Who's getting kicked off the bandwagon?

[redskins56]

Everyone post names of those who have been bashing Gibbs!

1. Die cowboys Die

That's stupid. Gibbs didn't run past Roy Williams to make the catch, or deliver the ball in stride and on the money. His offense was terrible again, and we had no business losing. We were outcoached and outplayed for 55 minutes.

This is rediculous.

[redskins56]

Everyone post names of those who have been bashing Gibbs!

1. Die cowboys Die

That's stupid. Gibbs didn't run past Roy Williams to make the catch, or deliver the ball in stride and on the money. His offense was terrible again, and we had no business losing. We were outcoached and outplayed for 55 minutes.

This is as rediculous as Tim Hasselbeck's hair line.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Everyone post names of those who have been bashing Gibbs!

1. Die cowboys Die

That's stupid. Gibbs didn't run past Roy Williams to make the catch, or deliver the ball in stride and on the money. His offense was terrible again, and we had no business losing. We were outcoached and outplayed for 55 minutes.

This is rediculous.

No, what is ridiculous is saying that Gibbs should be fired.

What is ridiculous is wanting to fire the ONLY continuity that we have here.

What is ridiculous is wanting to continue the coach carousel.

Thats ridiculous.

[georgiaredskin]

The Hogster wrote:

Butt kissers are those of you who have a man crush on Ramsey...otherwise you wouldn't have your feelings hurt about him being benched.

I don't care if we put Brian Mitchell at QB if we win that is all that matters. Ramsey benched himself. He is an interception machine. He has to be the most loved, bad quarterback in history.

VERY WELL PUT.

[frankcal20]

I think that was rediculous the move Moss put on the db for both TD's.

[cvillehog]

I think that was rediculous the move Moss put on the db for both TD's.

Just as good was the move Brunell put on a defender during his 25 yard scamper. Check ou the highlights on NFL.com, it was sweet!

[SkinsJock]

And we get a long two weeks to work on improving our offensive chemistry.

Now, now Hogster! I hope that the "offensive chemistry" is team oriented and not a play on words.



But seriously. I think this bye week coupled with this incredible win could be a catalyst or a springboard effect for the team and the coaches. This could be the start of a turnaround in the way the offensive unit schemes and plays the rest of the season.

As the Hogster points out - we have 2 weeks to get things ready for the rest of this season and coming of this very uplifting performance this could be a huge upside for this team.

Now is the time for everybody to get back on board the bus and enjoy the ride. Too many of us have been looking at a lot of the "evidence" in a negative way. Let's get behind our team and look for the positives. Who would have given this group a chance at 5 minutes AND against that team IN DALLASS? It's time to rock the cradle of the NFL!

[frankcal20]

Yeah, that was fun to relive for a second.

[die cowboys die]

The Hogster wrote:

Butt kissers are those of you who have a man crush on Ramsey...otherwise you wouldn't have your feelings hurt about him being benched.

I don't care if we put Brian Mitchell at QB if we win that is all that matters. Ramsey benched himself. He is an interception machine. He has to be the most loved, bad quarterback in history.

VERY WELL PUT.

yeah, that was chock full of facts that supported his position. there's no way anyone could argue against any of it!

all fans make their decisions based on one factor: what they feel gives them the best chance to win. period! if someone wants a certain QB to play, it is because they think he gives us a better chance to win. you are free to disagree, and debate that. but it is utterly asinine to resort to homophobic intimations ("man crush on ramsey", etc). with statements like that, all you do is announce to the intelligent members of the board that your posts are not worth consideration.

[die cowboys die]

Now is the time for everybody to get back on board the bus and enjoy the ride. Too many of us have been looking at a lot of the "evidence" in a negative way. Let's get behind our team and look for the positives. Who would have given this group a chance at 5 minutes AND against that team IN DALLASS? It's time to rock the cradle of the NFL!

we definitely deserve to rejoice over the last 5 minutes, especially since we have time with the bye week. but, there is no way we will go beyond 6-10 or so if we play 55 minutes of football that bad every week.

i agree though we now have some positives to build on, clearly. hopefully we can work a little more of what we saw in the last 5 minutes into the FIRST 5 minutes (or ANY of the first 55!) of the next game.

the way i see it, we tried to go deep what, 5 to 7 times in the game? and we finally hooked up 2 of those times. well, how about we go deep 5 or 6 times each half?

[Irn-Bru]

well, how about we go deep 5 or 6 times each half?

Because we don't need to in order to win.

[crazyhorse1]

Ok, anyone who wasn't totally depressed and or furious during the vast majority of the game, stand up in this thread and say so, and then you can go around determining who is and isn't allowed to be a fan.

DCD posted a thread in the midst of a HORRID performance, YET AGAIN, by the offense.

After the result, he appologized, but pointed out that we still have some serious problems wto address on offense (like, oh, I don't know, the frist 55 minutes of the game when we couldn't do anything but punt and turn the ball over!).

Give a guy a break.

