backfield).

Gibbs has gotten more receivers. None of them match Taylor, but Moss and the rest are not too shabby.