I admit to being suicidal and willing to dig a hole for Gibbs with a spoon for 55 minutes of the game. I just hope I don't feel the same way for 60 minutes the next time out.

[crazyhorse1]

Ill be real with you. Ive stated plenty of times that I have no ill will between Brunell or Ramsey at this point...

However, I dont believe Ramsey has the poise to have led a comeback such as that.

We'll never know for sure but thats just my opinion.

Ramsey wouldn't have had to lead a comeback.

[crazyhorse1]

No skins fan can watch that first 55 minutes and not be frustrated.

No kidding. People around here have short memories. I'd like to see the offense light it for four quarters instead of 4 minutes for a change. I'm totally thrilled with 2-0, but Spurrier started 2-0 in '03 before finishing 5-11!! Still, it's a great start, and I'll take close wins over last year's close loses any day.

Frankly, if we stick with Brunell and he throws 2 long TD's passes at the end of every game, I think we have a good chance of improving to at least 8 and 8...if he can hold it down to one interception and only three or four sacks.

[crazyhorse1]

Nobody I've seen has been "anti" Redskin here - except for the trolls. Last night didn't prove anything about Brunell to me. If it did for you - congratulations. To me, he's still the 3rd best QB on the team. I'll take a win any way I can get it. We got this one because the defense knocked snot bubbles outta the Boys all night long to keep us in the game. We made a couple of plays at the end...and THAT'S GREAT! Fan and butt-kisser are two entirely different things.

Amen. The defense is the A student. The offense is the F student you're getting excited about because he made a D. This offense and Brunell have a lot of improving to do. In truth, they're bad.

[redskingush]

Im quite certain all , well most of us Redskins fans here are looking for an offence that can move the ball consisitently. I mean for my self i would like to see first downs, 30, 40, 8 plays 62 yards, stuff like that, i will even take no points, I would like to know that we can move the ball, points will come with the movement, not 3 and out, 3 and out, int, int , punt , fumble, like weve been seeing the last 2 years.

[die cowboys die]

Nobody I've seen has been "anti" Redskin here - except for the trolls. Last night didn't prove anything about Brunell to me. If it did for you - congratulations. To me, he's still the 3rd best QB on the team. I'll take a win any way I can get it. We got this one because the defense knocked snot bubbles outta the Boys all night long to keep us in the game. We made a couple of plays at the end...and THAT'S GREAT! Fan and butt-kisser are two entirely different things.

Amen. The defense is the A student. The offense is the F student you're getting excited about because he made a D. This offense and Brunell have a lot of improving to do. In truth, they're bad.

well said, crazyhorse! i think i am going to have to consult a mental health professional now that i find myself agreeing with you pretty often.

[SkinsJock]

... but, there is no way we will go beyond 6-10 or so if we play 55 minutes of football that bad every week.... how about we go deep 5 or 6 times each half?

dcd - i agree with part of your thinking here but the game is 60 minutes and really it does not matter if you stink up every game for 55 minutes as long as the team is still in the game as we were (in spite of our offense). We won because our team played to win and the very stupid pukes (& their fat coach) played not to lose. How can you let Moss get behind you? Did you see at the end - we had 3 guys inside the 10 yard line? At the same time Greg was still trying to put pressure on the QB. There have been a number of times we have played not to lose - I hate prevent defenses!



I also think that sometime this past offseason Gibbs indicated that he wanted to try some deeper routes but he thought something like 5-6 times a game was plenty. Maybe we should be more aggressive but I think they will make the right decisions and IMO we owe him that at the very least.

like we all know - we got work to do but the real thing here is these are the players we have and these guys together with these coaches are good enough IMO to be in the playoffs. We do not need to play any better than we are capable of we just do not need to make mistakes that give the other team a better chance at beating us. IMO we need to trust that Gibbs will put the players on the field that give our team the best chance to win.

Gibbs needs our support and IMO we owe him more time and we should not be questioning him at this stage.

Hey! its all good for the Redskin faithful - we are 2 - 0 and going into a bye week. We are not a very good team but we all knew that BUT we are a lot better than most of the other teams.

HAIL

[The Hogster]

The Hogster wrote:

Butt kissers are those of you who have a man crush on Ramsey...otherwise you wouldn't have your feelings hurt about him being benched.

I don't care if we put Brian Mitchell at QB if we win that is all that matters. Ramsey benched himself. He is an interception machine. He has to be the most loved, bad quarterback in history.

VERY WELL PUT.

yeah, that was chock full of facts that supported his position. there's no way anyone could argue against any of it!

all fans make their decisions based on one factor: what they feel gives them the best chance to win. period! if someone wants a certain QB to play, it is because they think he gives us a better chance to win. you are free to disagree, and debate that. but it is utterly asinine to resort to homophobic intimations ("man crush on ramsey", etc). with statements like that, all you do is announce to the intelligent members of the board that your posts are not worth consideration.

Okay Die Cowboys, I will tear up your negative argument one time and one time only. After this, let Ramsey go..okay. You want facts to support his benching? You don't think he got the 'fair chance'...I disagree.

1. Gibbs watched Ramsey's film when he came back, there was inconsistency that he didn't like and besides, Gibbs wanted to bring in a veteran qb, so he brings in Brunnell.

2. Ramsey and Brunnell got equal playing time in the 2004 preseason. Ramsey played like crap. Brunnell named the starter.

3. We go out and win game one. We are playing the Giants in a close (fumble packed game), then Brunnell damages his hamstring. Ramsey comes into the game and throws 3 interceptions in just one half.

4. Brunnell's hamstring is "black and blue" according to Gibbs but he says he can play. Ramsey has ruined any confidence Gibbs had built up in him with the 3 ints, so Brunnell gets the start against the boys.

5. In a loss, Brunnell has his best game. 325yds 2 TD's. In a game that many of us thought we should have won.

6. Whether hurt or not, Brunnell stank it up for the next 6 weeks. I won't make the excuse that he was hurting, he played poorly and the offense sputtered. He was benched like he should have been.

7. Ramsey comes in as the starter, and plays better than Brunnell, but still plays poorly. ** This is what I think you haven't seen. Ramsey was the 28th rated passer in the league last season. There were only 4 players rated lower and Brunnell was one of them. But Ramsey did not play well at all.

8. Ramsey went out in the last 7 games and threw another 8 interceptions including the bad one we saw against the Eagles. So over the season he threw 11 ints in just about 7 1/2 games. Not a very good ratio if you want to WIN GAMES.

9. Gibbs declared Ramsey the starter, but you had to have known he wasn't content with him. Why else would we trade two 1st round picks for another quarterback. This was not because no one likes the kid, he is just not all that good right now.

10. Gibbs gives Ramsey all of the offseason work, and brings in better receivers. Listening to the press conferences, Im sure the whole team was stressing protecting the football, minimizing mistakes.

11. Preseason, Ramsey plays with starters and offense sputters. He throws 5 interceptions, some leading to scores in a little over 4 quarters of preseason play. No excuse, playing with starters.

12. Ramsey starts the Bears game, and his first three drives end in turnovers by him. One interception, and two fumbles. The first fumble was recovered by Jansen, and the second was on the clothesline...which wasn't 'his fault' but see a pattern there.

HE HAD HIS CHANCE. Get over Ramsey, okay!! Gibbs sees it, the rest of America sees it outside of our fans who refuse to admit that he is not that good.

[Scooter]

OK, so in summation...
We're all happy with the win - we're 2-0, leading the division. We hung a loss on the pukes in their own toilet bowl of a stadium... on Ring of Honor Night and we did it to them in heart ripping fashion.
Who cares if our third string QB is playing ahead of the other two guys... right?
Hey, I'm glad that a Gibbs fart smells like roses to some people - knock yourself out bubba! But those of us that state an opinion won't sit quiety through the homerisms. Don't pretend that your opinion is entirely sufficient and I'll do the same - deal?

[SkinsJock]

and for further summary ... boy the truth really is pissing off some of our more knowlegeable fans (at least in their own minds)! The proof is in the pudding so to speak and we are trying (some of us) to move on. Gibbs is the coach and most of us think he is doing an okay job. He has some issues but he needs time (at least a couple of weeks) to get things done.



geepz - we have a sniffer in our midst!

[The Hogster]

I have been trying to encourage people to leave the Ramsey thing alone, if you look back at my posts you will see that.

But everytime I persue the threads, I see the Ramsey disciples quoting me all over the place, claiming that my opinion that Ramsey should have been benched is not supported by any facts.

I have a right to an opinion just like everyone else, no? And don't get me wrong, I don't think Gibbs is omnipotent, I just choose to let his decision play out before I call it stupid, or doom the season.

There is a differnce between critical and proclaiming the sky is falling.

[cvillehog]

I have been trying to encourage people to leave the Ramsey thing alone, if you look back at my posts you will see that.

But everytime I persue the threads, I see the Ramsey disciples quoting me all over the place, claiming that my opinion that Ramsey should have been benched is not supported by any facts.

I have a right to an opinion just like everyone else, no?

Wait, which is it? Were you leaving it alone? Or were you saying things which were being quoted?

[The Hogster]

I have been trying to encourage people to leave the Ramsey thing alone, if you look back at my posts you will see that.

But everytime I persue the threads, I see the Ramsey disciples quoting me all over the place, claiming that my opinion that Ramsey should have been benched is not supported by any facts.

I have a right to an opinion just like everyone else, no?

Wait, which is it? Were you leaving it alone? Or were you saying things which were being quoted?

My point exactly.

[cvillehog]

I have been trying to encourage people to leave the Ramsey thing alone, if you look back at my posts you will see that.

But everytime I persue the threads, I see the Ramsey disciples quoting me all over the place, claiming that my opinion that Ramsey should have been benched is not supported by any facts.

I have a right to an opinion just like everyone else, no?

Wait, which is it? Were you leaving it alone? Or were you saying things which were being quoted?

My point exactly.

What point?